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Jul 9, 2025 • 39min

Homeschool Sibling Relationships, Homeschoolers and The Sciences, And Learning How to learn w/ Nathan and Shelby Otto

On this episode, we have two guests, Nathan Otto and Shelby Otto. Nathan and Shelby are homeschool graduates who are both doing amazing work in the sciences. We talk about homeschooling and sibling relationships, community college, and pursuing passions that your parents (and educators) don't have expertise in.CONTRIBUTE your own response to this episode's interview questions for a chance to be featured on the final episode of this season!  (00:00) - Intro with Nathan and Shelby Otto! (03:16) - How the Ottos ended up in the Sciences (10:40) - The community college experience (13:40) - How homeschooling prepared for what came next (19:24) - Break (20:16) - Post-homeschool FOMO (28:35) - Haunted by misconceptions? (32:10) - Things that could've been done differently (35:17) - One thing they're thankful for from homeschooling
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Jul 2, 2025 • 50min

"Your Kids Are Not Your Report Card," The Origami Rebellion, and a Homeschool Math Redemption Arc w/ Heather Quintero

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett interview Heather Quintero, an early homeschool graduate and homeschool veteran parent. Heather shares her inspiring, and sometimes hilarious, experiences and joins us for a discussion on the importance of allowing your children to fail. (00:00) - Intro with Heather Quintero (00:43) - Heather's homeschool history (14:45) - Journey from then to now (18:38) - Decision to homeschool her own kids (25:39) - Break (26:32) - Homeschool doesn't have to be to excel beyond in school education (37:37) - Regrets and things Heather would've done differently (46:04) - One piece of advice (48:37) - Outro
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Jun 25, 2025 • 52min

Free-Radical Kids, Tailor-Made Education, and When to Care Less w/ Julie Bogart

In this episode, we’re joined by Julie Bogart, author and creator of the Brave Writer curriculum. Julie shares laughter, insights, and hard-won wisdom from her years of homeschooling five children.Find Julie Bogart's curriculum at bravewriter.com and her author website at juliebogartwriter.com. Check out her latest book: Help! My Kid Hates Writing: How to Turn Struggling Students into Brave Writers! And if you enjoyed this conversation, check out The Brave Writer Podcast—we highly recommend it!  (00:00) - Intro with Julie Bogart (00:55) - Julie's history with homeschool (03:05) - Julie's first encounter with homeschooling (07:01) - Fears before starting (09:13) - Choosing an ideal method over time (15:43) - What "being flexible" looks like (28:43) - Break (29:52) - Being in the thick of it (41:58) - Looking back on the journey (48:21) - Julie's new book! (50:53) - Outro
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Jun 18, 2025 • 53min

Homeschooled by Susan Wise Bauer w/ Chris Bauer

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett interview Susan’s son, Chris Bauer, for the inside scoop on what it was like to be homeschooled by the author of The Well-Trained Mind. As promised, here is the "Daniel fingers!" blog post Chris mentions. At 50:53 Susan mentions her history growing up in a fundamentalist cult, for more on her story check out Season 1, Episode 1: Our Education Journeys, or Season 4, Episode 1: Honest Reflections on My Homeschool Experience w. Susan Wise Bauer  (00:00) - Intro with Chris (Christopher) Bauer (01:25) - Chris was the test case (02:52) - Who is Chris? (09:45) - Chris' homeschool experience in 3 words | Consistent, flexible, and varied (10:30) - Earliest homeschool memories (16:23) - Typical homeschool days (23:51) - Susan invites negativity (27:07) - The rest of Chris' homeschool day (30:19) - Break (30:21) - Chris' biggest challenges (34:05) - How homeschooling shaped Chris' life (39:17) - Beta testing WTM (45:32) - What would Chris change? (47:00) - What Chris is passionate about (48:03) - Definite do and don't for Chris' hypothetical future children (52:04) - Outro
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Jun 11, 2025 • 42min

Honest Reflections on My Homeschool Experience w/ Susan Wise Bauer

Susan Wise Bauer candidly reflects on her homeschooling journey, from her own experiences as a homeschooled child to educating her own kids. She discusses the principles of classical education and its significance in modern curricula. Listeners learn about the challenges of balancing homeschooling with professional responsibilities and the importance of family support. Bauer shares her evolution from fear-based parenting to fostering an environment of love and understanding. This insightful dialogue captures the transformative nature of both parenting and education.
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Nov 13, 2024 • 1h 13min

Navigating College Admissions (pt. 2) with Holly Ramsey and Dr. Michele Evard

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett finish their discussion about college admissions for homeschoolers with two homeschool college admissions experts, Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard. Holly Ramsey’s WebsiteMichele Evard’s Website Holly and Michele’s Book (Use promo code: HOMESCHOOL10 for 10% off the book and everything else College UnMazed sells)Show Notes: 2:06 Holly recommends Georgia Tech’s college admissions blog for ALL families in the college admissions process, regardless of whether or not you plan to apply to Georgia Tech. Here is the referenced article about the “highschool hallway test.”7:58 Holly and Susan recommend creating a practice common app account. 11:40 Susan mentions her son’s homeschool transcript, which is available here for your reference. 21:16 Susan mentions that the CollegeBoard has an article about creating a school profile. You can find it here. 45:05 Holly recommends the College Unmazed College Data Organizer, a free tool for comparing colleges. 54:50 Holly recommends using the Student Aid Index Calculator to figure out which colleges you can afford. 55:11 Holly also recommends Big J Educational Consulting’s chart of schools that lists average merit award and what percentage of students get award. 56:45 Holly lists two reputable scholarship finders that aren’t selling your data: (1) CareerOneStop Scholarship Finder sponsored by the U.S Department of Labor and (2) JLV College Counseling. 58:50 Susan mentions Harvard as an example of a school that may be prohibitively expensive. However, while the sticker price is $60,000+/ year, the university has a large endowment and can cover most of that through merit and need-based scholarships. Here is a link explaining. (00:00) - Intro with Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard (again!) (00:13) - Make sure you listen to part 1! (00:58) - Things you *can* do for college admissions (01:28) - Do document your home school journey (09:38) - Core 4 documents (09:48) - 1 - An official transcript (14:52) - 2 - Course descriptions (19:55) - 3 - Home school profile (23:16) - 4 - The counselor letter of recommendation (32:39) - Break (32:40) - The personal essay (38:20) - Do make a list of "good fit" schools (51:48) - Do consider price tags (01:00:46) - Do consider alternatives (01:11:03) - Wrapping up
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Nov 6, 2024 • 50min

Navigating College Admissions (pt. 1) with Holly Ramsey and Dr. Michele Evard

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett discuss what NOT to do when navigating the college admissions process as a homeschool family. They are joined by two educational consultants and college admissions experts, Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard.Show Notes: Holly Ramsey’s WebsiteMichele Evard’s Website Holly and Michele’s Book (Use promo code: HOMESCHOOL10 for 10% off the book and everything else College UnMazed sells)Links mentioned: 3:42: Independent Educational Consultants Association (Holly and Michele are part of this organization, the other association they mentioned is HECA)19:49 Methodology on How US News and World Report Rank Colleges 28:48 Holly mentions Colleges That Change Lives as an example of the many smaller schools that may be a great fit for your student. 29:42 Holly’s recommendations for finding right fit colleges: New York Times Build Your Own College Rankings and Georgetown Return on Investment Chart. 32:29 Holly recommends MEFA Student Aid Index calculator to determine what kind of aid you can get. 37:52 Holly recommends Loper App (the dating app for colleges) (00:00) - Intro with Holly Ramsey and Michele Evard (06:42) - What not to do while thinking about the college application process (07:07) - Don't worry about what your third grader is doing (17:44) - Break (18:38) - Keeping on topic (19:02) - Don't worry about "Ivy Leagues" (34:33) - Don't get emotionally invested (40:39) - Don't shape your curriculum to have a good looking transcript (48:48) - Come back next week for the "Do-s"!
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Nov 1, 2024 • 15min

Bonus Episode: An Important Story from a Listener

In this short bonus episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett talk to one of our amazing listeners, Kim! Kim shares an important personal story and a correction to our previous statement about IQ testing. Where to find Kim: Blog: www.kimrankin.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/HoldMyWordsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/holdmywords/
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Oct 30, 2024 • 1h 1min

To Test or Not to Test w/ Dr. Julia Collier and Sandra Amoroso

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett are joined by Dr. Julia Collier and Sandra Amoroso from the Well-Trained Mind Academy to talk all things standardized testing. Show Notes: Resources for end-of-year testing: Seton TestingSusan’s book: Rethinking School: How to Take Charge of Your Child’s EducationYearly Testing: How to Do It by Susan Wise BauerResources for SAT and ACT Testing (college admissions tests):  CollegeBoard Yes, standardized testing is coming back to college admissions. Here is the Dartmouth statement that Julia read. More information on SAT Adaptive Testing Correction for 21:20: Both the SAT and ACT are now offered seven times a year. Correction at 16:18: Students can use a calculator during the math portions of the SAT. Preparing for the SAT: Schoolhouse.WorldOfficial SAT prep bookPSAT informationResources for AP TestingCollegeBoard official website AP essay writing tipsArticles to dive deeper into CollegeBoard controversies: Follow the Money, History of CollegeBoard FinancesHow the SAT Failed America via Forbes (this is an older article, but it gets into some issues with the CollegeBoard that stand the test of time)Scandal about Student Data via Reuters (00:00) - Intro with Julia Collier+ (01:27) - Talking about testing (02:09) - End of grade testing (10:08) - College admissions testing (29:03) - Break (29:57) - Advanced placement tests (34:30) - Pros of AP exams (46:27) - Cons of AP exams (56:41) - Closing statements (59:23) - Outro
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Oct 23, 2024 • 48min

Questions We Wish You'd Stop Asking Us w/ Chief Editor Justin Moore

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett are joined by Well-Trained Mind Press editor Justin Moore to talk through the quirkier questions we receive at Well-Trained Mind Press. Justin’s movie recommendation: The Magnificent Seven (the 1960 version!) Resources for Planning your own Homeschool Plan: Well-Trained Mind Recommendations Portal Well-Trained Mind Learning Services FAQ answer to this questionFAQ Section on our Website (00:00) - Intro with Justin Moore (05:55) - Questions not to ask (07:42) - Don't send your manuscript (15:00) - Don't ask for custom curricula (20:43) - Break (21:49) - Don't ask us to win history (30:56) - Don't ask if Susan has "gone woke" (38:53) - Susan's at the mercy of the shearer (41:17) - Don't ask if we can do your homework (45:47) - Wrapping up

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