

The Elephant In The Room Property Podcast | Inside Australian Real Estate
Chris Bates
Who's really in control when you buy a property?
The Elephant In The Room is where the things that no one wants to talk about, actually get talked about.
Veronica Morgan, real estate agent, buyers agent and co-host of Foxtel’s Location Location Location Australia & Chris Bates, financial planner, mortgage broker and wealth coach have joined forces to find out what’s really going on in the world of real estate.
Veronica and Chris talk to property owners and buyers every day in their respective lines of business. They’ve observed a wide spectrum of confidence in people’s decision making ability when buying and selling property, often to the detriment of the individuals concerned. They are both fascinated by consumer behaviour and together they’re going to uncover who’s really making the decisions when you buy a property.
In each episode they get into the psyche of buyers, agents, auctioneers and other industry experts to learn the truth about how buyers are influenced and why they do the things they do. In every episode you’ll learn from the mistakes of a “property dumbo” as well as Chris & Veronica’s “elephant rider bootcamp” training session.
The plan? This property podcast has been created to help us all make better property decisions!
The Elephant In The Room is where the things that no one wants to talk about, actually get talked about.
Veronica Morgan, real estate agent, buyers agent and co-host of Foxtel’s Location Location Location Australia & Chris Bates, financial planner, mortgage broker and wealth coach have joined forces to find out what’s really going on in the world of real estate.
Veronica and Chris talk to property owners and buyers every day in their respective lines of business. They’ve observed a wide spectrum of confidence in people’s decision making ability when buying and selling property, often to the detriment of the individuals concerned. They are both fascinated by consumer behaviour and together they’re going to uncover who’s really making the decisions when you buy a property.
In each episode they get into the psyche of buyers, agents, auctioneers and other industry experts to learn the truth about how buyers are influenced and why they do the things they do. In every episode you’ll learn from the mistakes of a “property dumbo” as well as Chris & Veronica’s “elephant rider bootcamp” training session.
The plan? This property podcast has been created to help us all make better property decisions!
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Jul 6, 2025 • 59min
Building Community, Not Just Property: Inside the Property Collectives Model
In this episode, we’re joined by Tim Riley, founder of Property Collectives, to explore a new way of thinking about housing—one rooted in collaboration, not speculation. Tim breaks down how the group build model works, why it’s gaining traction, and how it empowers people to co-create their homes rather than buy off the plan. We cover a wide range of topics, including long-term land leases, co-op residency structures, cost-based living models, and how these ideas could offer an alternative to rising rents and traditional home ownership. Tim also talks through the realities of group decision-making, equity capital requirements, and the mindset shift needed to embrace collective development. If you’re interested in housing affordability, innovative ownership structures, or just want to understand where the future of property might be heading, this conversation is packed with insights. Tune in now to hear how Property Collectives is challenging the status quo in Australian housing. Episode Highlights: Welcome [00:00] Tim Riley's Journey and Initial Projects [02:14] Details of Group Builds and Decision-Making [04:53] Financial Benefits and Social Aspects [06:33] Formation and Management of Groups [12:16] Challenges and Solutions in Group Builds [15:10] Expansion and Future Plans [31:05] Impact and Broader Implications [55:21] About our Guest: Tim Riley is the founder and Development Director of Property Collectives, a pioneering Australian property development group known for its innovative, community-led approach to housing. With a background in marketing, Tim transitioned into property development in 2010, establishing Property Collectives to empower individuals and groups to collaboratively design and build architecturally distinctive homes at cost. Under his leadership, the company has delivered numerous projects across Melbourne, focusing on affordability, sustainability, and social impact. Tim’s vision centers on creating quality homes and vibrant communities by enabling participants to become co-developers, sharing both the responsibilities and rewards of property ownership Connect with Tim: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timykriley/ Website: https://propertycollectives.com.au/team/tim-riley/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/timykriley1 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/propertycollectives Resources: Visit our website: https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word, and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 If you enjoyed today’s podcast, don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share the show! There’s more to come, so we hope to have you along with us on this journey! See you on the inside, Veronica & ChrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 29, 2025 • 52min
What’s Fueling the Sentiment Shift in Regional Property?
What’s really behind the shift we’re seeing in regional property market trends, especially along the NSW South Coast? In this episode, we sit down with our good friend and local expert Matthew Knight as someone who’s been living and breathing this stuff for years, to give us the real story. We’ve heard all the noise about COVID booms and tree changers flooding coastal towns, but what happens after the rush settles? Are people still moving out of the city, or has the tide gone out? Matthew walks us through what he’s seeing on the ground; where prices surged way too far, where they’ve pulled back, and which areas are starting to bounce back. We talk about the rise of Airbnb buyers again, the return of holiday home interest, and how first-home buyers have actually had some solid opportunities, despite what the headlines say. The regional property market trends aren’t one-size-fits-all, and this chat really digs into why. We also get into infrastructure changes like the Shell Cove Marina and new hospitals, and how those are making a real difference for retirees, families, and essential workers looking to settle in. And of course, we couldn’t help but talk about schools, childcare, and what happens when a region grows faster than it’s ready for. This one’s a grounded, honest look at life beyond the cities; what’s working, what’s struggling, and what might be next. If you’ve been watching regional property market trends and wondering where things are headed, this episode’s got plenty to chew on. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:12 - Who is Matthew Knight? 01:29 - How has the South Coast property market changed since COVID? 05:44 - Which areas were hit hardest when the South Coast boom was corrected? 08:18 - Did city buyers push prices beyond what locals consider fair value? 10:53 - Why are some beach towns struggling more than others? 13:15 - Are more investors shifting to short-term rentals like Airbnb? 15:49 - Why have some people reversed their sea change and returned to the city? 23:36 - Did first-home buyers take advantage of softer conditions in 2024? 28:40 - What infrastructure upgrades are reshaping the region? 32:01 - Are zoning changes and new housing keeping up with growth? 33:41 - What broke when the population boomed and is it being fixed? 36:45 - What does the next five years look like for the regional market? 39:37 - How much does the future of remote work affect the coast’s appeal? 42:07 - Do locals just visit the city when they need a dose of culture or convenience? 46:22 - Matthew Knight’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Matthew Knight is the Founder and Director of Precium, a buyer’s agency specialising in regional New South Wales, particularly the NSW South Coast. With over two decades of experience in property investment and market analysis, Matt combines data-driven insight with a practical understanding of local dynamics. A long-time resident of the South Coast himself, he has firsthand knowledge of the region’s unique challenges and opportunities. Matt is widely respected for his integrity, deep local expertise, and commitment to helping homebuyers, investors, and downsizers make informed, confident property decisions. Connect with Matthew Knight: LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattknightprect Instagram https://www.instagram.com/preciumproperty/ Website https://precium.com.au/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 22, 2025 • 1h 3min
What’s Really Causing the Housing Crisis in Australia? Peter Mares Breaks It Down
Join Peter Mares, an independent journalist and author of 'No Place Like Home,' as he unpacks the real reasons behind Australia's housing crisis. He challenges the myth that lack of construction is the sole issue, revealing how historical policy decisions favor wealth over stability. Peter dives into the effects of negative gearing, the cultural obsession with homeownership, and the missed opportunities with medium-density housing. He also offers practical solutions to shift the focus towards affordable housing for everyone.

Jun 15, 2025 • 1h 1min
Could the Property Boom Be Built on Illusion? Martin North Has a Warning
Is all this property wealth we talk about actually real—or is it just theoretical? That’s what we unpack in this episode with our guest Martin North, founder of Digital Finance Analytics and someone who’s been watching the numbers and the story behind them for years. We ask him: is Australia’s $11 trillion property market built on something solid, or are we clinging to an illusion that’s quietly reshaping the country? Martin walks us through what he calls a “Python swallowing an elephant” moment; the massive bulge of intergenerational wealth that’s moving slowly through the system. We get into what’s really happening with downsizing, why reverse mortgages might not be the win they’re often sold as, and what happens when kids start relying too heavily on the Bank of Mum and Dad. Spoiler: it’s not as simple or as safe as people think. We also look at what governments are doing, policies around death tax fears, proposed taxes on unrealized gains in super, and the broader impact of kicking the can down the road. Martin doesn’t hold back when it comes to calling out flawed thinking or dangerous policy decisions, and it makes for a really thoughtful, at times surprising, conversation. If you’re trying to make sense of where the market’s heading or what might be brewing beneath all this apparent prosperity, you’ll want to sit with this one. It’s not about panic—it’s about facing the bigger picture and asking the harder questions most people still avoid. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:26 - Who is Martin North? 02:20 - Why is intergenerational wealth transfer such a big issue today? 07:38 - Are we double counting superannuation totals when comparing asset classes? 11:29 - Why can’t many older Australians downsize, even if they want to? 13:04 - Financial traps hidden in retirement villages and reverse mortgages 18:31 - How wealth and mortgage debt are distributed across generations, and why it matters 23:21 - Cultural shift in how families are handling financial support across generations? 28:05 - Are younger generations developing a sense of entitlement toward parental financial support? 33:52 - Martin's thoughts on the proposed policy to tax unrealized gains in superannuation 39:01 - Did tax reforms under Howard trigger Australia’s property boom? 41:57 - Why has Australia’s property market outpaced the UK since 2000? 45:00 - Will Australia’s $11 trillion in property wealth ever truly change hands? 48:48 - What happens when the property wealth wave finally hits the end of the line? 52:56 - Are Australians starting to see the deeper layers behind the housing crisis? 57:19 - Martin North’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Martin North is the founder of Digital Finance Analytics, a boutique research and analytics firm focused on the intersection of finance, property, and consumer behavior in Australia. With a background in banking, data science, and strategic consulting, Martin is known for his in-depth housing market surveys and independent commentary on financial systems. He regularly appears in media and podcasts to share insights grounded in data, particularly on topics like intergenerational wealth, mortgage stress, and housing affordability. His work combines macroeconomic analysis with real-world household data, making him a respected voice in Australian property and finance conversations. Connect with Martin North: LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/martin-north-6a799182 Website https://www.digitalfinanceanalytics.com/ X (formerly Twitter) https://x.com/DFA_Analyst Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 8, 2025 • 55min
Australia’s Biggest Home Builder Opens Up About Survival
The building industry in Australia 2025 is still feeling the ripple effects of COVID, supply chain chaos, and builder collapses, and we wanted to know what it actually looks like to survive all that. So we brought in Brad Duggan, CEO of Metricon, to pull back the curtain on what went wrong, what they got right, and what others need to understand if they’re going to build homes (and stay afloat) in this market. Brad doesn’t hold back. He talks about the grind; the fixed-price contracts, the cost blowouts, the tough calls they had to make just to finish the work they promised. We got into what shifted for buyers too: smaller homes, simpler choices, and a stronger demand for turnkey builds. There’s a reason Metricon pivoted in that direction, and it’s not just about profit, it’s about stability. We also talked through some of the bigger picture issues shaping the building industry in Australia 2025. Delays in planning, lack of trades, materials tied up in tunnels and infrastructure jobs, councils dragging their feet. Brad’s got strong views on all of it, and some practical thoughts on what actually needs to change. If you’re buying, building, or even just trying to wrap your head around the future of housing in Australia, this chat cuts through the noise. So let's dive in and get started. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:11 - Who is Brad Duggan? 01:33 - How bad has it really been for builders in the last few years? 04:14 - The toughest truths Brad had to face in stepping in as CEO 05:56 - How much building capacity did the industry lose due to insolvencies? 07:26 - If builders went under, why is there still a skilled labor shortage? 09:05 - What’s driving the increase in home building costs today? 11:45 - How much of the 50% cost increase is due to materials vs labour? 14:48 - Is outsourcing builds to China a practical solution to supply shortages? 16:05 - What makes modular construction so expensive and hard to scale? 18:29 - Are Australians too picky about customisation for mass-market housing to work? 20:31 - Why aren’t apartments a good entry point for young buyers? 21:21 - What types of builds make up Metricon’s current portfolio? 22:41 - What are the cost and risk differences between custom builds and volume builders? 25:19 - The risk of cookie-cutter suburbs in affordable housing 29:38 - Has construction productivity actually improved in Australia or not? 32:43 - Should buyers focus more on land content for better capital growth? 36:38 - Have all affected customers from collapsed builders been helped? 37:45 - What role should regulators play in builder accountability? 39:05 - Are investors finally returning to the market? 40:07 - What’s wrong with how some investment properties are sold? 47:14 - Does protecting the ‘neighbourhood feel’ stall progress? 51:39 - Brad Duggan’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Brad Duggan is the Chief Executive Officer of Metricon, Australia’s largest home builder. He stepped into the CEO role in July 2023 after serving as the company’s Chief Financial and Operating Officer. With over two decades of experience in finance and construction, Brad has held senior leadership positions at Probuild, WBHO Infrastructure, Australian Unity, and PwC. He holds a Bachelor of Commerce in Accounting and Finance from the University of Tasmania and is a Chartered Accountant. Brad is known for his pragmatic leadership during one of the most challenging periods in the construction industry, guiding Metricon through a successful financial turnaround while maintaining its position as the country’s top residential builder. Connect with Brad Duggan: LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/brad-duggan-96160818 Website https://www.metricon.com.au/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jun 1, 2025 • 51min
Property Q&A: Zoning Shakeups, Rentvesting Moves & $600K Investment Myths Debunked
What do zoning shakeups mean for your suburb, your street, and your property’s value? In this Q&A episode, we answer real questions from listeners and unpack the property market trends that are shaping the way people buy, build, and invest right now. We talk about what makes a home “A-grade” beyond land size and location, how to avoid overcapitalising, and why things like natural light and flexible layouts matter more than fancy finishes. We also break down the reality of rentvesting with a family and whether that under-$600K “positively geared” investment still exists. Here’s what we break down in this episode: Zoning changes are reshaping Sydney’s character suburbs—some areas will win, others could lose. Future-proofing your build matters: think layout, street appeal, and long-term resale. High rental yield doesn’t always mean better—capital growth still does the heavy lifting. Rentvesting only works if it fits your long-term goals and lifestyle. Don’t chase trends. Understand why the property market is shifting before you buy. If these are the questions keeping you up at night, or at least making you pause, this episode’s worth a listen. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:49 - How will zoning and development changes affect Sydney’s heritage suburbs? 11:44 - What should I consider when building a home to maximise resale or rental value? 18:50 - Are three-bedroom apartments really being bought by first home buyers? 22:41 - Should I focus on capital growth or rental yield while building my portfolio? 34:03 - Is it still possible to buy a positively geared property under $600K? 43:56 - Should we rentvest or try to buy in an area we’ve been priced out of? Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 25, 2025 • 1h 1min
Inside Australia’s Housing Crisis: Broken Policy, Supply Myths & Market Limits
What if everything we’re told about fixing Australia’s housing crisis is just scratching the surface? That’s the starting point for our conversation with Michele Adair, Managing Director of the Housing Trust and a long-time advocate for meaningful housing reform. Michele brings decades of experience and doesn’t hold back when talking about what’s really broken in the system. Throughout the episode, we cover key issues that are often ignored or oversimplified in the national conversation around Australia’s housing crisis, including: Why political promises rarely translate into real, on-the-ground housing outcomes The limitations of the private market and why it can’t deliver genuinely affordable homes How capital gains tax discounts cost the federal budget $23 billion a year – funds that could support social housing The gap between housing policy and delivery, and how that disconnect keeps communities in crisis Why the Housing Australia Future Fund is a step in the right direction, but severely underfunded and politically vulnerable The urgent need for a 20-year national housing strategy that includes all levels of government and addresses workforce shortages How community housing providers are being stretched to the limit, despite being more efficient and regulated than many think Why defining “affordable housing” matters, and how that definition has been lost at a federal level If you care about what’s happening in housing, or you’re just tired of hearing the same old solutions that clearly aren’t working, this one’s worth a listen. Let's get started! Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:21 - Who is Michele Adair? 01:59 - Could the election results have an impact on the ongoing rental crisis? 04:36 - What Michele believes the Labor Party still needs to address beyond supporting HAAF 07:06 - How Michele views the investment fund approach vs direct housing build 09:56 - What’s currently preventing good affordable housing proposals from moving forward 11:02 - Why Michele believes political messaging around “supply” misses the real issue 13:48 - Why housing affordability can’t be fixed by doing the same thing over and over 16:07 - Why housing policy shouldn't be a one-size-fits-all 27:17 - What’s changed, or hasn’t, in the rental crisis since the last conversation 29:49 - How having three levels of government makes fixing housing more difficult 36:50 - Michele’s views on how tax structures and hidden costs affect affordability 38:44 - How community housing is currently financed, and why it’s becoming harder 49:21 - How poorly designed rental laws are putting pressure on both renters and landlords 52:22 - Will regional oversupply outpace urban rental demand? 58:06 - Michele Adair’s property dumbo 59:34 - Thoughts on the 3D printed house About Our Guest: After seven years as CEO at Housing Trust, Michele Adair has now moved into the role of Managing Director to focus on portfolio growth. A courageous and pragmatic driving force in housing policy and advocacy, she was named one of the five most powerful people in property by the AFR in 2023 and won the UDIA’s national award for leadership excellence the same year. Michele was the inaugural Chair of Homes Tasmania and joined the Australian Urban Research Infrastructure Network as their housing industry expert in 2024. Connect with Michele Adair: Website https://www.housingtrust.org.au/ LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/michele-adair Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 18, 2025 • 54min
From Dummy Bidders to Underquoting: What Auctioneers Know That You Don’t
What really goes on in an auctioneer’s mind, and what do they see that most buyers and sellers don’t? In this episode, we chat with Emma Brown-Garrett, a seasoned auctioneer who’s been in the property world for over 20 years, to talk about everything most people misunderstand about auctions. Emma’s not just there to call numbers. She’s reading the room, guiding negotiations, and sometimes stepping in to rescue a sale when things aren’t going to plan. We asked her what she notices that tells her a buyer has more money to give, and she was very clear: it’s in the increments, the confidence, the speed of the bids. She also shared why so many buyers get it wrong by waiting too long or hoping someone will say “it’s on the market.” If you’re holding back for that moment, you might just miss out. And when it comes to underquoting, Emma doesn’t shy away from the tricky parts. She opens up about what’s legal, what’s fair, and how agents handle the pressure of changing buyer interest during a campaign. We also dive into the emotional side of auctions; those moments when people start bidding against each other out of ego, not strategy. Emma talks about how she handles it when it starts to feel more like a standoff than a sale, and why being involved from the start of a campaign makes a real difference. She’s not a “rock up on the day” kind of auctioneer, and that changes everything. If you’ve ever walked away from an auction feeling confused or frustrated, this conversation might just give you the clarity you’ve been missing. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 00:55 - Who is Emma Brown-Garrett? 01:49 - What adds the most value to a property sale? 02:36 - Can auctioneers fix a bad auction setup? 04:21 - Are auctioneers expected to do more than just call bids? 05:31 - What auctioneers need to know before auction day 10:07 - What are the ingredients of a good auction from a seller’s perspective? 11:56 - Emma’s thoughts on agents being the auctioneers themselves 13:50 - The hardest auction Emma’s ever had to call 16:33 - Why being involved before auction day gives auctioneers an edge 20:23 - How auctioneers tell if a buyer has more money to spend 24:48 - Can you spot a dummy bidder? What do they look like? 27:52 - An auctioneer’s responsibility in ensuring that phone bidders are legitimate 29:36 - The role of an auctioneer when buyers start overbidding emotionally 32:09 - Is underquoting still a problem? What auctioneers see on the ground 35:44 - Common mistakes buyers make at auction (and how to avoid them) 39:13 - How has changing market conditions affected the way Emma approaches auctions 43:03 - Mistakes buyer’s agents make on auction day 46:01 - Why bids over $1 million can confuse auctioneers and buyers alike 48:51 - Emma Brown-Garrett’s property dumbo About Our Guest: Emma Brown-Garrett is a seasoned real estate auctioneer with over 20 years of experience in the property industry, beginning her career in residential sales with some of Sydney’s most respected boutique agencies. Known for her dynamic energy, adaptability, and sharp communication skills, Emma brings a deep understanding of both sales and auctioneering to every campaign. She is highly regarded for her ability to read the auction floor, guide complex negotiations, and build trust with buyers and sellers alike. As a committed professional who often works closely with agents and vendors throughout the entire campaign—not just on auction day—Emma has earned a reputation for delivering results with integrity, insight, and a personal touch. Connect with Emma Brown-Garrett: LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/menckwhite Instagram https://www.instagram.com/emma_brown_garrett Website https://www.menckwhite.com.au/ Resources mentioned in the episode: Auction Ready by Veronica Morgan https://gooddeeds.com.au/auction-ready/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 11, 2025 • 1h 5min
Is Media Hype Making Australia’s Housing Crisis Worse? with Cameron Kusher
How much of what we hear about Australia’s housing crisis is actually true, and how much is just media hype? In this episode, we’re joined by Cameron Kusher, a property economist who’s here to speak without corporate filters, and he doesn’t hold back. We talk about how the media often gets housing stories wrong, oversimplifying complex issues just to chase clicks. The real concern? That these headlines shape government policy, leading to short-sighted solutions that don’t actually fix anything. Cameron walks us through what’s really driving the supply issue: rising construction costs, GST on new builds, financing hurdles, and why “just build more” isn’t as easy as it sounds. We also chat about the missing piece in most political conversations: renters. There’s been decades of underinvestment in social and affordable housing, but that rarely gets the spotlight. We cover everything from tax reform to built-to-rent models, university responsibilities, and what role governments should be playing. If you’ve ever felt like the housing conversation is stuck or too focused on band-aid solutions, this one’s worth a listen. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:02 - Who is Cameron Kusher? 01:38 - What frustrates Cameron the most about how media covers the housing market 04:21 - How could governments better assist the housing market? 12:44 - How biased is property media? Can we trust it? 15:26 - What do major networks get wrong about the property market? 17:30 - Why immigration is so hard to reduce and what does it means for housing 22:08 - Will falling inflation and interest rates increase housing approvals? 26:31 - Are planning reforms in NSW and VIC actually working? 33:35 - How much housing supply is considered enough? Can we sustain it? 42:14 - Could tax reform like land tax replace stamp duty? 46:14 - Do bold buyer incentives help or hurt the housing market? 48:37 - Are young people really locked out of the housing market? 51:53 - Is ‘giving while living’ the new Bank of Mum and Dad? 53:55 - Will downsizing boomers actually free up family homes? 57:46 - Are Australians becoming comfortable with lifelong mortgage debt? 1:00:06 - Cameron Kusher's property dumbo About Our Guest: Cameron Kusher is a seasoned property economist and one of Australia’s most respected housing market commentators. With more than 20 years of experience working in the Australian property sector., he has held senior research roles at CoreLogic and REA Group, where he served as Executive Manager of Economic Research. Cameron’s expertise spans residential and commercial property markets, focusing on data-driven insights into housing trends, affordability, and policy impacts. He is a sought-after speaker and writer, known for cutting through media noise to highlight the structural and economic forces shaping Australia’s housing landscape. Connect with Cameron Kusher: LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameron-kusher-bbb71b46/ Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast - questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

May 4, 2025 • 1h 8min
Why Behavioural Economics Matters in Real Estate with Evan Lucas
What if the real driver behind Australia’s property obsession isn’t logic, but human behaviour? In this episode, we’re joined by behavioural economist Evan Lucas, and let’s just say… this one’s a thinker. We talk about how our attitudes toward property have shifted since the pandemic; what’s stuck, what’s changed, and why the DIY mindset, generational habits, and even the Bunnings effect all feed into the way we view real estate. It’s not just about shelter. It’s about control. Identity. Security. And that deeply emotional idea of “home.” Evan pulls back the curtain on how we’re wired to respond to urgency, pressure, and even shiny marketing tactics, and how those biases can lead us straight into the wrong property decisions (even when we think we’re being smart about it). We get into pain points like home bias, dopamine hits, and the big one: why losing money on property feels so personal, because for many of us, it is. There’s so much in here for buyers, sellers, and anyone trying to make sense of today’s market. If you’ve ever wondered why the numbers don’t always add up to the decisions people make, this episode explains a lot. Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Introduction 01:06 - Who is Evan Lucas? 02:44 - Why Australians are so obsessed with property 06:07 - The real consequences of a property-driven culture 09:17 - Why does behavioural economics matter so much when you’re investing? 13:31 - When did Evan realise behaviour was driving investment outcomes 22:38 - The behavioural biases that quietly sabotage property buyers 29:31 - The big differences in beliefs and behaviours around property across generations 34:38 - Why housing has become a generational and cultural tug-of-war 38:28 - What COVID changed and what it didn’t 42:29 - Will the regional shift last now that offices are calling people back? 46:29 - Work-life tug-of-war: Who’s really in control now? 51:13 - Evan's thoughts on allowing first home buyers to access their super 57:12 - What Evan thinks about value and what it really means in the context of property 1:03:16 - Evan Lucas’ property dumbo About Our Guest: Evan Lucas is a leading behavioural economist, author, and financial commentator known for making complex money matters relatable and human. With a background in global finance and a passion for understanding how emotions and biases shape financial decisions, Evan helps Australians rethink the way they engage with money, investing, and property. He regularly appears in national media and is the author of Mind Over Money, where he explores why logic often takes a back seat when it comes to personal finance. Connect with Evan Lucas: LinkedIn https://au.linkedin.com/in/evan-lucas-44a25316 Website https://evanlucas.com.au/ Listen to Evan’s podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/exchanges-with-evan-lucas/id1796919532 Resources: Visit our website https://www.theelephantintheroom.com.au If you have any questions or would like to be featured on our show, contact us at: The Elephant in the Room Property Podcast questions@theelephantintheroom.com.au Looking for a Sydney Buyers Agent? https://www.gooddeeds.com.au Work with Veronica: https://www.veronicamorgan.com.au Looking for a Mortgage Broker? https://www.alcove.au Work with Chris: chrisbates@alcove.au Enjoyed the podcast? Don't miss out on what's yet to come! Hit that subscription button, spread the word and join us for more insightful discussions in real estate. Your journey starts now! Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theelephantintheroom-podcast Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/the-elephant-in-the-room-property-podcast/id1384822719 Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ge1626dgnmK0RyKPcXjP0?si=26cde394fa854765 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


