

Psychedelic Salon
Lorenzo Hagerty
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Jul 15, 2011 • 58min
Podcast 274 – “Psychedelic Safety” plus “Borges and McKenna”
Guest speakers: Ann Shulgin and Dr. William Rowlandson
PROGRAM NOTES:
"If you are going to experiment with a psychedelic of any kind, make sure you are depranil-free for at least five days, probably seven would be safer.”
-Ann Shulgin
“You don't really need MDMA or a psychedelic to do [deep personal therapy]. … I think that until at least some of these materials become legal, don't dismiss the possibilities of hypnotherapy doing exactly what you need and want.”
-Ann Shulgin
“As far as I'm concerned, there is no substitute for MDMA, because it is the insight drug. And it does this magical combination of allowing you to see inside without fear and hostility toward yourself. It has a beautiful, beautiful effect, and no other drug that we know of so far manages to do that.”
-Ann Shulgin
“[Our] paradox is the ceaseless, constant drive to understand something that is inherently un-understandable. Now, of course, the paradox lies in the fact that we understand it is not to be understood, and yet we understand that we continue to try to understand. It's a beautiful paradox.”
- Dr. William Rowlandson
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2CT-7 Survey by Casey Hardison

Jun 29, 2011 • 1h 38min
Podcast 273 – “Indigenous Plant Wisdom”
Guest speaker: Kathleen "Kat" Harrison
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Kat Harrison.]
"If a bird you're not used to seeing comes and sits on a tree outside your window and calls, and calls, and calls. It's not just a bird of a trip. It's a bird that has a message that it is sending you that may be positive, that may be a warning. It's something you pay attention to.”
“You really need to, at least part of the time, speak [out loud] to the entity that you are invoking the presence of. That the whole idea with these medicines is to go into an active, right now, relationship between beings. It's inter-species communication.”
“In order to do this kind of magical work, energy transforming work, you have to create a vulnerable oasis. You have to be willing to be open and be vulnerable, and in order to do that you have to set up protection around you, around the people you're working with, or even the place you're working. And one of the ways to set up protection is to plant plants that carry that kind of protective power around you.”
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[From their Web site: "Thank you for considering Gaian Botanicals as your source for high quality ethnobotanicals, herbs and teas. We are a small privately owned and operated specialty shop who imports direct from growers & harvesters in small quantities to ensure everything is fresh. We use our own contracted laboratory to manufacture high quality, safe and effective botanical extracts. We maintain the highest level of respect and great relationships with the plants, those who cultivate and manufacture our extracts, our customers and Gaia. We take great care with every aspect of our business and keep overhead low to save you money!"]

Jun 21, 2011 • 1h 10min
Podcast 272 – “On the Genetic Runway”
Guest speaker: Timothy Leary
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Timothy Leary.]
"I like the Pope. I think he's the finest mind of the 12th century.”
“It really is an awesome epidemic of deliberate stupidity that is laid upon us by the media, by the press, by the magazines and so forth. They simply do not raise any of the issues that will challenge our interest or intelligence.”
“There's simply no question that anyone who knows anything about how to use brain-activating drugs and is operating with a clear mind, with no desire to screw other people's minds up, whose willing to put in time and patience, and sensitivity, can help anyone wash their brain. There's no longer any excuse for having a mind that you don't like, or having a brain program that you're dissatisfied with.”
“I've always hated the Second Law of Thermodynamics.”
“It always comes down to individual choices of what chemicals you're going to use to stimulate your evolution.”
“You use a drug intelligently when you know what effect it's going to have on you, and you use it at the time and the place that it's going to add to your growth, or your fun, or your overall program of life management and directorship. And you're not going to use a drug that in any way will fuck up, or slow down, or throw obstacles in your overall path.”
“Computers are to the Eighties what acid was to the Sixties.”
“One thing that drugs give you: Personal options to change your own mind, a way of rewarding yourself, of teaching yourself, of activating yourself, of changing yourself. And one thing that the power-holders do not want you to do as an individual is to change your own mind and learn how to reward yourself.”
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Jun 17, 2011 • 1h 30min
Podcast 271 – “Weaving Modern Ritual from Traditional Roots”
Guest speaker: Kathleen "Kat" Harrison
Big Island, Little Planet
March 17–28, 2012
A Travel Intensive in Polynesia on the Big Island of Hawaii
Ethnobotanist Kathleen Harrison and Hawaiian cultural teacher Momi Subiono will lead this travel intensive, open to all who have a desire to immerse themselves in the story of plants, nature, and a deep cultural awareness of place.
PODCAST PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Kat Harrison.]
"The role of conscious, intentional behavior that is described by culture or subcultural rules of behavior with reflected meaning is sort of a way of describing ritual generally, and we draw these forms out of a number of traditions.”
“I think when we go into thinking about how to do psychoactive medicines it's very valuable to look deeply, to look seriously, at the traditions that have attended these medicines through time.”
“Repeated behavior in the same mode over a long time generates a kind of an etheric possibility of it recurring and being potentized by its ongoing, indefinite repetition.”
“I feel that it's really valuable to look into the ritual history of the place where you live or the place where you're working.”
“Pay homage to the history of ritual that is coming through the place.”
“Why one [psychedelic medicine] may be your best friend's ally and not your ally is a mystery. And maybe you can solve that mystery and maybe not. But you should honor the fact that some things work for you and some things are not your medicine, even though everyone around you appears to be having a good time.”
“You don't lead with your head. You let your heart and your body tell you what to do in these [introspective psychedelic] moments. Then if you think it's time to get up and bolt out into the street, you let your head come in and tell you, 'Don't! Sit down. You're not going anywhere.' ”
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Thank you to The Turtles for "Eve of Destruction"

Jun 10, 2011 • 1h 29min
Podcast 270 – “Tryptamine Consciousness”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
This is Tape Number 003 of the Paul Herbert Collection.
This talk was given in December 1982
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
"The search for a radio signal from an extraterrestrial source is probably as culture-bound an assumption as to search the galaxy for a good Italian restaurant.”
“It is no great accomplishment to hear a voice in the head. The accomplishment is to make sure it is telling you the truth.”
“The demons are of many kinds. Some are made of ions, some of mind. The ones of ketamine, you'll find, stutter often and are blind.”
“There is no dignity in the universe unless you meet these things [psychedelics] on your feet. And that means that you have an I/thou relationship, and you say … 'you're long on talk, but what can you show me?”
“These things [psychedelic medicines] invoke the Logos, which means they work directly on the language centers. So that the important aspect of the experience is the dialogue.”
“I think if someone tells you they've every drug you know they're confessing they're a dilettante. It's much better to lean hard on a few.”
“I think one of the interesting things about judging a drug is to see how eager people are to do it the second time. If they're eager to do it the second time it's probably not worth bothering about, because what is necessary to have validity in these experiences is the terror. The terror is a stamp of validity on the experience, because it means this is real.”
“Friends, right here and now, one quanta away, there is raging a universe of active intelligence that is trans human, hyper dimensional, and extremely alien.”
“The most alien thing in the cosmos is the human soul.”
“As nervous systems evolve to higher and higher levels, they become more and more to understand the true situation in which they are embedded.”
“As nervous systems evolve to higher and higher levels they become more and more to understand the true situation in which they are embedded. And the true situation in which we are embedded is an organism, an organization of active intelligence that is on a galactic scale.”
“In other words, shamanic experience, drug experience, this is ruled out of bounds. And it is because it is the source of novelty. The cutting edge of the ingression of the novel into the plenum of being is happening there. I mean, think about it for a moment. If the human mind does not loom large in the coming history of the human race, then what is to become of us?”
“So I am saying we are at the beginning of human thought. This is the birth crisis of intelligence. And intelligence is something which is moving through the higher primates now at greater and greater speed.”
“The fact is that the densest organizational material in the universe is the human cortex. And the richest experience in the universe is the experience you're having right now.”
“The testimony that I want to give today is that magic is alive in hyperspace, and you don't have to believe me or follow me or do anything to validate that except form a relationship with these plant drugs.”
“There is some surety that you are dealing with a creature of integrity if you deal with a plant, but the creatures born in the demonic artifice of laboratories have to be dealt with very, very carefully.”
“DMT is like an intellectual black hole in that once you know about it, it's very hard for anyone to understand you when you're talking about it.”
“The future is bound to be psychedelic because the future belongs to the mind.”
“The tragedy of our cultural situation is that we have no shamanic tradition. Shamanism is primarily technique, not ritual.”
“The only intellectual, or noetic, or spiritual path worth following seems to me to be the one that builds on your own experience.”
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TRANSCRIPT OF THIS TALK FROM EROWID.ORG
The Genesis Generation
A novel by Lorenzo
NOW AVAILABLE AS AN eBOOK
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Jun 6, 2011 • 1h 7min
Podcast 269 – “Inebriating Potions from Agave”
Guest speaker: Jonathan Ott
PROGRAM NOTES:
This is a talk that Jonathan Ott gave in September 2004 at the Mind States Conference in Oaxaca, Mexico.
From the program for Mind States 2004:
Jonathan Ott will give a talk titled “From Octli/Pulque and Xochioctli to Mezcal and Vino de Mezcal Tequila”.
The ethnopharmacognosy of inebriating pre-Columbian potions based on octli or pulque, wine of various species of Agave, with special reference to numerous inebriating additives; traditional foods and beverages made from mezcal Agaves; and colonial development of distilled mezcal from fermented, cooked mezcal Agaves. Finally, more recent development of Vino de Mezcal Tequila or Tequila, a regional type of mezcal brandy, from cooked hearts of Agave tequillense or blue agave.
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More about: Agave and Mescal
Mescal: A New Artificial Paradise by Dr. Havelock Ellis

Jun 3, 2011 • 1h 7min
Podcast 268 – “Leary vs. Liddy – 1990 Debate”
Guest speakers: Timothy Leary and G. Gordon Liddy
This program is another selection from the Timothy Leary archive. It features an October 23, 1990 debate at Penn State University between Dr. Leary and his arch-enemy, the scandalous G. Gordon Liddy. One of my favorite segments in this debate, which wasn't all that polite at times, is when Leary pointed out the fact that he had spent more time in the U.S. Military service than Liddy had, but that Liddy had spent more time in prison than Leary had.
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Timothy Leary.]
“My advice to you is: 1) don't rely on politicians to solve you problems; 2) work to the fullest of your power to decentralize and to take power away from the central government in Washington, bring it back to the villages, to the cities, to the neighborhoods.”
"It politics, scum rises to the top. Let me say it again, in politics mediocrity rises to the top.”
“As far as this election is concerned, I urge you, don't vote for either a Democrat or a Republican. It just encourages the bastards.”
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MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST
The Maze Game by Diana Reed Slattery

May 26, 2011 • 1h 40min
Podcast 267 – “Exploring the Abyss”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
Please Support Dennis McKenna’s Kickstarter Project: The Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss!
PROGRAM NOTES:
This lecture was recorded in November 1982. A more complete version of this talk may be found in Podcast 317.]
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“My assumption whenever I am confronted with opposites is to try to unify them, to create a coincidentia oppositorum as was done in alchemy, to not force the system to closure but to try and leave the system open enough so that the differences can resonate and become complimentary rather than antithetical.”
“Shamanism, on the other hand [as compared with science], is this world wide, since Paleolithic times, tradition which says that you must make your own experience the centerpiece of any model of the world that you build. No amount of readings from meters, whether they're metering cyclotrons or any other kind of instrument, are going to satisfy you.”
“What psilocybin focuses as a problem that these other hallucinogens do not is that it allows a dialogue with the other that is full of give and take. In other words there are entities in the hallucinogenic world that psilocybin, and DMT, and a few other not well-known or widely distributed plants, hallucinogens, induce.”
“Our alienation from ourselves has caused us to set up a number of straw men that are keeping us from building actually a mature model of how the universe really works. The content of the dialogue with the Other is a content that indicates that man's horizons are infinitely bright.”
“Alchemy is about the generation of a psychic construct, a wholeness, a thing which has many properties, which is paradoxical, which is both mind and matter, which can do anything.”
“[UFOs are], in other words, something which in order not to alarm us has disguised itself as an extraterrestrial being but is in fact the collectivity of the human psyche signaling a profound historical crisis.”
“A mature humanity could get into a place where we no longer required these metaphysical spankings from messiahs and flying saucers that come along every thousand years or so to mess up the mess that has been created and try and send people off on another tack.”
“Eternity does not have a temporal existence, even the kind of temporal existence where you say it always existed. It does not have temporal duration of any sort. It is eternity.”
“We are not primarily biology with mind emerging as a kind of iridescence, a kind of epiphenomenon at the higher levels of organization of biology. We are in fact hyperdimentional objects of some sort which cast a shadow into matter. And the shadow in matter is the body.”
“The whole purpose of shamanism, and of life correctly lived, is to strengthen the soul and strengthen the relationship to the soul, so that this passage [death] can be cleanly made.”
“Technology is the real skin of our species.”
"There is not the Newtonian universe deployed throughout the parsecs and kiliacosoms of physical space and the interior mental universe. They are the same thing.”
“An Aquarian science, or a science that places psychedelic experience at the center of its program of investigation, should move toward a practical realization of the goal of eliminating the barrier between the ego and the overself so that the ego can perceive itself as an expression of the overself.”
“This [psilocybin] is a source of gnosis, and the voice of gnosis has been silenced in the Western mind for at least a thousand years.”
“We can release this thing once again. The logos can be unleashed once again, and the voice that spoke to Plato and Parmenadies and Hericlitus, that voice can speak again in the minds of modern people. And when it does, the alienation will be ended because we will have become the alien.”
“But the main thing about psilocybin, and I stress it over all these other hallucinogens, is information, immense amounts of information.”
“Only through the medium of sight can the true modality of this logos be perceived.”
“This situation called 'history' is totally unique. It will only last for a moment. It began a moment ago. It will only last for a moment. But in that moment there is like this tremendous burst of static as the monkey goes to godhood.”
“We, and I, we are intellectuals trapped in a world of too much information. Innocence is gone for us. We cannot expect to cross the rainbow bridge through a good Act of Contrition. That won't be sufficient. . . . Because to fear death is to not understand what's going on. And to even see it as a big deal is to not understand what's going on, although I don't claim to have reached that exalted plane.”
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Psilocybin: Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide: A Handbook for Psilocybin Enthusiasts
By O. T. Oss, O. N. Oeric
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May 18, 2011 • 1h 18min
Podcast 266 – “Interview with Dennis McKenna”
Guest speakers: Dennis McKenna and David Ellenbogen
Please Support Dennis McKenna’s Kickstarter Project:
The Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss!
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Dennis McKenna.]
"The brain is essentially a communications network … all this complex network of neurons that cross-talk to each other through these neurotransmitters.”
“We think of ourselves as separate from the environment. We're kind of here, and our skin separates us from the environment, but we're not like that at all. We're semi-permeable membranes. Things are coming in all the time in the form of food, drugs, smoke, other things that we absorb, and we're putting out things all the time at the same time. So we're part of this chemical communication system.”
“If it weren't for the linkage to symbols, or significance, which are abstractions, we wouldn't be conscious. That is the sine qua non of consciousness, is that we're immersed in this world of ideas and abstractions, and dreams. And this kind of experience is as real as the external world for us. And not really separated from us. That's what sets us apart from animals.”
“Consciousness is something you detect, like tuning a television set to different channels, as much as it is something that the brain generates. I think the brain modulates signals that come from outside, but consciousness is probably more primal than matter.”
“It's not only up to us. Life probably permeates the universe, and that means intelligence permeates the universe. And that's good. So if we blow it, and it looks like we're probably going to, others will carry on. And if we wake up in time maybe we can be part of that. Our challenge is to propagate these understandings through enough people that people do wake up and they realize that we've got to get cracking.”
“Ayahuasca is now a global phenomenon, and this is part of the plants' reaching out, trying to reach out to larger groups of people and basically hit us upside the head with a two by four and say, “Hey you monkeys wake up! You're fucking it up! You have to wake up.”
“I think humility is essential for doing this [working with psychedelic plants]. This is the other thing that to me personally, and I think to a lot of people I think this is the message of the plant teachers, not only 'You monkeys need to wake up,' but 'You monkeys need to get over yourselves. You monkeys only think you're running the show. You're not running the show.' If anything, the plants are running the show.”
“Religions, established religions tend to want you to take a lot of things on faith for which there's not a shred of evidence. And so the doctrines and the dogmas become essentially political institutions, they become instruments for keeping people in line, don't ask too many questions, just accept it.”
“One of the maybe adverse side effects of psychedelics is that they'll make you think you're the messiah, or you somehow have to play a role in this.”
“I think ayahuasca is perfectly capable of finding the people it needs, and the people who need to find ayahuasca will find it. And there's no need for cults or movements or very much human intervention, although a lot of people will be convinced that we must do this.”
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May 11, 2011 • 1h 8min
Podcast 265 – “Lawyers Lie”
We are saddened to report that Eric Hart suffered a heart attack and died quite suddenly on December 9, 2011. He will be deeply missed.
Guest speakers: Eric Hart and Matthew Pallamary
PROGRAM NOTES:
“[If you are in police custody] Never say a word. Don't ever talk to the cops under any circumstance. If you're a suspect, or you're being arrested, nothing can be gained from it. They will twist whatever you say. It can only be used against you, just like the famous Miranda advisement. You have a right to remain silent. So remain silent. Even if they're yelling and screaming at you to talk, refuse to talk. That's a basic right that you have. It's one of the only effective rights we have left from the Bill of Rights. So exercise that right, or else whatever you say will be twisted around, and it will end up leading to your conviction.” -Eric Hart, Attorney ... Email: LawyersLie (at) ymail (dot) com ... Web site: www.EricDHart.com
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Lawyers Lie (paperback) Lawyers Lie (Kindle edition)
Spirit Matters (paperback) Land Without Evil (paperback)
Spirit Matters ... Kindle Edition
Land Without Evil ... Kindle Edition


