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Lorenzo Hagerty
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Jun 6, 2013 • 1h 8min
Podcast 354 – “Pre-End of the World Special”
Guest speakers: Michael Garfield & Matt Pallamary
PROGRAM NOTES:
Today we only go back in time a short way, back to December 12, 2012 when Matt Pallmary and Michael Garfield took a break during their work on the stage production of Matt's novel, “Land Without Evil”, in Austin, Texas. In this wide ranging discussion between salon favorite, Matt Pallamary, and long time saloner, burner, artist, and musician, Michael Garfield, one of my favorite topics was Michael's very positive take on the long-term impact of the work of Terence McKenna, regardless of the fact that the Timewave theory had obviously been disproven. Michael is also a regular performer on the festival circuit, and his schedule may be found online at
Michael Garfield.net
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The Psychedelic Salon Magazine
Degenerate Art: The Art And Culture Of Glass Pipes
“Is Ecstasy the Key to Alleviating Autism Anxiety?”
Horizons 2012: CHARLES S. GROB, M.D - “Why Psychedelics Matter”
Videos from the Festival Circuit
Star Maker by Olaf Stapledon

May 27, 2013 • 1h 21min
Podcast 353 – “Inflationary Evolution”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“Biology seems to be a chemical strategy for amplifying quantum mechanical indeterminacy so that it leaves the subatomic realm and can be present in a hundred and forty five pound block of meat.”
“Chaos is roving through the system and able to undo, at any point, the best laid plans.”
“Because the planetary culture is becoming ever more closely knitted together all its parts are becoming co-dependent.”
“National governments are under paid, under staffed, and under talented.”
“Don't worry. You don't know enough to worry. . . . Who do you think you are that you should worry, for cryin' out loud. It's a total waste of time. It presupposes such a knowledge of the situation that it is, in fact, a form of hubris.”
“In the way that the 15th Century discovered the New World, the 20th Century discovered the parallel continuum.”
“The drugs of the future will be computers. The computers of the future will be drugs.”
“Our medium is meat, but we are made of information.”
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Books mentioned in this podcast
Faster Than Light: Superluminal Loopholes in Physics [Paperback]
by Nick Herbert
Quantum Reality: Beyond the New Physics [Paperback] by Nick Herbert
A Vision by W. B. Yeats

May 25, 2013 • 60min
Podcast 352 – “The Amazing Thing About Psychedelics”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“I think that this is the most important fact about our situation on this planet, and it's discovered over and over again over the past hundred thousand years, that there's somebody else, something else, somewhere else HERE! And anybody that says they understand it is bullshitting.”
“You see, the amazing thing about psychedelics is it doesn't depend on a state of grace. It doesn't depend on allegiance to a leader. It doesn't even depend on a special diet or theological predilection The astonishing news about these psychedelic experiences is: You don't have to go to India for ten years. You don't have to be chosen by Baba-G. This works for most people, and would probably work for you.”
“If you think that you've got it all figured out, and you haven't ever had an intense, boundary-dissolving psychedelic, then you're absolutely out to lunch. You don't know what's going on. It's like the opinions of eleven year old boys about sexuality.”
“You can actually go from birth to the grave and never experience [a psychedelic trip] if you are sufficiently sold out to a sufficiently idiotic culture.”
“I think that there is some truth to the notion that the reason we are alive is to learn the path out of the labyrinth, and that shamanism is a rehearsal for death.”
“We share this planet with some other kind of entity, and culture is a way of sealing us off from this fact.”
“Psychedelics catalyze the imagination, inform the population, and allow people to entertain larger perspectives than the completely piss-ant perspective that they're being given by the popular media.”
“We must not consume. We must produce, as a community. The psychedelic community must produce art, not consume it. If they get it flowing the other way and we begin to consume it then we are depotentiated.”
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Books mentioned in this podcast
The Idea of the Holy by Rudolph Otto
The Essential Kierkegaard by Søren Kierkegaard

May 14, 2013 • 1h 11min
Podcast 351 – “What Is Truth?”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“Why does mathematics describe nature. That's a deeper question than most.”
“The real justification for psychedelics is that they feed new data into your model.”
“If you go to Paris you know more about reality than people who don't. If you smoke DMT you know more about reality than people who don't.”
“So the idea is to triangulate a sufficiently large number of data points in your set of experience that you can make a model of the world that is not imprisoning. That's why, second to psychedelics, I think travel is the most boundary-dissolving, educational enterprise that you can get mixed up in.”
“I think the experience over the past thousand years is that ideology is poisonous. . . . The world seen through the lens of ideology is a very limited world.”
“I think what electronic culture permits is incredible diversity, and what the print-created world demanded and created was tremendous suppression of diversity.”
“Television is, to my mind, the most insidious drug that the 20th Century has had to deal with.”
“The Internet is the global brain, the cyberspacially connected, telepathic, collective domain that we've all been hungering for.”
“The psychedelic species of visual beauty is something we don't see in our furniture styles and our architecture. It seems to be coming in, literally, from another dimension, and yet it is undeniably moving. It's beautiful.”
“Niagaras of beauty are flowing by untapped by ordinary consciousness. . . . Would that we could send robots who could film these psychedelic realities. . . . The presence of so much beauty is an argument to me that truth cannot be far away.”
“In the Newtonian and print-created social space that we're walking around in you are like a self-extracting archive that hasn't self-extracted itself yet. And then you take psilocybin and you self-extract and unfold.”
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Three Halves of Ino Moxo : Teachings of the Wizard of the Upper Amazon
by César Calvo (Translated by Ken Symington)
Present Shock: When Everything Happens Now
by Douglas Rushkoff
Shamanism, Colonialism, and the Wild Man: A Study in Terror and Healing
by Michael Taussig

May 8, 2013 • 59min
Podcast 350 – “Healing Through Sound and Ayahuasca”
Guest speaker: Hamilton Souther
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Hamilton Souther.]
“Even they [the shaman] do not know what ayahuasca is, because you're never experiencing ayahuasca. You are always experiencing ayahuasca plus you, and that combination is not ayahuasca. That combination is you and ayahuasca. And that means ayahuasca then is undefinable, we don't know what it is, which then always allows us to continue to explore the unknown. And it becomes an unlimited journey for us to be able to continue to go further and further and further in our understanding.”
“The shamanism becomes a guide, and the ayahuasca becomes a guide for an exploration of the purity of consciousness.”
“[When interviewing a shaman] especially look at everybody in the eyes. The eyes in ayahuasca tell you everything. If you see people with eyes that get really glossed over and become really shifty, it's letting you know something there is going on that maybe you don't want to become like that. Maybe that's not why you're there.”
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Hamilton Souther, Medicine Hunter
Blue Morpho Ayahuasca Center

Apr 30, 2013 • 1h 36min
Podcast 349 – “A Higher Dimensional Sectioning of Reality”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“Just because you have a nut theory it doesn't mean that you agree with other nut theories. In fact, it often makes you very hostile to them. After all, there's a limited pool there that we're all after.”
“Because I believe psychedelics are a kind of higher dimensional sectioning of reality, I think they give the kind of stereoscopic vision necessary to hold the entire hologram of what's happening in your mind. The old paradigm is gone.”
“Shamanism is about shape shifting. Shamanism is about doing phenomenology with a tool kit that works.”
“I think psychedelics are sort of like doing calisthenics in preparation for the marathon at the end of time.”
“[Psychedelic experiences are] beyond the reach of cultural manipulation, and discovering this and exploring it is somehow the frontier of maturity. Culture is a form of enforced infantilism. It's the last nursery, and most people never leave it.”
“It doesn't matter what your cultural conditioning is, it falls into question under the influence of the psychedelic. And for most people that's frightening.”
“We are the damaged heirs of a damaged cultural style which has been practiced now for about seven thousand years.”
“There is an intelligence in the species that is deeper than the societies and the systems that we erect to rule us, and this wisdom of the species can make enormous changes in the evolution of the mass psyche, such as the Renaissance for example.”
“Impressionism [in painting] is simply twenty minutes into LSD.”
“Belief is a form of infantilism. There is no ground for believing anything.”
“I believe that great weirdness stalks the universe. That's not the issue with me, but it is not tacky. It is not tacky.”
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Apr 23, 2013 • 1h 4min
Podcast 348 – “Entheogens and Plant Medicines”
Guest speaker: Dr. Naughtilee
PROGRAM NOTES:
Today's program features the 2012 Palenque Norte Lecture that Dr. Naughtilee gave at the Burning Man Festival. Natalie is a Licensed Naturopathic Doctor in private practice in San Francisco. Naturopathic Medicine is a unique, holistic healthcare system that promotes a proactive, preventative approach to health and wellness, blending the science of modern medicine with the wisdom of the natural healing arts. In this engaging talk, and through interaction with her audience, Dr. Naughtilee discusses some of the foods, medicines, and poisons that we obtain from plants and helps us to better realize what a deep connection we humans have to the plant world.
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Apr 9, 2013 • 1h 10min
Podcast 347 – “This counts, somehow it matters”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“Our best efforts are nothing more than half-completed stories told around the campfire. We don't actually know what our predicament is. We are up against a phenomenon which we can barely bring into focus in our cognitive sphere, and it's the phenomenon of our own existence”
“These religions that are so freighted with their own pomposity are no better than inspired guesses.”
“Science works its miracles by turning its enterprise into a kind of parlor game confined to the category matter and energy.”
“In other words, all these things you might cling to, Catholicism, democratic ideals, Hasidism, Marxism, Freudianism, all of these things are exposed [through use of psychedelics] as simply quaint cultural artifacts, tainted masks and rattles assembled by people of good intent but clearly not great grasp of the situation.”
“To date, the enterprise of thinking has moved us radically away from understanding anything.”
“For me, what all these years of psychedelic taking came to was a new model of how reality works, a new model of what the world is.”
“And what is the primary datum? It's the felt presence of immediate experience. In other words, being here now is the primary datum.”
“We need a metaphor that can contain the demon of the future that we have conjured into being.”
“Fine tuning the institutions built by powdered wig guys two hundred years ago is a long shot at holding the whole thing together.”
“Now, through the catalytic interaction with technology, the human species is getting set to redefine itself.” [Note: this comment was made a dozen years before the iPhone was released.]
“As I see it, Being, the Cosmos, whatever you want to call it, is a struggle between two implacable forces: Novelty on the one side and habit on the other side.”
“The sensory ratios that are being reinforced by the new electronic technology are like the sensory ratios that were in place fifteen thousand years ago. . . . Print imposes a condition on human mind which is now lifting.”
“History was an incredibly damaging experience, and now it's over . . . in a sense.”
“What was created by the era of the proper gentleman was excellent table manners and genocide over most of the surface of the planet.”
“To me, the psychedelic experience is the experience of trying to make sense of reality.”
“If psychedelics are, on any level, to be taken seriously as catalyzers or expanders of consciousness, then we need them, because it's an absence of consciousness that is making this historical transition so excruciating.”
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MAPS Psychedelic Science 2013 Conference
Books Mentioned in this podcast
Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins Of The Internet
By Katie Hafner

Apr 5, 2013 • 1h 8min
Podcast 346 – “Critical Intelligence”
Guest speaker: Bruce Damer
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A brief history of Palenque Norte (video)
PROGRAM NOTES:
Bruce Damer takes the 2012 Palenque Norte audience at the Burning Man Festival on a far flung journey into what he calls his practice of "global multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-technic shamanism" where you "put yourself on the shelf" and dive deeply into the worlds of Pentagon think tanks, NASA mission designers, the tribal cultures of Pakistan, the Swiss, Egyptologists, IT professionals, and Christian Evangelicals, to come back with the true alchemical gold. With apologies to Terence McKenna, he says "there is no dominator culture" and that if we aren't careful we can collectively fall for cartoon epistemologies, chase chains of weaker and weaker claims, and become a victims of our own delusions, and fall prey to others' unsubstantiated theories. Bruce advises everyone to become their own best skeptic and develop "critical intelligence". If someone says something that strikes you as flaky or just doesn't feel right, Bruce suggests that you think it through before you pass on their meme.
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Check out all of the projects Bruce talks about at his personal site at: www.damer.com
Dr. Bruce’s Levity Zone Podcast

Mar 21, 2013 • 1h 30min
Podcast 345 – “Transhuman Encounters”
Guest speaker: Terence McKenna
PROGRAM NOTES:
[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]
“We now know enough to fantasize realistically about what the alien would be like, and I think that this then sets up polarities in the collective psyche that previously we have only seen at the level of the individual.”
“By passing into the psychedelic phase, the space-faring phase, the entire species is passing into adolescence.”
“The question is being asked, 'Are we alone?' ” And though we now focus on that question we need to think beyond that to what if we're not alone? Then what becomes the next imperative question?”
“People are, in the confines of their own apartments, becoming Magellans of the interior world and reaching out to this alien thing and beginning to map it and bring back stories that can only be compared to the kind of stories that the chroniclers of the New World brought back to Spain at the close of the 15th century.”
“Actually, this is what has led us into this extremely alienated state, it's that we haven't demanded that the stories we tell ourselves about how the world works confirm our direct experience of how it works.”
“In the last eight years we have undergone like a second Neolithic revolution. The first Neolithic revolution was the invention of agriculture. The second Neolithic revolution was the invention of home fungus cultivation.” (from a November 1983 lecture)
“I don't think that mass drug taking is a good idea. But I think that we must have a deputized minority, a shamanic professional class if you will, whose job is to bring ideas out of the deep black water and show them off to the rest of us and perform for our culture some of the cultural functions that shaman perform in pre-literate cultures.”
“The word 'self' is as great a mystery as the word 'other'. It's just a polarity between two mysteries.”
“For all we know, we know nothing.”
“You have to take seriously the notion that understanding the universe is your responsibility, because the only understanding of the universe that will be useful to you is your understanding.”
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Books mentioned in this podcast
Present Shock: When Everything Happens Now
by Douglas Rushkoff
Against the Grain [Kindle Edition]
Joris-Karl Huysmans (Author)


