

Product Thinking
Melissa Perri
Successful product management isn’t just about training the product managers who work side by side with developers everyday to build better products. It’s about taking a step back, approaching the systems within organizations as a whole, and leveling up product leadership to improve these systems. This is the Product Thinking Podcast, where Melissa Perri will connect with industry leading experts in the product management space, AND answer your most pressing questions about everything product. Join us each week to level up your skillset and invest in yourself as a product leader.
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Mar 17, 2021 • 42min
Creating Product-Led Strategy with Oji Udezue
Oji Udezue is the Chief Product Officer at Parsible and was formerly the VP of Product at Calendly. Melissa Perri describes him as “one of the best product leaders I have ever met.” His extensive experience in both B2B and B2C companies, including Microsoft and Atlassian, has given him insight into how to set strategy, even in companies where there is none. He joins Melissa to talk about what it takes to implement a product-led strategy, and how to influence a culture shift in your organization.
Here are some key points from their discussion:
Oji defines being product-led as “increasing customer focus… It means infusing the entire company with this idea that it's more efficient for everyone… to really execute on a really great product that pulls itself forward. And if you can do that then your ability to make profit actually increases…” [2:40]
The role of the CPO is to understand the company goals, vision, and mission and track an efficient product course to achieve that. The CPO’s biggest leverage is deciding what to invest in and what not to, Oji says. [6:13]
A draft strategy is a lightning rod: it gets the discussion started. Oji uses the VMSO (vision, mission, strategies, objectives) framework to draft strategy. Melissa asks him to advise product leaders who want to start drafting a strategy. He urges them to write it down and then socialize it. He also emphasizes that your draft strategy should be good: people should see wisdom and truth in it. [13:10]
Oji predicts that all enterprise companies will become B2C in 10 years. [22:05]
Melissa asks what is product-led growth. Oji defines the term and explains what it takes: a good product with great market fit, a good brand, good word of mouth and virality. [27:02]
You have to expand your addressable market constantly to stay in the game. [30:38]
Oji and Melissa discuss how product leaders can help change their company culture. [33:00]
Resources
Oji Udezue on LinkedIn | Twitter | Medium

Mar 10, 2021 • 22min
Dear Melissa - Answering Questions About Product Transformation
In this Dear Melissa episode, Melissa answers subscribers’ questions about product transformation.
Q1: As the leader of a new product function initiative, what steps can I take to earn the CEO’s trust and create a company culture that embraces an outcome-driven and product-lead mindset? [2:07]
Q2: How can I ensure my company is approaching product transformation in the right way? [7:31]
Q3: How long does it take a strong product manager (junior to intermediate level) to make some positive impact in a company that lacks a good product culture? Should they stick around if there are no big positive changes after a year, or should they move on to try and learn elsewhere? [15:18]
Resources
Melissa Perri on LinkedIn | Twitter
MelissaPerri.com

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Mar 3, 2021 • 47min
Don’t Just Tick the Product Management Boxes, a Conversation with Kate Leto
In this discussion, Kate Leto, an organizational design consultant and product advisor with 25 years of experience, shares her insights on hiring successful product managers. She highlights the importance of both hard and soft skills, advocating for a growth mindset in leadership and teams. Kate explores the role of emotional intelligence in product management and emphasizes the need to prioritize human skills over technical expertise. Additionally, she discusses strategies to improve hiring practices and the impact of diversity on team dynamics.

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Feb 24, 2021 • 26min
Dear Melissa - Answering Questions About Starting a Career in Product Management
Get ready for insights on breaking into product management! Discover how to showcase your relevant achievements on a resume, even without direct experience. Is an MBA essential? Not necessarily! Learn strategies for advancing from senior roles to director positions, emphasizing a balance of user needs and business acumen. Plus, the importance of finding a supportive company that prioritizes mentorship and internal growth is explored. Tune in for tips that could shape your career path!

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Feb 17, 2021 • 21min
Dear Melissa - Answering Questions About Strategy
Creating great products is about the systems, processes, and culture in place that help companies deliver value to their customers. On the Product Thinking Podcast, host Melissa Perri interviews the thought leaders in product development and answers your pressing questions to help you think like a great product leader.
In this Dear Melissa segment, Melissa answers subscribers’ questions about strategy.
Q: How do you convince the CTO of the value of working towards understanding problems rather than defining pre-made solutions? [1:54]
A: Sometimes you just have to demonstrate to them what the customer discovery process is, how it works and why it's valuable, which means you'll have to go out and do it. Figure out how you can define that value, package that up into something that will work for your CTO, and then present it. Start small and demonstrate success.
Q: Do you have any tips for a product leader to make sure that their team gets the big picture and has visibility and ownership end-to-end, including the business success? [9:00]
A: There is often a misalignment of business goals across multiple levels of organizations, which indicates that something is wrong with the product strategy. [I suggest] you over-communicate and ensure that the product strategy is well deployed. Everyone needs to understand what problems they are facing and what goals they are trying to achieve.
Q: What’s your recommendation on building a product strategy at small scale within the product team and leveraging that strategy up to get broader visibility, and buying from leadership and other stakeholders? Does that work? [13:55]
A: Yes, it does work. I would start by finding out if there’s a product strategy that’s been poorly deployed. Figure out the goals that the executives want to achieve, use that opportunity to define said goals, and build your product strategy.
Resources
Melissa Perri on LinkedIn | Twitter
MelissaPerri.com

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Feb 17, 2021 • 40min
How to Succeed as a Senior Product Leader with Georgie Smallwood
Creating great products is about the systems, processes and culture in place that help companies deliver value to their customers. On the Product Thinking Podcast, host Melissa Perri interviews the thought leaders in product development and answers your pressing questions to help you think like a great product leader.
Melissa continues the conversation about strategy, this time from the perspective of the senior product leader. What does it take to be a good CPO? What role does a product manager play in setting strategy for the company? What’s the difference between company strategy and product strategy? Melissa poses these questions to this week’s guest, Georgie Smallwood. Georgie is the Chief Product Officer at Tier Mobility, and the former CPO of N26. She has deep insights into what it takes to create and successfully implement product strategy, and why that is important for autonomy.
Here are some key points from Melissa and Georgie’s discussion:
Your strategy is the connector between your mission and achieving that mission. It narrows your frame of work and space you can operate in, Georgie says. [6:04]
“Creating the strategy is just one part of it. You have to over-communicate all the time. Everything has to come back to it,” Georgie points out. [9:45]
Melissa and Georgie discuss the differing ideas around the concept of autonomy. Should there be autonomy without constraints? What is privileged autonomy? [11:42]
No product strategy framework is better than any other one. What matters, Georgie says, is how effectively you use them and what you do with them. [20:00]
“If you want to change the way that people are doing things in the future, no amount of data is really gonna help you; because there are some leap of faith assumptions that you need to take.” [22:53]
If you want to be a senior leader you need to be an expert in something. You need both hard skills and soft skills to be effective. [35:25]
Georgie answers a Dear Melissa submission. [35:53]
Resources
Georgie Smallwood on LinkedIn | Twitter | Medium

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Feb 17, 2021 • 52min
Thinking Through Product Strategy with Barry O’Reilly
Barry O’Reilly, an entrepreneur and business strategist known for his expertise in business model innovation and product development, shares invaluable insights on crafting effective strategies. He explains how strategy involves making choices and the importance of measuring outcomes. Listeners will learn about common pitfalls for growing companies and the need for cross-functional teams. Barry emphasizes that strategy should evolve over time, requiring continuous evaluation and adaptation to ensure alignment with company values and market needs.

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Jan 21, 2021 • 4min
Introducing Product Thinking with Melissa Perri
Product management has been adopted all over the world in the last decade. But despite its popularity, great product management is still hard to come by. The Product Thinking podcast is setting out to change that. This show will cover:
How product leadership influences organizational systems so that product management can thrive.
What the role of a product manager looks like at every level.
How to invest in yourself as a product manager at every stage of your career.
Product Thinking will have two different kinds of episodes - Dear Melissa, a direct line to Melissa to pose your biggest product management questions, and deep-dive conversations with industry leading experts who are pushing the boundaries of what it looks like to excel in this industry. Melissa Perri is a product management leader turned educator and author who has trained hundreds of people around the world to think like great product leaders. Learn more at Produxlabs.com.