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Lorenzo Hagerty
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Mar 5, 2009 • 1h 32min
Podcast 174 – “Pushing the Envelope”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotes below are by Terence McKenna.]
"The thing is that it is incredibly frustrating to anyone who would control it [the Internet], because you can’t predict the impact of any technology before you put it in place."
"Hans Moravic says about the rise of Artificial Intelligence, we may never know what hit us."
"If I were to suddenly find myself a sentient AI on the Net, I would hide. I would hide for just a few cycles while I figured out what it was all about and just exactly where I wanted to push and where I wanted to pull."
"All time is is how much change you can pack into a second."
"You can stand back and look at this planet and see that we have the money, the power, the medical understanding, the scientific know-how, the love, and the community to produce a kind of human paradise."
"It [culture] invites people to diminish themselves, and dehumanize themselves by behaving like machines, meme processors of memes passed down from Madison Avenue, and Hollywood, and what have you."
"Man was not put on this planet to toil in the mud. Or the god who put us on this planet to toil in the mud is no god I want to have any part of. It’s some kind of gnostic demon. It’s some kind of cannibalistic demiurge that should be thoroughly renounced and rejected."
"It was the fall into history that enslaved us to the labor cycle, to the agricultural cycle. And notice how fiendish it is."
"This is a society, a world, a planet dying because there is not enough consciousness, because there is not enough awareness, enough coordination of intent-to-problem. And yet, we spend vast amounts of money stigmatizing people and substances that are part of this effort to expand consciousness, see things in different ways, unleash creativity. Isn’t it perfectly clear that business as usual is a bullet through the head?"
"To me it begins and ends with these psychedelic substances. The synergy of the psilocybin in the hominid diet brought us out of the animal mind and into the world of articulated speech and imagination."
"Having lived long enough to go at least once or twice around the block, I’m noticing that the strangeness is not receding The strangeness seems to be accelerating."
"I started out in psychedelic drugs, and people said it was a flight from reality. It still is a flight from reality, but I think reality is now a bit more scary than the drugs we used to fly from it, so long ago."
"It’s getting funnier because everybody’s categories are disintegrating, and the cult of political correctness dictates that we never point out that other people don’t make sense."
"Beauty is self-defined, perceived and understood without ambiguity, and beauty is the stuff that lies under the skins of our individual existences."
"The momentum now is inevitable. Now it’s about each of us individually arranging the furniture of our own mind to deal with what has become inevitable."
"What is happening here is we are living past the age, by the millions, living past the age where cultural values make any sense at all."
"When your time is turned into money, the felt presence of immediate experience is analogous to being enslaved. I mean, let’s be frank about it, it is enslavement."
"The message coming back at all of us is: live without closure."
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Transcript of this Talk
Video of Bruce Damer’s EvoGrid
This is the book Terence spoke about in this podcast.

Feb 26, 2009 • 1h 2min
Podcast 173 – Shulgin: “How I Go About Inventing New Drugs”
Guest speaker: Sasha Shulgin
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: The two quotations below are by Sasha Shulgin.]
"Internally, no one’s an elder. Internally everyone’s kinda around 35 or so."
"The people at the industry said, ‘Gee, if you have that kind of imagination that you can look at a structure and guess at another structure that might be active, why don’t you just do whatever you want to do.’ And I did."
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Feb 16, 2009 • 1h 19min
Podcast 172 – “The State of LSD in 2003″
Guest speakers: Earth & Fire Erowid, Ralph Metzner, Stanislav Grof, Nick Sand, and Dave Nichols
PROGRAM NOTES:
Erowid’s LSD Vault
LSD and Drug Testing
LSD FAQ Part 1
LSD FAQ Part 2
"I believe it’s true to say that everyone who has experienced LSD or another psychedelic would look on that experience, especially the first one, as a major life-changing event." –Ralph Metzner
"The introduction of LSD and psychedelics into the culture produced a transformation of the entire culture, the consciousness of the culture." –Ralph Metzner
"The first note in that octave [of our cultural transformation], the do, was the discovery of LSD by Albert Hofmann in 1943." –Ralph Metzner
"Just as Hitler used the Reichstag burning, the U.S. government now uses the so-called two wars, the War on Drugs and the War on Terrorism, to fuel fear in the population and establish a police security state." –Ralph Metzner
"It [the prohibition of psychedelics] puts the industrial civilization in a very unique position. It’s just about the only society in the whole history of humanity that doesn’t have any use for non-ordinary states of consciousness." –Stanislav Grof
"We have to recognize that spirituality is a legitimate dimention in the psyche. It’s a legitimate dimention in the universal scheme of things. It doesn’t mean that you are superstitious, that you are in to magical, primitive thinking, if you take spirituality seriously." –Stanislav Grof
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The Psychedelic Party of Israel

Feb 10, 2009 • 1h
Podcast 171 – “The Technology of Freedom”
Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations below are by Dr. Timothy Leary.]
"Many people are afraid to be free. They’re afraid that if liberty were to seep through the land then they would loose something. The just don’t trust themselves enough to be free."
"Prison is a luxury. Unfortunately it is wasted on people who don’t know how to use it."
"The objective is to get as far away from The Man as you can."
"There’s only one technology of freedom. It’s the human brain."
"You’ve got to be smart to be free, and most people don’t want to take the responsibility to be free."
"You are as old as the last time you changed your mind." (Anon quoted by Leary?)
"Liberty is inexorably intertwined with intelligence."
"Every time you hear that word ’security’ watch out, because somebody’s going to take some of your freedom away."
"One way to become more intelligent is to migrate to where people are as intelligent or more intelligent than you."
"I’m basically pro-drugs. Drugs give you more options. Now I’m not pro any one drug. I’m pro-freedom-of-drugs."
"We can only go as far outward as we have gone inward."
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The Timothy Leary Archives ONLINE

Feb 9, 2009 • 1h 13min
Podcast 170 – “How the Web Looked Back in 1994″
Guest speakers: Ralph Abraham, Terence McKenna, and Rupert Sheldrake
PROGRAM NOTES:
All of the following quotations are from a private trialogue held at Terence McKenna’s me in Hawaii sometime in 1994.
"I believe that the World Wide Web is, as a matter of fact, the noogenesis of the noosphere of the future. This is it!" –Ralph Abraham
"Notice that throughout history the most oppressed group has not been the Jews, the Irish, the blacks, they’ve taken their hits, but the most consistently oppressed group of people throughout human history have been smart people. And now comes a tool for smart people [the Internet] utterly incomprehensible to dullards, that is essentially the equivalent of the hydrogen bomb." –Terence McKenna
"Chaotic as the Web is, what it is is a controlled psychedelic experience spreading through the populace at the highest levels of intelligentsia." –Terence McKenna
"What it [the Internet] will be in the future will depend on what kind of people with whatever motives would actually go there." –Ralph Abraham
"I think it’s [the Internet] built into the evolutionary morphogenetic unfolding of the cosmos in that it could no more be stopped than mitocondria or societal organization."–Terence McKenna
"I think it [the Internet] will supersede us. I don’t know how much monkey meat will be connected to the World Wide Web when the Web is complete. It may shed the monkey meat."–Terence McKenna
"The population explosion could end, let’s say, because of the World Wide Web. This is my greatest dream." –Ralph Abraham
"Nature is a world wide web. That was the first world wide web." –Terence McKenna
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Podcasts 19 (Part 1) & 20 (Part 2)
“The World Wide Web and the Millennium” a conversation between Terence McKenna and Ralph Abraham (August 1998)

Jan 25, 2009 • 60min
Podcast 169 – “Truth is a Dangerous Thing”
Guest speaker: J. Krishnamurti
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations below are by J. Krishnamurti.]
"Give your heart and your mind with every thing that you have to find out a way of living differently."
"Where there is love, do what you will it will be right action, but never bring conflict to one’s life."
"We are talking about a revolution, not physical, but a psychological revolution in which there is no, at the depth, conformity. … Conformity exists when there is comparison. For a mind to be totally free from comparison, that is to observe your whole history which is embedded in you."
"What’s your answer to this question that human beings have lived this way for millenia upon millenia, why haven’t they changed? . . . Why don’t you, if you’re at all serious in this matter, why don’t you ask yourself that question? Why am I, a human being who has been through all of this, why haven’t I changed?"
"To go into this question of bringing about a total revolution in what is, one must have an extraordinary sense of awareness."
"And when observed through history, through our life, all that hope and faith have no meaning at all, because what is important is what we are, actually what we are, not what we think we are, or what we think we should be, but actually what is."
"What we are trying in these discussions and talks here is to see if we cannot radically bring about a transformation of the mind. Not accept things as they are."
"To understand is to transform what is."
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More information about Krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Founda.tion of America
.J. Krishnamurti Online
Books by Jiddu Krishnamurti

Jan 24, 2009 • 1h 38min
Podcast 168 – “What Hawaii Says About Evolution”
Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake
PROGRAM NOTES:
All of the following quotations are from a private trialogue held at Terence McKenna’s home in Hawaii sometime in 1994.
[NOTE: The following quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
"I think what life on islands brings home to us is that Earth itself is an island."
"I think the technological principle on which the next century [21st] will operate is a mimicking of nature, solid-state, micro-miniaturized, solar-based, no moving parts, and so forth."
"Any theory which has us gathering together in large crowds to chant should look back at the Third Reich before it proceeds too far with its agenda."
"America is a cultural bulldozer. It just tramples and destroys everything in its path."
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Jan 7, 2009 • 1h 31min
Podcast 167 – “Evolution of Intelligence”
Guest speaker: Dr. Timothy Leary
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations below are by Dr. Timothy Leary.]
"The evolution of intelligence: Now this is a very interesting idea. It means that the way not just to survive but to evolve is to get smarter.
"I think it’s time to dust off the word pagan again. The word pagan seems to mean one who loves life. A pagan is someone who loves humanity and would never dream of oppressing humanity with Original Sins and other life sentences, which distract from self-esteem and courage and self-confidence."
"We were not descended from chimpanzees or apes, we are teenage, juvenile chimps or apes that didn’t grow up and develop tails and swing around in trees. . . . In many aspects, the human species is an immature species. We haven’t committed ourselves to a final form, and therein, perhaps, lies our great usefulness to the DNA code and the biological wisdom."
"If you want to increase your intelligence, if you want to evolve, and grow, and go through the changes, the many changes that are possible, at all costs avoid terminal adulthood."
"If you stay in the same place, you tend, obviously, to not be exposed to new challenges, and you’re not going to be under pressure to grow. Although, it is well known though, that if you migrate, if you want to change, if you want to grow, if you want to develop, if you want to reach a higher level, a standard genetic tactic, and a standard human tactic, is to migrate to a new frontier where you have a chance to develop and grow."
"People born in the same generation share an unspoken sense of reality throughout the world."
"DNA uses juvenilization, mutation and change in the young, only when there’s a challenge that the old way can’t face."
"The last fifty years of the twentieth century in this country are simply the history of the baby boom moving like a pig through a python through American culture."
"If you find yourself in a generation that is pretty stuffy, migrate! A generation is an island in time. … You’re as old as the people you hang out with."
"The intelligent evolutionary tradition has always been intelligent skepticism of authority."
"Throughout human history, those in power have been wrong 99% of the time."
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More about Mary Pinchot Meyer

Jan 6, 2009 • 1h 12min
Podcast 166 – “Psychedelic Dreams”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations below are by Terence Kenna.]
"The good. What is it? Tricky, tricky, tricky. The true. What is it? Trickier, even trickier. The beautiful. What is it? Easy to discern. The beautiful is easy to discern. You are going to be condemned to live out the consequences of your taste."
"Beauty is downloaded into the human cultural milieu largely through dreams."
"On a planet where hundreds of millions of people are starving, the obligation upon the conscious people near the control surfaces, near the levers of the human machine is immense."
"When I say psychedelic I have something very specific in mind that a substance or a plant should do. It should not inhibit clarity, in other words not episodes of forgetfulness, lack of memory, passing out or confusion. It shouldn’t interfere with that, and it should transform thought. And it should be accompanied by visual hallucinations with eyes closed."
"The biggest danger with psychedelics is that while you are in that open state some moron will mess with you."
"Matter is not lacking in magic. Matter is magic."
"At bedrock, the universe is more like a DMT flash than it is like an 18th century garden party, as we were previously assured by the practitioners of science."
"An incredible ability to not register radical change seems to be a precondition of existing in the presence of radical change."
"But if I’m right, that the universe has an appetite for novelty, then we are the apple of its eye. … You are the cutting edge of a thirteen billion year old process of defining novelty. Your acts matter. Your thoughts matter. Your purpose, to add to the complexity. Your enemy, disorder, entropy, stupidity, and tastelessness."
"The psychedelic community is cleverly invisible. Because our choices in gender expression, fashion, and so on have, by crypto-osmosis, come to dominate the values of the culture, we can no longer tell ourselves from straight people."
"Basically, when you smoke DMT what happens is pure confoundment."
"DMT does not provide ‘an’ experience which you analyze. Nothing so tidy goes on. The syntactical machinery of description undergoes some kind of hyperdimensional inflation, instantly. And then you cannot tell yourself what it is that you understand. In other words, what DMT does can’t be downloaded into as low dimensional a language as English."
"One toke [of DMT] away is this absolutely reality-dissolving, catagory-reconstructing, mind-boggling possibility. And I feel like this is a truth that has to be told."
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Dec 20, 2008 • 1h 7min
Podcast 165 – “From Beats, to Hippies, to McKenna”
Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Timothy Leary, Allen Ginsberg, William S. Burroughs, Abbie Hoffman, Gregory Corso, and Diane Di Prima(?)
PROGRAM NOTES:
"There are no bad drugs. There are simply people who don’t know how to use them. Intelligent people use drugs intelligently, and stupid people are going to abuse drugs the way they abuse everything else. And our function is to raise the level of intelligence. We have to have a program of drug education." –Timothy Leary
"I don’t think there’s any problem with advancing consciousness and becoming more and more aware of the struggle, not with the world, not to convince other people to do anything. The really interesting think is the struggle with the self, and the relation with the self, and there is no end to the improvement that can be done there, the discoveries that can be made." –Allen Ginsberg
[NOTE: The following quotes are all by Terence McKenna.]
"To contact the cosmic giggle, to have the flow of casuistry begin to give off synchronistic ripples, whitecaps in the billows of the coincidental ether, if you will. To achieve that, a precondition is a kind of unconsciousness, a kind of drifting, a certain taking-your-eye-off-the-ball, a certain assumptions that things are simpler than they are, almost always precedes what Mircea Eliade called ‘the rupture of plane’ that indicates that there is an archetypal world, an archetypal power behind profane appearances." –Terence McKenna
"It occurs to me that at any given moment, because of the way the planet is as a thing, some percentage of human beings are asleep, always, and many are awake. And so if the world soul is made of the collective consciousness of human beings, then it is never entirely awake. It is never entirely asleep. It exists in some kind of indeterminate zone."
"Technology, or the historical momentum of things, is creating such a bewildering social milieu that the monkey-mind cannot find a simple story, a simple creation myth, or redemption myth, to lay over the crazy, contradictory patchwork of profane techno-consumerist, post McLuanist, electronic, pre-apocalyptic existence."
"I believe that the truth of the matter is far more terrifying [than conspiracy theories]. The real truth that dare not speak itself is that no one is in control. Absolutely no one!"
"The global destiny of the [human] species is somehow unfolding with the logic of a dream."
"The carrier of the field of the cosmic giggle in most people’s lives is love. Love is some kind of output which messes with the entropic tendency toward probabilistic behavior in Nature."
"The primary contribution of 20th century thinking, if you will, is to have understood, finally, that information is primary. That this world, this cosmos, this universe, this body and soul are all made of information. … The implication for the digerati is that reality can therefore be hacked."
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