Next in Media

I had the incredible opportunity to bring together some of the brightest minds in the creator economy for an evening of candid conversation about where this industry is headed. From ad tech innovations to creator authenticity, we covered the full spectrum of what it takes to turn creator content into scalable, revenue-generating partnerships. Conor McKenna from Luma and Zoe Soon from the IAB kicked things off with a macro view of the space, discussing how fragmented media is creating massive opportunities for technology to step in. We explored why brands are shifting budgets at unprecedented rates, with Unilever committing 50% of marketing spend to creator-related initiatives.The evening featured deep dives into brand integration strategies with Ali Parish from Blue Hour Studios and Jeremy Stewart from VuePlanner, followed by an eye-opening discussion with Arthur Leopolod from Agentio about how AI and automation are revolutionizing creator advertising. Perhaps most compelling was hearing directly from Sydney Jo, the creator behind the viral Group Chat series, and her manager Haley Friedman from Made By All about the reality of building a creator business. From navigating brand negotiations to maintaining creative authenticity, this conversation revealed both the opportunities and challenges facing the next generation of digital storytellers._______________________________________________Key Highlights🚀 The Walled Garden Shift: Meta and Google are evolving from social platforms to entertainment platforms, opening up competitive dynamics that allow ad tech to capture margin in the previously closed creator ecosystem.📈 Explosive Growth Trajectory: The creator economy is projected to reach $37 billion this year, growing 400% faster than average digital media, with Agentio raising $40 million to help brands scale from $50K to over $1 million in creator spend without additional bandwidth.🎯 The Authenticity Challenge: Brands are treating creators like Hollywood storytellers but expecting them to perform like programmatic ad units, creating a disconnect that requires better infrastructure, measurement, and understanding of the creator-first approach.🤖 AI as the Creative Multiplier: While AI enables scalability and reduces production costs to zero, the real winners will be creators with established trust and parasocial relationships, as audiences increasingly seek authentic voices in a sea of AI-generated content.💡 Partnership Over Performance: Long-term brand relationships like Sydney's multi-season deal with Hilton outperform transactional campaigns, with brands that engage in comments and understand social media culture seeing significantly better integration and results.📊 The Measurement Gap: Over 50% of US buyers consider creators a must-buy (second only to search and social), yet the industry lacks standardized metrics beyond engagement and reach, requiring brands to rely heavily on first-party data and brand-specific goals.🎬 Platform Dynamics: YouTube and Meta provide strong creator support with dedicated reps, while TikTok remains uniquely difficult to work with despite its massive scale, and creators intentionally maintain cross-platform presence to avoid giving control to any single platform.⚡ From Viral to Viable: Sydney's journey from 250K to 1.7 million followers in one week (and a Today Show appearance) reveals both the opportunity and challenge of monetizing virality, highlighting the critical importance of having the right management team to navigate brand negotiations and maintain creative control._______________________________________________Resources & Next Steps🌐 Learn more about VuePlanner🌐 Learn more about Agentio🎧 Subscribe to Next in Media on Apple Podcasts_______________________________________________YouTube Chapter Timestamps00:00 Opening remarks and industry momentum01:10 Introducing Connor McKenney and Zoe Soon03:00 The ad tech opportunity in creator economy05:40 Walled gardens becoming distribution platforms07:00 Why brands are shifting to creators08:30 The infrastructure and measurement challenge12:00 AI and algorithm control concerns13:00 Standardization vs. authenticity debate17:10 Ali Perish and Jeremy Stewart on brand integration18:40 Evolution of Blue Hour Studios20:40 View Planner's role in creator measurement24:00 YouTube Creator Partnerships Hub26:00 The lifetime value of creators28:00 Arthur Leopold introduces Agentio30:00 The $10 billion to $800 billion opportunity32:00 How Agentio automates creator advertising35:30 Bidding model and AI strategy creation37:40 Creators as micro creative agencies40:00 The Cambrian explosion of AI creativity42:40 Sydney and Hailey from Made By All44:00 Sydney's viral Group Chat origin story46:30 Navigating early brand deals49:00 The importance of saying no51:40 Long-term brand relationships54:00 When brands don't understand social media56:00 Working with platform partners58:30 Advice for brands and creators01:00:00 Closing thoughts and thank you

Tusar Barik, Senior VP of Marketing at The New York Times, discusses the newspaper's exciting transformation into a diverse media giant. He highlights their impressive audience growth, especially among Gen Z, and the success of their digital advertising strategies. Tusar shares insights about the innovative Brand Match AI tool which enhances ad performance and the evolution of podcasts into multimodal experiences. He also explores the vital role of games like Wordle in driving engagement and how the Times is shaping content to meet modern consumer demands.

Summary:This week on Next in Media, Mike Shields talks with Erick Opeka, President & Chief Strategy Officer at Cineverse and board member at the startup Micro Co. Opeka breaks down how short-form “micro-dramas”—already attracting hundreds of millions of daily viewers in China—are taking shape in the U.S. and why they could become a $20 billion category.He explains how Cineverse’s 22 streaming services, proprietary Matchpoint technology, and deep ad-tech stack position it to lead this wave. From Quibi’s missteps to AI-driven efficiencies, Opeka shares how the next generation of vertical video could transform storytelling, advertising, and the very idea of television.⭐ Key Highlights🎥 Cineverse 101: Operates a full-service film & TV studio plus 22 streaming platforms with under 200 employees—powered by its Matchpoint operating system.💡 Tech meets storytelling: Built its own ad-tech stack (C360) and data tools to monetize efficiently while controlling creative output.📱 Rise of micro-dramas: Already a $1 billion U.S. market and mainstream in China, drawing 600 million daily viewers.🧠 Why it works: Each 3-minute story triggers anticipation loops in the brain—more rewarding than endless scrolling.🌍 Cultural crossover: Format expected to reach 13–15% of all video consumption at maturity—larger than the entire U.S. theatrical market.🧩 Creative power team: Lloyd Braun, Susan Rovner, and Jana Winograde join Opeka to build a U.S.-based micro-drama studio.📺 Beyond romance: Expanding from steamy love stories to game shows, thrillers, and reality formats.💰 Business model: Starts with premium and pay-per-view, evolves toward ad-supported models—echoing the broader streaming trend.🤝 Brand opportunity: Advertisers aren’t yet in but white-space potential mirrors early anime and TikTok stages.🔮 Looking ahead: Launch slated for Spring 2026, combining platform tech + top-tier creatives to redefine mobile storytelling. 🔗 Resources & Next StepsFollow Erick Opeka on LinkedIn 🔗 Learn more about Cineverse → cineverse.com⭐ Rate & Review to help more listeners discover the show🎧Subscribe to Next in Media on Apple Podcasts ⏱️ YouTube Chapters00:00 – Intro and Erick Opeka’s role at Cineverse01:00 – How Cineverse runs 22 streaming services with Matchpoint04:00 – Ad-tech integration and C360 audience platform05:00 – The micro-drama trend and China’s 600 million viewers07:30 – Why micro-dramas hook audiences psychologically09:30 – U.S. market potential and viewer behavior11:00 – Genres evolving beyond romance13:00 – Demographics and comparison to K-drama boom14:30 – Business models: subscription vs ad-supported17:00 – Early lessons from China and U.S. adoption curve18:00 – Formation of Micro Co and the creative team21:00 – Building a U.S. platform with better UX and production quality26:00 – Quibi comparisons and why this time is different29:00 – Timeline for launch and platform strategy32:00 – Brand building and sustainable growth vs CAC race34:00 – CTV integration and cross-screen potential35:40 – Advertising ecosystem and brand interest37:40 – TERRIFIER franchise and Cineverse’s studio approach40:00 – Final thoughts on innovation and industry future

Why Brands Should Stop Avoiding News with Jack MarshallBrands have long shied away from advertising in news, fearing controversy or association with “negative” stories; but that hesitation is costing them results. This week, Mike Shields talks with Jack Marshall, Head of News at DoubleVerify, about why avoiding news is a missed opportunity and how advertisers can take a smarter, more nuanced approach to brand safety and suitability.Jack shares insights from DV’s research, which shows that news content drives 16% more engagement than non-news media, and explains how AI-driven tools are helping advertisers target responsibly while supporting trusted journalism. The conversation covers the shifting perceptions of news advertising, AI’s role in brand safety, and why authentic reporting may soon stand out as the antidote to AI-generated “slop.” Highlights:📰 The News Opportunity – DV data shows that news content generates 16% more engagement than non-news, yet many advertisers still block it.🔒 Brand Safety vs. Suitability – Safety covers truly unsafe content (malware, spam, copyright infringement); suitability is where nuanced strategy is needed.🧠 Educating the Industry – Jack’s role includes helping advertisers, agencies, and publishers understand how to unlock news environments safely.🛠️ Smarter Tools, Less Risk – DV’s AI-driven keyword optimization helps reduce false blocks and allows brands to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer.⚙️ Product Innovation – DV’s News Accelerator initiative and contextual categories like News+ and News+ Light make it easier to advertise in quality news at scale.📉 Myth-busting Fear – Consumers can separate ads from content; most don’t associate a brand with a nearby tough headline.🤖 AI & Trust – As AI-generated misinformation spreads, real journalism becomes more valuable — “the real connections stand out among the weirdness.”💬 Shift in Attitude – Advertisers are realizing they’ve been too conservative and are reopening budgets for trusted news environments.🪶 Publishers Adapting – From the New York Times’ strong ad growth to the rise of news creators, publishers are learning to leverage trust, voice, and engagement.🌍 Future Outlook – Expect closer ties between news brands and influencers, merging authenticity with scale in ad models. Resources and links:🔗 Follow Jack Marshall on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackmarshall/🌐 Learn more about DoubleVerify’s News Accelerator → doubleverify.comExplore Sabio’s platform: sabioctv.com ⭐ Rate & Review to help more listeners discover the show🎧Subscribe to Next in Media on Apple Podcasts Chapters:00:00 Research shows advertisers miss out by avoiding news00:40 Introducing Jack Marshall, Head of News at DoubleVerify02:00 Why DV created a Head of News role03:20 Educating advertisers and publishers on news investment04:50 The CMO vs. junior buyer disconnect06:00 Brand safety vs. brand suitability explained07:30 When it’s reasonable to exclude content — and when it’s not08:20 Modern tools vs. blunt keyword blocking09:20 Overgeneralizations and nuanced strategies10:00 The myth of “negative adjacency”11:10 How consumers actually perceive ads near news12:10 DV research: news drives 16% higher engagement13:30 Why advertisers should rethink “news avoidance”15:40 The DV News Accelerator and new AI keyword tools17:10 Cutting bloated keyword lists with automation18:30 Helping brands use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer19:30 Making nuance easy for media buyers20:20 Is the pendulum swinging back toward openness?21:30 AI slop and why real news stands out23:00 Publishers finding optimism amid change24:20 Diversifying revenue and growing brand trust25:20 The rise of news creators and influencer-style partnerships26:00 Closing thoughts — supporting real journalism and connection

In a lively discussion, Charlotte Maines, the Head of Device Advertising for Fire TV at Amazon, reveals the power of Fire TV's 300 million devices for brands targeting logged-in customers. She discusses the six-minute window where brands can capture viewer interest and how advertising has evolved from simple tune-ins to engaging full-funnel campaigns. Charlotte introduces Alexa Plus, an AI-driven assistant enhancing voice interactions, and explores innovative shoppable TV experiences that seamlessly integrate commerce with viewing, showcasing the future of advertising.

Karthik Rao, CEO of Nielsen, discusses his company's bold transformation amid a shifting media landscape. He dives into the blend of big data and panel measurement, revealing how this foundational change addresses fragmentation and enhances audience understanding. The rise of YouTube on connected TVs and its challenges is explored, alongside the role of AI in integrating digital and linear workflows. Karthik also touches on the essential support for creators and the ongoing 'currency wars' in media measurement.

Robert Wheeler, Founder and CEO of At The Moment Media, discusses his bold move from corporate communications at major companies to launching a people-centric publication in advertising. He explains the importance of humanizing B2B storytelling and how his brand focuses on short, engaging videos. Robert shares insights on embracing authentic narratives over jargon and highlights plans to cover cultural events like the Latin GRAMMYs. He emphasizes that a good story can't be fixed by PR spin, advocating for clarity and creativity in communication.

Google Ads just turned 25, and it’s entering a new era—one driven by AI, conversations, and context. In this episode, Dan Taylor, VP of Global Ads at Google, joins Mike Shields to unpack how the search giant is transforming its ads business for the age of AI Overviews, Performance Max, and long-form conversational queries. He explains why this shift feels bigger than mobile, how advertisers are adopting AI faster than ever, and why trust and accuracy remain Google’s north stars.Dan also reveals how AI is expanding the search funnel, creating new commercial moments that brands never could have targeted before. From tools like AI Max to agent-powered shopping, the future of advertising is about reducing friction, improving relevance, and meeting consumers wherever their curiosity starts. It’s a rare inside look at how Google plans to keep Search indispensable for the next 25 years.Key Highlights🔍 Google Ads at 25: Why AI is the next great shift in how people find and act on information.🤖 AI Overviews & Ads: What Google has learned about where ads fit into AI-powered experiences.📊 Performance Max & AI Max: How AI expands discovery beyond keyword targeting.🧠 Smart Bidding & Measurement: Google’s decade-long head start in predictive AI.🛍️ Retail Media Meets Agents: New tools like Agentic Checkout and visual search that cut friction in shopping.💬 Trust, Quality & Competition: Why Google believes this isn’t a zero-sum game—it’s an expanding marketplace.Resources & Next Steps🌐 Explore Google Ads AI Tools🔗Follow Dan Taylor on Linkedin🎧Subscribe to Next in Media on Apple PodcastsYouTube Chapters00:00 Cold open — AI shift and trust in information  00:55 Setting the stage — Google Search at 25  01:24 Mike introduces guest Dan Taylor (VP, Global Ads at Google)  01:49 Dan’s early career and move from broadcast to digital  03:11 Early experiments — Google TV and Audio Ads  03:49 Conversational search and AI-driven behavior change  06:32 Comparing AI to the mobile shift  08:18 How advertisers are adopting AI tools faster  09:27 Did Google move too slow? Inside its AI journey  12:16 Ads in AI Overviews — finding the right moment  13:40 Marathon example — how intent shapes relevance  15:48 AI expands search — new commercial moments emerge  16:32 Dorm room case study — Gemini and query fan-out  19:03 Performance Max and AI Max monetization insights  21:06 Generative creative tools and advertiser experiments  22:58 Retail and agentic experiences in shopping  24:59 Reducing friction — price tracking and visual search  26:08 Competition across AI, retail, and social platforms  27:10 Wrap-up — the future of AI-powered search  

In a captivating discussion, Peter Hamilton, Head of Ad Innovation at Roku, delves into the dynamic world of connected TV advertising. He reveals how Roku is making CTV accessible to small businesses while helping larger brands reach new audiences. Peter discusses the revolutionary 'OK to text' feature, enhancing viewer interaction, and highlights collaborations with Amazon to improve advertising effectiveness. He also shares insights on AI in creative production and the rise of shoppable TV, painting a picture of what's next in the CTV landscape.

Jordan Matter, a talented photographer-turned-YouTuber, shares insights into his remarkable journey alongside his daughter Salish. They discuss how their viral dance photography evolved into a powerful father-daughter brand with 300 million monthly views. Jordan emphasizes the importance of authenticity over virality in building trust and the success of their new Sephora-backed skincare line, which captivated 87,000 fans at launch. He also touches on balancing parenthood with creativity, and their approach to avoiding influencer burnout and maintaining genuine connections.