Scratching the Surface
Jarrett Fuller
Scratching the Surface is a podcast about design, theory, and creative practice. Hosted by Jarrett Fuller, each episode features wide-ranging conversations with designers, architects, writers, academics, artists, and theorists about how design shapes culture. Previous guests include architecture critic Paul Goldberger, MoMA design curator Paola Antonelli, architect and OMA partner Reinier de Graaf, Pentagram partner Michael Bierut, RISD President Rosanne Somerson, writer Kurt Andersen, and designer Jessica Helfand. Featured in Architectural Digest, Dezeen, Curbed, and Eye. New episodes every other Wednesday.
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Aug 18, 2021 • 50min
195. Bryony Quinn
Bryony Quinn is a writer, editor, and educator. She teaches in design programs at the University of East London, London College of Communication, Royal College of Art, and Camberwell College and has written or edited for a variety of publications and books like Bricks from the Kiln and Failed States. In this conversation, Jarrett and Bryony talk about her move from illustration to writing, how she teaches writing to design students, and the role of editing. Oh, and punctuation. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/195-bryony-quinn.
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Aug 4, 2021 • 42min
194. Zak Kyes
Zak Kyes is the creative director and founder of Zak Group where he leads projects for cultural and commercial clients across scales and mediums. From 2006 to 2016, he was the art director of the Architectural Association School of Architecture in London and in 2007 he curated with Mark Owens Forms of Inquiry: The Architecture of Critical Graphic Design. In this episode, Jarrett and Zak talk about design as a type of cultural production, what he learned from working with architects, and rethinking our definitions of culture. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/194-zak-kyes.
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Jul 21, 2021 • 49min
193. Tereza Ruller
Tereza Ruller is an Amsterdam-based designer and educator. She is the co-founder of The Rodina, post-critical design studio with an experimental practice drenched in strategies of performance art, play, and subversion. She’s also the author of Action to Surface, a theory of performative design. In this conversation, Jarrett and Tereza talk about what performative design is and how designers can use it in their work, using design as a critical practice, and when the designer appears in the work. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/193-tereza-ruller.
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Jul 7, 2021 • 51min
192. Tobias Revell
Tobias Revell, a designer, artist, and educator, dives into the fascinating intersection of art and design. He discusses embracing hybrid roles, balancing critical skills with industry demands, and the importance of speculative design in shaping future narratives. Revell shares insights on how education can foster experimental practices and critiques the standardization of design through modern tools. His exploration of magic and mysticism in technology adds a unique layer, while his journey from RCA to teaching highlights the value of broad creative experiences.

Jun 23, 2021 • 59min
191. Glenn Adamson
Glenn Adamson is a curator and writer who works at the intersection of craft, design history, and contemporary art. He’s the author, most recently, of Craft: An American History. He previously was the director of the Museum of Arts and Design, head of research at the V&A, and curator at the Chipstone Foundation. In this conversation, Jarrett and Glenn talk about the understanding craft and its role in society, how he put together his new book, and how craft and design are different. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/191-glenn-adamson.
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Jun 9, 2021 • 51min
190. Michael Kimmelman
Michael Kimmelman is the architecture critic at The New York Times. Prior to this role, he created the Abroad column while based in Berlin and was the chief art critic. He’s also the founder and editor-at-large of Headway, a new venture focused on global challenges and progress. In this conversation, Jarrett and Michael talk about how he transitioned from writing about art to architecture, the role of the critic at a place like The New York Times, and how architecture discourse has changed over the last decade. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/190-michael-kimmelman.
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May 26, 2021 • 49min
189. Todd Oldham
Todd Oldham, a multidisciplinary designer and author, shares his creative journey rooted in a vibrant upbringing. He recalls early inspirations from museum visits and a love for color and typography. Transitioning from fashion to book publishing, he highlights the importance of celebrating subjects while maintaining an 'invisible' curatorial approach. Todd’s latest projects include an Alexander Girard book and a kids' crafting collaboration. His passion for design and storytelling shines through, revealing a historian's perspective on his subjects.

May 19, 2021 • 51min
188. Alexandra Cunningham Cameron
Alexandra Cunningham Cameron is a curator of contemporary design and the Hintz Secretarial Scholar at the Cooper Hewitt Design Museum. At Cooper Hewitt, she organized the first retrospective fashion designer Willi Smith that includes an exhibition, book, and online archive. Previously, she was a curator at Design Miami and the editor in chief of The Miami Rail. In this conversation, Jarrett and Alexandra talk about finding definitions for design, the relationship between literature and design, and institutional critique. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/188-alexandra-cunningham-cameron.
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May 12, 2021 • 48min
187. Willo Perron
Willo Perron is a designer, creative director, and partner of Perron-Roettinger whose work spans branding, interiors, and live performance. Willo has designed stage sets, packaging, and marketing material for artists like Kanye West, JAY-Z, St. Vincent, and Rihanna as well as branding and retail design for Adidas, Yeezy, and American Apparel. In this episode, Jarrett and Willo talk about the term ‘creative director’, his self-education in design, and the overlap between retail spaces and live performance. Links from this episode can be found at scratchingthesurface.fm/187-willo-perron.
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May 5, 2021 • 46min
186. Deyan Sudjic
In this engaging conversation, Deyan Sudjic, a renowned design critic and former director of the Design Museum in London, shares insights from his illustrious career. He discusses the balance between journalism and criticism, emphasizing the evolution of architecture criticism for mass audiences. Sudjic reflects on curating design as storytelling through objects and the imperative for museums to engage diverse audiences. He also explores the tension between celebrity architects and the bureaucratic nature of firms, alongside his concerns for cities in a post-pandemic world.


