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Jul 31, 2025 • 15min
Race Conversations at Harding (Feat. Orpheus Heyward)
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Today's episode will help us explore the conviction about God's word that guides us towards unity within the restoration movement.
Orpheus Heyward emphasizes the importance of unity in the Restoration Movement, grounded in the belief that Jesus Christ and Scripture serve as the final authority. Key points include handling the word of God with integrity, recognizing and managing biases in interpreting Scripture, and understanding the role of preachers. Orpheus Heyward discusses the historical context and significance of specific biblical passages, such as 2 Timothy 3:16 and Acts 2:42. An anecdote about cooperation between Churches of Christ and the Christian Church highlights the need to focus on core doctrines rather than divisive issues like instrumental music in worship. The speaker advocates for scriptural integrity and not letting personal or traditional biases hinder fellowship among believers.

Jul 29, 2025 • 11min
Why Harding Hosted a Gathering of 40 leaders (feat. Mike Williams)
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Today’s episode will help us understand the importance of starting a new restoration movement, the impact of university choices on young adults' lives, and the necessity to overcome sectarianism for a united revolutionary effort.
Mike Williams reflects on a previous speech given two years ago about initiating a new restoration movement at Harding University. He discusses the need for a renewed movement inspired by revolutionary change rather than traditional methods, highlighting the shortcomings of current approaches to keep youth engaged with the church. The speaker addresses the importance of the 'defining decade' in young adults' lives, emphasizing the role of faith-based higher education in shaping future leaders and revolutionaries. Personal anecdotes and larger calls for ecumenical unity underscore the urgency of abandoning sectarianism and fostering a dynamic, engaged faith community.

Jul 22, 2025 • 45min
Bridge-Building Conversations: A Conversation with Susanna Johansson on Scientology and Christianity
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Today’s episode will help us understand the core beliefs and common misconceptions about Scientology, while fostering interfaith dialogue and cooperation between Scientologists and Christians.
Exploring Scientology: An Interview with Susanna Johansson.
Join Daniel McCoy, editorial director at Renew.org, and Dyron a World Religions professor at Pepperdine University, as they engage in a fascinating conversation with Susanna Kane, Director of Public Affairs for the Church of Scientology in Western United States. This episode delves into various aspects of Scientology, including its history, beliefs, misconceptions, and similarities and differences with Christianity. Susanna shares her experiences and insights, emphasizing the importance of interfaith dialogue and understanding. Don't miss this insightful discussion aimed at fostering mutual respect and cooperation across different faiths.
Key Takeaways
00:00 Introduction and Malibu Life
02:43 Exploring Scientology: An Overview
08:31 Scientology vs. Christianity: Key Differences and Similarities
13:50 Interview with Susanna Kane: Insights from a Scientologist
24:31 Persecution and Misunderstanding of New Religions
25:09 The Evolution of Religious Movements
28:02 Understanding Christianity's Branches
31:06 Christianity's Cultural Integration
34:15 Personal Reflections on Religion
40:57 Interfaith Collaboration and Humanitarian Efforts
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Jul 15, 2025 • 53min
Bridge-Building Conversations: A Conversation with Dr. Ranjan Shah on Jainism and Christianity
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Today’s episode will help us gain a deeper understanding of Jainism through a comparative lens with Christianity, emphasizing mutual respect, theological insights, and personal experiences from devout practitioners.
Exploring Jainism: In-Depth Discussion with Dr. Ranjan Shah
Join Daniel McCoy and Dyron Daughrity as they dive into an enlightening conversation about Jainism with Dr. Ranjan Shah. This episode explores the fundamentals of Jainism, including its history, principles, and key figures. They discuss the similarities and differences between Jainism and Christianity, with special focus on concepts such as non-violence, karma, and salvation. Dr. Shah shares her personal experiences and offers insights on misconceptions about Jainism, promoting a deeper understanding and respect for different faith traditions.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:30 Teaching World Religions at Pepperdine
02:22 Overview of Jainism
08:16 Similarities and Differences with Christianity
11:09 Interview with Dr. Ranjan Shaw
17:13 Misconceptions and Practices in Jainism
26:19 Maha Vera and Jain Heroes
31:59 Jain Perspective on Christianity
39:48 The Christian Story: Creation, Sin, and Redemption
44:24 The Concept of Rebirth in Eastern Religions
46:30 Jesus as the Only Way to Salvation
51:19 Faith, Works, and Grace in Christianity
53:47 Respect and Hospitality Between Religions
55:57 Forgiveness and Grace: The Christian Perspective
01:03:45 Final Thoughts and Mutual Respect

Jul 8, 2025 • 41min
Bridge-Building Conversations: A Conversation with Gajinder Shah Singh on Sikhism and Christianity
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Today’s episode will help us gain a comprehensive understanding of Sikhism, highlighting its core beliefs, practices, history, and shared human values of hospitality and truth while promoting interfaith dialogue and mutual understanding.
Exploring Sikhism: Insights with Gajinder Shah Singh and Dyron Daughrity
Join Daniel McCoy, editorial director for renew.org, and his friend Dyron Daughrity as they discuss Sikhism with Gajinder Shah Singh. In this episode, Dyron shares details about his upcoming research trips to Rome, New York City, and Crete, while the conversation with Gagen delves into the principles of Sikhism, the importance of the Gajinder Shah Singh , and the five Ks that guide Sikhs in their daily lives. Additionally, they discuss common misconceptions about Sikhism in the West and how Christians can foster better understanding and hospitality towards the Sikh community. This episode offers a comprehensive look at Sikh history, beliefs, and practices, making it an enlightening experience for anyone interested in world religions.
00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Trips
01:20 Exploring Sikhism: Origins and Beliefs
06:26 The Five Ks of Sikhism
09:05 Similarities and Differences with Christianity
12:51 Welcoming Mr. Singh
14:50 Mr. Singh's Background and Journey
23:16 Historical and Cultural Insights
26:38 Common Misconceptions in the West
27:47 Sikh Migration and Independence Movement
29:00 The Role of Sikhs in India's Independence
30:43 Personal Journey to the USA
31:01 Partition of India and Sikh State Aspirations
32:09 Cultural Diversity in India
33:23 Life in America and Community Integration
36:45 Health Challenges and Alternative Medicine
39:04 Sikhism and Interfaith Relations
47:57 Sikh Practices and Traditions
49:23 Encouraging Interfaith Dialogue
50:32 Invitation to Experience Sikh Hospitality
53:55 Concluding Remarks and Invitation
In this episode titled "Conversation About Sikhism," Daniel McCoy, editorial director for renew.org, and Dyron Daughrity, a professor at Pepperdine University, talk with Gajinder Shah Singh. The discussion broadly dives into Mr. Singh's background, Sikhism fundamentals, and common misconceptions about the religion.
The episode begins with Daniel McCoy introducing the podcast and the topic, followed by Dyron Daughrity sharing his upcoming travel plans related to religious conferences and research. The conversation transitions into discussing Sikhism when Daniel prompts Dyron Daughrity to explain this relatively young religion originating from India.
Gajinder Shah Singh shares his personal history, including his journey to the United States in 1971 and his work in Los Angeles. He elaborates on his family's long-standing connection to Sikhism, specifically through the contributions of his forefather to the construction of the Golden Temple. Mr. Singh emphasizes the importance of truth and morality in Sikh teachings and the role of Sikh gurus.
The conversation shifts to discuss the similarities and differences between Sikhism and Christianity. Daniel McCoy and Dyron Daughrity note that both religions emphasize a personal relationship with God. However, Christians focus on salvation and faith in Jesus Christ, whereas Sikhs emphasize following the "Five Ks" and living through the teachings in the Guru Granth Sahib. Mr. Singh acknowledges Jesus Christ as a significant religious figure who promoted truth and fought against sin, drawing comparisons to Sikh gurus who also advocated for righteous living.
The episode also explores common misconceptions about Sikhs, such as assumptions based on their appearance. Mr. Singh recounts instances of ignorance and highlights the importance of hospitality in Sikh culture. He points out that visiting a Gurdwara (Sikh temple) offers non-Sikhs insight into the Sikh way of life and provides opportunities for building interfaith understanding.
Dyron Daughrity further promotes interfaith dialogue by urging listeners to visit local Gurdwaras and experience the welcoming nature and communal meals (langar) provided there. Mr. Singh notes that langar serves practical and symbolic purposes, rooted in agricultural traditions and promoting community and equality.
Overall, this episode serves as an enlightening and comprehensive introduction to Sikhism, highlighting the religion’s core beliefs, practices, history, and the shared human values of hospitality and truth. The conversation underscores the value of interfaith dialogue and mutual understanding in fostering global harmony.

Jul 1, 2025 • 57min
Bridge-Building Conversations: A Conversation with Dr. Ozgur Coca on Islam and Christianity
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Today’s episode will highlights the commonalities and differences between Islam and Christianity, promoting enriched relationships through genuine gestures and shared human experiences.
Building Bridges
Join Daniel McCoy, Editorial Director of Renew.org, and Dyron Daughrity as they engage in a bridge-building conversation with Muslim scholar Dr. Ozgur Coca. This dialogue covers the essentials of Islam, common misconceptions, the role of Christ in both religions, and perspectives on showing hospitality between Christians and Muslims. Dr. Ozgur Coca, Professor of Islamic Studies and Philosophy, shares his insights on theology, philosophy, and intercultural understanding. Discover a thoughtful discussion aimed at finding similarities and understanding differences between these two major world religions.
Key Takeaways
00:00 Introduction and Guest Background
04:44 Five Pillars of Islam
07:08 Similarities and Differences Between Islam and Christianity
10:07 Introducing Dr. Ozgur Coca
14:48 Misconceptions About Islam
22:46 Questions Muslims Have About Christianity
27:04 The Trinity in the New Testament
29:16 The Concept of Sin and Sacrifice
31:57 The Role of the Holy Spirit
35:08 Jesus in Islamic and Christian Theology
39:37 Commonalities and Differences in Theology
50:53 Acts of Hospitality and Understanding
55:58 Final Thoughts and Future Plans
In this episode host Daniel McCoy, the editorial director for renew.org, along with co-host Dyron Daughrity, engages in a detailed discussion with Muslim scholar Dr. Ozgur Coca. The conversation focuses on drawing parallels and distinguishing differences between Islam and Christianity to foster understanding and bridge the gap between these two major world religions.
Following this overview, the conversation turns to Dr. Ozgur Coca, who provides his academic background and discusses his role as a professor of Islamic studies at an Islamic Graduate School. He specializes in the intersection of Islamic theology, philosophy, spirituality, and science. Ozgur explains that his teaching and research often involve bridging these disciplines to provide a comprehensive understanding of Islamic thought and practice.
The discussion then shifts to exploring common misconceptions about Islam. Dr. Ozgur Coca addresses the idea that Islam is inherently violent and legalistic, pointing out that the central message of Islam is mercy, compassion, and kindness. He emphasizes that the portrayal of Islam in media often skews public perception, missing out on its rich spiritual and moral dimensions.
Ozgur goes into the distinctions within the Islamic tradition, detailing the different schools of thought and his own alignment with certain philosophical and theological perspectives. He affirms that while there are numerous schools and sects within Islam, the overall unity and respect for foundational texts, prophets, and moral values remain strong.
Dyron and Daniel seek to further understand Islamic perspectives by asking Ozgur about common questions Muslims might have about Christianity. One major topic discussed is the Christian concept of the Trinity. Daniel explains the Trinity by referring to the scriptural basis in the Old and New Testaments and the relational aspects within the Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Dyron adds to this by discussing the theological importance of sin, sacrifice, and the deity of Christ in Christian thought.
Ozgur responds by explaining that Muslims find the divinity of Jesus difficult to accept as it appears to undermine the oneness of God, but he acknowledges that Muslims do hold Jesus in high regard as a prophet, a spirit, and a word from God. This exchange exemplifies a mutual effort to understand and respect each other's religious frameworks.
Concluding the episode, Dyron asks Ozgur for advice on how Christians can demonstrate hospitality towards their Muslim neighbors. Ozgur highlights the importance of simple, genuine gestures like a warm greeting, a shared meal, or a considerate inquiry during significant religious periods like Ramadan. He underscores the power of these acts in fostering trust and breaking down barriers.
Overall, this episode serves as an informative and nuanced dialogue aimed at promoting interfaith understanding and respect. It showcases how open, respectful conversations can bridge gaps between differing religious traditions and pave the way for enriched relationships.

Jun 24, 2025 • 49min
Grandparent Disciple Making (feat. Bob Russell)
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Today’s episode will help us understand how grandparents can significantly influence their grandchildren’s spiritual and personal development through consistent presence, practical wisdom, and genuine love.
In this episode of the Real Life Theology Podcast, Bob Russell provides a detailed discussion about the significant role grandparents can play in the spiritual and personal development of their grandchildren. The speaker starts with an anecdote about Wayne Smith, a memorable preacher, and transitions into the importance of projecting one's voice and presence effectively.
He shares narratives from Biblical passages, particularly Genesis 48, where Jacob blesses his grandsons, Ephraim and Manasseh, establishing a foundational example of generational blessing and influence. The speaker underscores the importance of grandparents using their life's lessons and spiritual insights to positively influence their grandchildren, despite their own imperfections and past mistakes.
Several points are discussed on how grandparents can be a blessing to their grandchildren. He emphasizes the importance of having a good relationship with the parents of the grandchildren, reinforcing the parents' values, even if disagreements arise. The speaker recounts personal stories, illustrating both fun and trying moments with his grandchildren, such as the humorously chaotic experience of babysitting young children and attending a grandchild’s sporting events.
He reiterates that while grandparenting younger children can be fun, the influence grandparents have during the older years is often more critical. The speaker highlights the importance of shared activities and being present for grandchildren's significant moments, showing that consistent, everyday interactions often have a more profound impact on grandchildren than grand, expensive gestures.
The speaker advises using financial resources wisely, suggesting that grandparents help their children and grandchildren with timely financial gifts rather than leaving large inheritances. This practice not only provides immediate support during the family's developmental years but fosters a culture of generosity and support.
Another key point is the use of technology to stay connected, especially with grandchildren who may live far away. Texting, emails, and other forms of digital communication are valuable tools for maintaining relationships and providing timely support and encouragement.
The importance of sharing spiritual values is emphasized, often happening in everyday, spontaneous moments. Grandparents can instill these values during shared activities and family traditions. There is also a suggestion to write a letter to be read after one's death, which can provide lasting spiritual guidance and encouragement to grandchildren.
The speaker addresses the challenges grandparents may face when their grandchildren are not following a spiritual path or engaging in behaviors they do not approve of. He advises maintaining love and communication, setting clear boundaries, and using wisdom to navigate these difficult situations without compromising one's values.
He warns against centering one's entire life on grandchildren to the exclusion of all else, advocating for a balanced life that includes personal growth, friendships, and church involvement. This approach not only prevents burnout but also models a healthy, well-rounded lifestyle for the grandchildren.
In conclusion, the speaker encourages grandparents to finish strong spiritually, setting a consistent example of faith and integrity that will leave a lasting legacy for their grandchildren. He reinforces the idea that the greatest contribution grandparents can make is through their spiritual influence and the loving, supportive relationships they build with their grandchildren.

Jun 17, 2025 • 41min
How to Understand and Engage with Culture (feat. Daniel McCoy and Chad Ragsdale)
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Today’s episode will help us think critically and faithfully about how we engage with culture, offering a biblical framework for balancing truth and grace in a complex world.
In this episode, professors Chad Ragsdale and Daniel McCoy dive into what it means to think critically and engage culture as faithful Christians, drawing from their co-authored book.
Chad kicks things off with the question: “How do we love God with all our minds?” He outlines a helpful framework—four ways Christians typically interact with culture—based on two axes: accommodation vs. hostility, and anti-culture vs. counter-culture. He explains how each approach can have its place, but when a temporary strategy becomes a rigid default, it often loses its biblical grounding.
Daniel then contrasts the destructive nature of Satan with the creative nature of God. While the enemy tears apart relationships, truth, and virtue, God brings things together—truth and love, compassion and courage—to create something new and life-giving. He shares everyday examples, like navigating LGBTQ+ issues with both grace and truth, or parenting with both tenderness and honesty.
The conversation emphasizes that discipleship means staying thoughtful and flexible—continually learning, asking hard questions, and avoiding knee-jerk responses to culture. Chad highlights the need for churches to regularly teach on these tensions, encouraging deep, ongoing reflection rather than simplistic answers.
Overall, this episode equips Christians to engage today’s world with wisdom and grace—grounded in Scripture, guided by love, and always open to learning how to better reflect Christ in complex cultural moments.

Jun 10, 2025 • 56min
A New Day for the Churches of Christ (feat. John Magnuson)
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Today’s episode will help us reimagine the future of the Churches of Christ by embracing intentional discipleship, Spirit-led community, and practical strategies for revitalizing faith in our churches.
In this episode, the speaker delivers a passionate and practical message about faith, community, and the future of the Churches of Christ. He opens with a story about visiting Brush Run, drawing a parallel between small, humble beginnings and global gospel impact—just like Christianity’s start in Israel. This sets the tone for the rest of his talk: encouraging churches to remember where they came from and look ahead with bold vision.
He reflects on how churches once held the center of community life and challenges us to confront the cultural shifts that have led to disengagement. But his message is hopeful: the best days of the Churches of Christ can still be ahead—if we commit to intentional discipleship and community-building.
A major focus is on practical tools for disciple-making. He emphasizes the need for clear pathways over a buffet of church programs, recommending approaches like Discovery Bible Study (DBS) to equip members for relational, reproducible discipleship. He shares real examples of how these methods have worked in his own ministry.
The speaker also underscores the power of small groups, especially gender-specific ones, for deeper connection and accountability. He stresses the importance of prayer and fasting—not as rituals, but as essential practices for seeking God’s direction before moving forward. Drawing inspiration from global movements like Shidonke’s ministry, he calls the church to become more Spirit-led and sacrificial.
Throughout the talk, he shares stories of surprising generosity and Holy Spirit-driven moments in his church, urging us not to settle for routine Christianity but to pursue the kind of extraordinary life described in Acts.
He closes with a passionate call to action and a heartfelt prayer—asking God for boldness, creativity, and unity to reignite a disciple-making movement in the Churches of Christ. This episode is a wake-up call to step into our mission with renewed purpose, faith, and openness to the Spirit’s leading.

Jun 5, 2025 • 1h 2min
Preaching Discipleship to Hispanic Nominal Christians (David Mieja)
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Today’s episode will help us rediscover the heart of discipleship by reminding pastors and church leaders that spiritual growth, humility, and biblical grounding are essential—not just for those they lead, but for themselves as well.
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In this bilingual episode, John sits down with David Mieja and others to discuss life as pastors, disciples, and spiritual leaders. The conversation weaves between English and Spanish, reflecting the diverse backgrounds of the participants.
They reflect on cultural dynamics in church life, especially within Hispanic communities in the U.S., and how traditions from places like El Salvador and Cuba shape discipleship practices. Both men stress that true discipleship isn’t just about attending services—it’s about transformation, humility, and a deep connection to God’s Word.
Scriptures like Matthew 28 and Philippians 3 frame their message: making disciples is central to the church’s mission. They caution against drifting from biblical truth and highlight the need for mentorship and spiritual accountability.
The episode wraps up with a prayer for wisdom, unity, and faithfulness in ministry. Through honest stories and biblical insight, David and John offer a timely reminder: spiritual leaders never stop learning, and the church thrives when discipleship stays at the center.