
Agile and Project Management - DrunkenPM Radio
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Nov 21, 2024 • 43min
Bad Choices in Every Direction with Galen Low
In this conversation, Galen Low, co-founder of the Digital Project Manager and host of the Digital Project Management podcast, shares insights into the evolving world of digital project management. He discusses the complexities of decision-making under pressure, emphasizing the significance of trust and integrity in client relationships. Galen highlights the importance of learning from experiences, navigating stakeholder expectations, and fostering a humane work culture. He advocates for continuous development and the necessity of communication in a dynamic environment.

Oct 8, 2024 • 21min
Overcoming Fear as a Non-Technical Project Manager with Kay Keizer
Summary
In this conversation, Dave Prior and Kate Kaiser discuss the challenges faced by non-technical project managers, particularly in overcoming fear and embracing difficult conversations. Kate shares her experiences in project management, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness, communication, and building trust with clients. They explore strategies for managing energy and maintaining transparency in client relationships, ultimately highlighting the significance of creating positive experiences in every interaction.
Takeaways
- Embracing fear can lead to better outcomes.
- Self-awareness is crucial in managing stress and energy.
- Being shameless helps in uncomfortable conversations.
- Asking questions is essential for clarity and understanding.
- Trust and honesty build strong client relationships.
- Every interaction should be a positive experience.
- Fear is a common experience; it's okay to feel it.
- Having a plan B can ease communication challenges.
- Project managers don't need to know everything; leverage your team.
- Building relationships is more important than the project itself.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Kate Kaiser and Her Background
03:21 Embracing Fear in Project Management
06:16 Navigating Non-Technical Challenges
09:17 Self-Awareness and Energy Management
12:09 Honesty and Transparency in Client Relationships
15:19 Building Trust and Positive Experiences
18:26 Closing Thoughts and Conference Preview
To learn more about the 2024 Digital PM Summit
- https://bureauofdigital.com/event/digital-pm-summit-2024
Contacting Kay
- Plank: https://plank.co/
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kayla-keizer/

Oct 1, 2024 • 24min
Unleashing The Power Of Project Management With Val Hinze
Summary
In this conversation, Dave Prior and Val Hinze discuss the evolution of project management roles, the importance of creating a supportive PMO structure, and the significance of servant leadership in fostering a healthy work environment. Val shares insights on how Mighty Citizen has redefined project management to focus on career growth, client relationships, and sustainable practices. The discussion also touches on the upcoming Digital PM Summit and Val's talk about the journey of project management within her organization.
If you'd prefer to watch the video version of this podcast you can find that here: https://tinyurl.com/3nwsmyud
Takeaways
• Creating a structure for project manager success is essential.
• Support from leadership is crucial for project managers.
• Client happiness is a key measure of project success.
• Fostering growth and safety for project managers is rare but necessary.
• Innovating together as a team leads to better outcomes.
• Building sustainable client relationships is a new approach.
• Continuous improvement should be a focus in project management.
• Val's journey reflects the evolution of project management roles.
• The PMO can be a supportive entity rather than a hindrance.
• Val's superpower lies in her ability to adapt and innovate.
Chapters
00:18 Introduction to Project Management and Personal Journey
03:09 Creating a Supportive PMO Structure
06:09 The Importance of Career Trajectory in Project Management
09:06 Fostering a Healthy Work Environment
12:07 Defining Success in Project Management
15:10 Performance Reviews and Growth Opportunities
18:11 Val's Talk at the Digital PM Summit
21:08 Val's Superpower and the Future of PMOs
2024 DIGITAL PM SUMMIT LINKS
Digital PM Summit: https://bureauofdigital.com/event/digital-pm-summit-2024
Val's Speaker Page at the 2024 DPM Summit: https://bureauofdigital.com/val-hinze-dpm-summit-2024
Dave's Speaker Page at the 2024 DPM Summit: https://bureauofdigital.com/dave-prior-dpm-summit-2024
CONTACTING VAL
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/valhinze/
Val at Mighty Citizen: https://www.mightycitizen.com/team/valerie-hinze
Mighty Citizen: https://www.mightycitizen.com/

Sep 23, 2024 • 22min
Leading Creative Teams Through Change with Sara Doubleday
Summary
In this conversation, Dave Prior and Sara Doubleday discuss the complexities of managing change within creative teams, the integration of AI in creative processes, and the importance of maintaining human connections in a remote work environment. Sara shares her experiences with team mergers, the challenges of efficiency versus human connection, and the need for a supportive agency culture that fosters collaboration and creativity. The discussion highlights the nuances of change management and the significance of treating team members as individuals rather than mere processes.
If you'd prefer to watch the video version of this podcast, you can find it here: https://www.projectmanagement.com/blog-post/77403/leading-creative-teams-through-change-with-sara-doubleday
Takeaways
• The role of a creative lead involves clearing blockers for the team.
• AI is a tool to enhance creativity, not replace it.
• Change management requires grace and understanding of individual differences.
• Team dynamics are crucial for successful project execution.
• Building connections in remote teams takes intentional effort.
• Efficiency should not come at the cost of human connection.
• Successful change is a complex, non-linear process.
• Agency culture can significantly impact team morale and productivity.
• Recognizing the value of individual contributions is essential.
• Continuous learning from past experiences is vital for growth.
Chapters
00:18 Introduction to Chaos and Collaboration
03:32 Navigating Change in Creative Teams
06:13 The Role of AI in Creative Processes
13:01 Building and Rebuilding Teams
16:04 Misconceptions About Change Management
19:49 Reflections on Change and Team Dynamics
Digital Pm Summit: https://bureauofdigital.com/event/digital-pm-summit-2024
Sara's Speaker Page at the 2024 DPM Summit: https://bureauofdigital.com/sara-doubleday-dpm-summit-2024
Dave's Speaker Page at the 2024 DPM Summit: https://bureauofdigital.com/dave-prior-dpm-summit-2024
Contacting Sara:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sara-doubleday/
Web: https://www.saradoubleday.com
Seer Interactive: https://www.seerinteractive.com

Aug 31, 2024 • 44min
An interview with Jimi Fosdick of Fearless Agility
Summary
In this episode, Jimi Fosdick joins Dave for a conversation about his journey from traditional project management to agile. They discuss the challenges of applying traditional project management to software development, the importance of understanding the context and problem domain when choosing project management approaches, and the misuse of the term 'agile' in the consulting industry. They also touch on the legacy of Frederick Taylor and the need for a people-centered approach in project management. The conversation explores the challenges of traditional project management and the need for a more empirical and agile approach. They discuss the problems with big upfront planning, the importance of shorter cycle times, and the fear of failure. The conversation also touches on the need for more humane workspaces and the changing nature of work. The principal themes include the limitations of traditional project management, the benefits of an empirical approach, and the evolving workforce and work environment.
Takeaways
• Traditional project management is effective for problems that can be solved on paper upfront, but may not work well for software development.
• Agile approaches, such as Scrum, are better suited for software development and other complex, empirical problems.
• The term 'agile' has become an overloaded and misused brand in the consulting industry.
• Hybrid approaches that combine traditional project management and agile practices can be problematic and may not fully embrace the values and principles of agile.
• A people-centered approach is essential in project management, and the focus should be on collaboration, respect, and solving the right problems. Traditional project management relies on upfront planning, which can lead to longer cycle times and higher failure rates.
• An empirical approach, such as Agile, allows for shorter cycle times and the ability to adapt and change as needed.
• The fear of failure often hinders organizations from embracing more agile and iterative approaches.
• There is a growing emphasis on creating more humane workspaces and allowing for more flexibility and creativity in the workplace.
• The nature of work is changing, and organizations need to adapt to the expectations and needs of the new generation of workers.
Chapters
02:20 Introduction and Background
05:52 The Challenges of Traditional Project Management in Software Development
08:33 Differentiating Scrum from Traditional Project Management
12:13 The Misuse of the Term 'Agile'
14:38 The Problem with Hybrid Approaches
22:17 Legacy Code in Our Heads: Shifting the Project Management Paradigm
26:21 The Benefits of an Empirical Approach
28:46 Overcoming the Fear of Failure
33:18 Creating More Humane Workspaces
39:03 The Changing Nature of Work
Contacting Jimi
- Web: https://fearlessagility.com/
- X: https://x.com/FearlessAgility
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FearlessAgility/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realFearlessAgility/
- Courses on the Scrum Alliance site: https://tinyurl.com/yjc2rtmf
Links from Dave's Intro
- The Art of War for Collaboration Course http://modusinstitute.com/course/art-of-war-collaboration
- Guided Personal Kanban (September 2024)
http://modusinstitute.com/course/guided-pk-sep-usa
The Agile Network*
https://go.theagilenetwork.com/l/web-dprior
Use the discount codes below to get either 20% or 2 months of free access
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Contacting Dave
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/mrsungo

Aug 13, 2024 • 32min
Being a Product Owner with No Direction From Above w Richard Cheng
In this conversation, Dave Prior and Richard Chang discuss the challenges that product owners face when they don't receive the support and direction they need from their leadership. They explore strategies for product owners to navigate these situations, including having open and honest conversations with leadership, running experiments to validate assumptions, and finding mentors or support networks. They also emphasize the importance of understanding the needs and perspectives of stakeholders and users, and the need for product owners to manage their space and hold their ground, even in the face of power dynamics. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of effective communication, collaboration, and continuous learning in the role of a product owner.
Takeaways
* Product owners often struggle when they don't receive the support and direction they need from their leadership.
* Having open and honest conversations with leadership can help product owners gain clarity and alignment on product strategy and goals.
* Running experiments and validating assumptions can help product owners make informed decisions and mitigate risks.
* Finding mentors or support networks can provide guidance and help product owners navigate challenging situations.
* Understanding the needs and perspectives of stakeholders and users is crucial for product owners to make effective decisions.
* Effective communication, collaboration, and continuous learning are key skills for product owners to succeed in their role.
Chapters
04:55 Introduction and Background
07:12 Challenges of Product Ownership
11:49 Taking Initiative and Creating Strategic Direction
17:39 Validating Assumptions and Removing Bias
27:56 Coping Strategies and Social Engineering
31:01 Conclusion and Plug for Richard's Classes
Contacting Richard
Web: www.agilityprimesolutions.com
Email: richard.cheng@agilityprimesolutions.com
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/richardcheng/
Twitter: twitter.com/richardkcheng
Contacting Dave
Linktree: https://linktr.ee/mrsungo
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrsungo/
Links from Dave's Intro
The Agile Network*
https://theagilenetwork.com/
*If you’d like a discount on an annual membership or want to try a month for free, send an email to dave@theageilnetwork.com and let me know.
Agile 2024 Interviews:
https://drunkenpm.blogspot.com/2024/07/agile-2024-all-interviews.html
The Art of War for Collaboration Course
https://modusinstitute.com/course/art-of-war-collaboration
Guided Personal Kanban (September 2024)
https://modusinstitute.com/course/guided-pk-sep-usa
Public Scrum Training CSM/CSPO/A-CSPO
https://www.scrumalliance.org/courses-events/search?tr=14153&cnty=US

Jul 28, 2024 • 54min
The Edge Collection w Si Alhir
Summary
In this conversation, Si Alhir discusses the concepts of agility, resilience, and anti-fragility and how they relate to navigating stress and achieving growth. He emphasizes the importance of embracing stress and using it as a tool for adaptation and evolution. Si also highlights the need for balance between order and disorder, and the dangers of too much of either. The conversation touches on examples such as vaccinations, exercise, and the impact of COVID-19 on individuals and organizations. Si Alhir discusses how ecosystem thinking and the concept of the edge play a role in increasing agility, resilience, and antifragility in organizations. He shares real-life examples of how organizations have leveraged these concepts to overcome challenges and achieve success. Si also introduces the Edge Collection, a set of instruments that help assess and cultivate agility, resilience, and antifragility at the individual, team, enterprise, and ecosystem levels.
Takeaways
- Agility, resilience, and anti-fragility are degrees on a spectrum, not absolute elements.
- Stress is necessary for growth and building resilience, but it must be leveraged intelligently.
- The key is to seek stress and disorder proactively, rather than reacting to it.
- The in-between, or the edge, is where the magic happens and where organizations and individuals thrive.
- Too much order or too much disorder can be debilitating, so balance is crucial.
- The COVID-19 pandemic highlighted the need for adaptability and the challenges of navigating extreme situations. Ecosystem thinking is a worldview that can be applied to organizations, teams, technical architectures, infrastructure, and society.
- Increasing agility, resilience, and antifragility requires exploratory and discovery work to understand what factors contribute to these qualities and how to amplify them.
- The edge is where agility, resilience, and antifragility intersect, and maintaining the tension between these three is crucial.
- The Edge Collection is a set of instruments that assess and cultivate agility, resilience, and antifragility at different levels of an organization.
- Ecosystem enterprises are those that thrive on the edge, balancing stability and adaptability to navigate complex environments.
Chapters
00:00 Podcast Overview and Annoucements
03:08 Introduction and Origin Story
06:24 The Edge: Embracing Stress and Anti-Fragility
13:17 Agility, Resilience, and Anti-Fragility as Muscle Fibers
28:55 Navigating Extreme Situations: Lessons from COVID-19
30:50 Introduction to Ecosystem Thinking and the Edge
33:20 Understanding Ecosystems and Applying Ecosystem Thinking
35:45 The Five E's and Five C's of Ecosystem Thinking
42:26 Introducing the Edge Collection: Assessing and Cultivating Agility, Resilience, and Antifragility
46:24 The Edge: Where Agility, Resilience, and Antifragility Intersect
49:29 Cultivating Agility, Resilience, and Antifragility with the Edge Collection
52:13 Thriving on the Edge: Balancing Stability and Adaptability in Ecosystem Enterprises
Links from the podcast
Contacting Si Alhir
Si’s books on Amazon: https://amazon.com/author/salhir
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/salhir/
The Art of War in the Wild
https://tinyurl.com/3abab6pb
The Edge Collection on Comparative Agility
https://www.comparativeagility.com/capabilities/team-edge-assessment
The Art of War for Collaboration
https://modusinstitute.com/course/art-of-war-collaboration
Guided Personal Kanban Class with Dave Prior and Mark Kilby
https://modusinstitute.com/course/guided-pk-sep-usa
The Agile Network
https://theagilenetwork.com/
Use Promo Code DRUNKENPM8C20 to get 20% off Annual Membership or DRUNKENPM8CM to get 1 Month Free

Jul 18, 2024 • 47min
How to Read Cumulative Flow Diagrams with Colleen Johnson
Summary
In this conversation, Dave Prior and Colleen Johnson discuss the concept of cumulative flow diagrams (CFDs) and their practical application in Agile methodologies. They explore the significance of CFDs in understanding work in progress, cycle time, and throughput. Colleen provides insights into the interpretation of CFDs and the implications for team performance and workflow management. The conversation delves into Little's Law, airport analogies, and the visualization of CFDs to identify patterns and bottlenecks in the workflow. The conversation covers the use of Cumulative Flow Diagrams (CFDs) as a tool for visualizing work in progress and identifying workflow issues. It also delves into the concept of accelerating product value and the importance of learning quickly in product development. The discussion emphasizes the need for small bets and fast feedback to drive product improvement. Additionally, it highlights the challenges of defining and predicting value in product development.
If you would like to watch the original video interview, you can find it here. https://tinyurl.com/55r86tah
Takeaways
- Understanding the practical application of cumulative flow diagrams (CFDs) in Agile methodologies
- Interpreting CFDs to identify patterns an bottlenecks in the workflow
- The significance of Little's Law and airport analogies in understanding CFDs
- Visualizing CFDs to gain insights into work in progress, cycle time, and throughput
- Implications of CFDs for team performance and workflow management CFDs provide a visual representation of work in progress and can be used to identify workflow issues.
- Accelerating product value involves making small bets, learning quickly, and responding to feedback to drive product improvement.
- Defining and predicting value in product development can be challenging, and the focus should be on shipping fast, learning quickly, and enabling rapid response to feedback.
- The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding customer behavior and the need to pivot quickly based on feedback.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast
03:16 Introduction to ProKanban
06:46 Understanding CFDs
09:37 Little's Law and Airport Analogies
04:14:24 Work in Progress and Work Item Age
16:53 Interpreting CFDs and Workflow Insights
27:46 Accelerating Product Value through Small Bets and Fast Feedback
40:48 Challenges of Defining and Predicting Value in Product Development
Contacting Colleen
ProKanban: https://www.prokanban.org
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/colleen-johnson
Email: colleen@scatterspoke.com
Additional Links
The Art of War for Collaboration: https://modusinstitute.com/course/art-of-war-collaboration
Agile Alliance LinkedIn: https://www.agilealliance.org

Jun 27, 2024 • 1h 3min
Thr Art of War with Si Alhir
Summary
In this conversation, Si Alhir and Dave discuss the Art of War, its application in transformation work, and the naturalness and unity found within its wisdom. They explore the concept of taking whole, the relationship with the environment, and the role of the Sage Commander. Si shares personal experiences and insights, emphasizing the transformative power of the Art of War. The conversation delves into the concept of enlightened leadership and the application of the principles from 'The Art of War' in organizational transformation. It explores the distinction between an enlightened ruler and a wise general, the importance of psychological safety, and the shift from a vicious ego-based reality control cycle to a virtuous eco-based reality navigation cycle. The conversation concludes with a powerful story of using the ordinary and the extraordinary to transform toxic organizational dynamics.
Takeaways
• The Art of War is a transformative wisdom that emphasizes naturalness and unity in its application.
• The concept of taking whole and the relationship with the environment are key elements of the Art of War's wisdom.
• The role of the Sage Commander involves patience, relaxation, and an understanding of the natural flow of time and energy.
• Leadership power lies in the individual's ability to navigate the world around them, working with the environment as a partner.
• The Art of War offers tools for practice and learning, requiring a mindful and respectful approach to its application. Enlightened leadership requires awareness and mindfulness in navigating the nature of things.
• Psychological safety should focus on building strong individuals to interact in an unsafe world.
• The application of 'The Art of War' principles can lead to successful organizational transformation.
• The distinction between the vicious ego-based reality control cycle and the virtuous eco-based reality navigation cycle is crucial for effective leadership.
• Using the ordinary and the extraordinary can transform toxic organizational dynamics.
Titles
• Tools for Practice and Learning in the Art of War
• Exploring the Transformative Wisdom of the Art of War Transforming Toxic Organizational Dynamics
• Navigating Psychological Safety and Reality in Leadership
Chapters
00:00 Preroll Intro
02:33 Introduction to the Art of War and Transformation Work
13:42 The Concept of Taking Whole and Unity
29:21 Navigating the Environment as a Partner
33:03 Tools for Practice and Learning
34:05 Enlightened Leadership and 'The Art of War' in Organizational Transformation
36:56 Navigating Psychological Safety and Reality in Leadership
43:43 The Shift from Vicious Ego-Based Reality Control to Virtuous Eco-Based Reality Navigation
59:39 Transforming Toxic Organizational Dynamics
The Art of War in the Wild (May 2024)
Panel #1 - Brad Barton, Mark Ferraro, and Si Alhir
https://lnkd.in/emmnxQut
Panel #2 - Cynthia Chambers, Christine Ferraro, and Holly Fiorello
https://lnkd.in/eZNX6mJB
Panel #3 - Chris Herring, Cynthia Chambers, and Mudasir Ahamed
https://lnkd.in/ed3kyMUB
Panel #4 - John Cherian., Chris Herring, and Dave Prior
https://lnkd.in/eXB7Mm5x
Si's Books on Amazon
https://tinyurl.com/6rjvkucw
Contacting Si
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/salhir/
Dave's Links
Dave's upcoming classes: tinyurl.com/u2vh9zh8
The Art of War for Collaboration: modusinstitute.com/course/art-of-war-collaboration
Contacting Dave: linktr.ee/mrsungo

Jun 17, 2024 • 51min
Did Coaching Kill Agile? w Sandra Cain and Jeff Leach
Summary
In this conversation, Dave Prior is joined by Jeff Leach and Sandra Cain to discuss the question of whether coaching has killed Agile. They explore the role of coaching in Agile transformations and the challenges that arise when underqualified coaches are thrust into coaching roles. They also discuss the difference between coaching and consulting, the importance of understanding one's place as a coach, and the need for range and adaptability in coaching approaches. The conversation highlights the need for a balanced approach that combines both coaching and consulting based on the specific needs of the organization and individuals involved. The conversation explores the importance of first and last impressions in building relationships and the role of emotions in our interactions. It delves into the distinction between coaching and consulting, emphasizing the need for coaches to be unbiased and focused on drawing out the best in others. The conversation also touches on the challenges of internal coaching and the importance of measuring the success of coaching engagements. It concludes with a discussion on the future of coaching and the need for a balance between task-oriented and relationship-oriented approaches.
Takeaways
• Coaching and consulting are both important in Agile transformations, but coaching should not be led with and should be used when appropriate.
• Underqualified coaches can hinder Agile transformations and fail to deliver the promised value.
• Coaches need to understand their place and have humility, as well as the ability to adapt their approach based on the needs of the organization and individuals.
• There is a need for range and adaptability in coaching approaches, as different situations may require different approaches.
• A balanced approach that combines coaching and consulting based on the specific needs of the organization and individuals is crucial for successful Agile transformations. First and last impressions are crucial in building relationships.
• Coaches should be unbiased and focused on drawing out the best in others.
• Internal coaching can be more complex and requires careful design around confidentiality and safety.
• Measuring the success of coaching engagements should focus on moving towards the desired culture and operational rhythm.
• The future of coaching requires a balance between task-oriented and relationship-oriented approaches.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
04:07 The Question: Did Coaching Kill Agile?
05:59 The Challenges of Underqualified Coaches
08:45 Defining Coaching and Consulting
15:32 The Importance of Range and Adaptability in Coaching
28:05 The Power of First and Last Impressions
31:48 The Challenges of Internal Coaching
37:44 Measuring the Success of Coaching Engagements
47:35 The Future of Coaching: Balancing Task and Relationship
Contacting Sandra
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandracain/
Email: coachcain@gmail.com
Contacting Jeff
Web: https://www.adaptivitygroup.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jefferyleach/
Email: jeff.leach@adaptivitygroup.com
Dave's Links From The Intro
Certified Scrum Product Owner July 1-2, 2024 (Use PRIOR50 to get $50 off the list price) https://tinyurl.com/2r8af3uk
Dave's upcoming classes: https://tinyurl.com/u2vh9zh8
The Art of War for Collaboration: https://modusinstitute.com/course/art-of-war-collaboration
Contacting Dave: https://linktr.ee/mrsungo