
Fill The Gap: The Official Podcast of the CMT Association
Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. These conversational sessions will explore interviewees’ investment philosophy, process and decision making tools. By learning more about key mentors, early influences and their long careers in financial services, Fill the Gap will highlight lessons our guests have learned over many decades and multiple market cycles. Join us in conversation with the men and women of Wall St. who discovered, engineered, and refined the discipline of technical market analysis to improve your own investment decision making and approach to markets.
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Aug 5, 2022 • 1h 7min
Episode 20: David Keller, CMT
Most market participants have learned that the markets are driven by Fear and Greed. This month’s guest challenges that assumption with the idea that financial markets are ruled strictly by fear alone… Fear of loss, fear of missing out, fear of being wrong. Knowing that humans are not purely rational has helped academic research in the field of Behavioral Finance adapt theories to what technical analysis has proven to work in practice. This month’s esteemed guest has an encyclopedic knowledge of the tools as detailed in the compilation he edited in 2007 for Bloomberg Press: Breakthroughs in Technical Analysis: New Thinking from the World’s Top Minds, as well as a deep understanding of applied behavioral finance. Through his blog The Mindful Investor, Dave explores disciplined routine decision making under conditions of uncertainty.As host of The Final Bar on StockCharts TV and serving as Chief Market Strategist at StockCharts.com, Dave remains closely attuned to today’s market dynamics. This interview discusses the current state of equity markets and the responsible approach investors must take to navigate periods of regime shift.Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Jul 6, 2022 • 1h 20min
Episode 19: Katie Stockton, CMT
Renowned technical analyst Katie Stockton, CMT is Founder and Managing Partner of Fairlead Strategies, LLC, an independent research firm. Additionally this year, she became lead portfolio manager of the Fairlead Tactical Sector ETF - $TACK. Her conservative and unbiased approach to markets has helped clients navigate volatility for 25 years and she has now translated that discipline into an investable strategy. This month’s interview was really a masterclass in how to responsibly analyze markets – top down, multi-timeframes, quantifiable measures, bottom-up corroboration on sectors and individual securities all in a repeatable process. Dynamite takeaways for our listeners in every role of the investment industry. This month’s conversation takes listeners on a journey across three sets of market indicators: trend following, mean reverting and market internals. With each measure there is exact science in the computations of market statistics, but also nuance in how to interpret their message in the context of multiple timeframes and larger market regime shifts. Beyond the commonly used technical tools, Katie also employs ichimoku clouds and the TD Sequential and TD Combo tools from highly decorated market timer, Tom DeMark. Listeners will understand the use of these and many other tools in the context of Katie’s systematic approach to analysis and money management. To better understand the concepts covered, and current market commentary, we recommend reviewing the supplemental resources accompanying this episode using this link https://go.cmtassociation.org/ftge19Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Jun 10, 2022 • 58min
Episode 18: Rusty Vanneman, CMT, CFA
Thirty year veteran of the financial markets, decorated investment manager, leader of investment teams, and communicator of investment strategies joins us this month for a chat amongst old friends.Classmates at Babson and former colleagues at both Thomson Financial and Fidelity Investments, Dave and Rusty can practically end each other’s sentences, so this month’s discussion and debate takes us in many directions, including:Why do investors of high-performing portfolio managers fail to achieve the same returns as the fund?Why is communication of the strategy so critically important, and how can it be done better?Does “Value” work? And, what fundamental drivers help value shares outperform in inflationary regimes?Why is this Radiohead tune Rusty’s chosen walkout song? Competitive Stationary Rowing is a real thing? Rusty is a host of Orion’s The Weighing Machine podcast and authored the book “Higher Calling: A Guide to Helping Investors Achieve Their Goals.” He also serves as the Chief Investment Strategist for Orion Advisor Solutions.Rusty was such a fun guest to interview because he is always candid, full of energy, and has delivered excellence in every stage of his career. Currently, Rusty delivers relevant market-and platform-related content that supports deeper, more engaging conversations with advisors and investors. He is passionate about educating investors to help deliver more favorable outcomes. And as a successful fund manager himself, Rusty excels in identifying new investment offerings to meet growing marketplace demand.To better understand the concepts covered, and current market commentary, we recommend reviewing the supplemental resources accompanying this episode using this link https://go.cmtassociation.org/ftge18 Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

May 24, 2022 • 1h 3min
Special Symposium Episode: Bill Miller IV, CMT, CFA
How does the heir to an iconic value manager find their path into the CMT Program? Where does technical analysis fit into the investment process of Miller Value Partners? What are the limitations of seeing the investing landscape through only one lens? Bringing the CMT Association’s official podcast to the stage of the 49th Annual Symposium Dave Lundgren found answers to all of these questions and more in this fireside chat with Bill Miller IV, CMT, CFA. This wide-ranging discussion covered the process, tools, and approach of Miller Value Partners. Specifically, the use of momentum overlays, support and resistance levels, and core principles of investor irrationality and market trends. Breaking apart the portfolio management process into security selection, portfolio construction, and trade risk management, Bill IV shared how technical analysis became an integral part of their investment process at Miller Value Partners as a complementary framework to fundamental valuation. Enjoy this special release with our special guest Bill Miller IV, CMT, CFA!For complete podcast resources, visit: https://go.cmtassociation.org/ftge17Sym Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

May 6, 2022 • 54min
Episode 17: Laura Martin, CMT, CFA
Timing is everything in the world of technical analysis, and this month we had the distinct honor of bringing the exceptionally talented Laura Martin, CMT, CFA onto Fill the Gap the very day that $NFLX dropped through the floor.Darling of the "stay at home" trade Netflix had buy ratings from 39 other sector analysts. Laura made a massive contrarian call based on her combined technical and fundamental understanding of the markets and her covered stocks.This powerful endorsement of the technical toolkit covers the "micro" applications to individual securities, but also Laura's attention to the "macro" environment since enrolling in the CMT Program nearly a decade ago. Intermarket relationships and historical studies have taken a front seat in 2022 as the paradigm of growth-focused investing has shifted.For complete podcast resources, visit: https://go.cmtassociation.org/ftge17 Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Apr 6, 2022 • 1h 17min
Episode 16: JC Parets, CMT
This month’s guest on Fill the Gap is a household name in the field of technical analysis – one of the most widely read market commentators of this generation and a role model to aspiring financial professionals around the globe. JC Parets, CMT is what you might call “an All-Star.” He has spent years within the community learning from the men and women of Wall St who discovered, engineered, and created the tools and methods we use today.When he is not crushing grapes at Chateau Fibonacci or watching the Miami Dolphins crush rivals, JC and his many colleagues at All-Star Charts are ripping through thousands of charts to see the markets from every perspective. Their comprehensive cross-asset multi-timeframe perspective is at the forefront of what JC brings to the interview this month.In the April episode of Fill the Gap, JC will discuss the emerging data sources made available on-chain and how DeFi terminology is the only difference between these new market internals and the data we’ve seen from traditional equity and futures exchanges for decades.To kick off this month’s episode, we’ve brought the architect of the annual CMT Symposium for the past decade – Bill Kelleher, CMT, CFA who shares a bit about this year’s phenomenal conference, the impact this member community had on his own career, and some fond memories of a young JC Parets discussing the early days of FinTwit with Wall St. legends at the Symposium in 2013.Enjoy episode #16 with our special guest JC Parets, CMT!For complete podcast resources, visit: https://go.cmtassociation.org/ftge16 Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Mar 11, 2022 • 1h 25min
Episode 15: Ian McMillan, CMT
Ian McMillan, CMT, and his colleagues run an RIA in a less-than-traditional approach... They use technical analysis to participate in trends and limit downside risk. For clients who are used to being stuck in a diversified portfolio of passive holdings, the education process can be a paradigm shift.In the March episode of Fill the Gap, Ian will discuss the challenges of non-trending markets, and the coaching his firm does with clients. Starting with the simple concept of a moving average cross, clients begin to understand the philosophy of trend following.Ian does not mince words. Gamecocks 2023! And, markets are not efficient. Emotions and cognitive biases lead to poor investment decisions. The flip side of this is that they also create opportunities for those that have mastered investing without emotion. Ian’s podcast co-host and investing partner David Zarling, CMT developed a money management approach for identifying market leadership, risks, and price trends that was designed to consistently participate in themes of strength. When he is not managing client money, tweeting market observations @the_chart_life, or leading the effort for financial literacy (https://whatisastockbook.com/), Ian is talking with David on their Podcast: The Weekly Trend.Ian McMillan, CMT has been in the wealth management/RIA arena for 11 years. He currently serves as Market Technician at Client First Tax & Wealth Advisors. Prior to his role at Client First, Ian was a Senior Analyst based out of the Washington DC area. Ian spends a portion of his time consulting with other firms in the area as to how they can best incorporate Technical Analysis into their own practices and portfolio management strategies.Ian graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2010 with a Bachelor’s Degree in Finance. Ian then pursued his MBA at The Citadel, with a concentration in Asset Allocation.Enjoy episode #15 with our special guest Ian McMillan, CMT To better understand the concepts covered, and current market commentary, we recommend reviewing the supplemental resources accompanying this episode using this link https://go.cmtassociation.org/ftge15 Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Feb 11, 2022 • 1h 8min
Episode 14: Meb Faber, CMT
When not skiing Lake Louise or surfing off the California coast, this month’s guest is helping investors catch the next big wave in the markets. For our listeners not already familiar, Mebane Faber, CMT is the:- Author of 5 books and editor of 2 compilations- Creator of the Idea Farm – a market research library- Host of the Meb Faber Show, one of the most widely received podcasts on financial topics- Scores of white papers - and hundreds of blog postsAs the co-founder and the Chief Investment Officer of Cambria Investment Management, Faber is the manager of Cambria’s ETFs and separate accounts. This month’s discussion covers all the tools and processes that drive the investment practice of Cambria including, the guiding pillars of value and momentum. Known for advocating for diversified, multi-asset portfolios, this interview tugs at the challenges of global investing and the home bias that has worked to the advantage of American investors during the past decade. As regimes shift, however, leadership may shift again to ex-US equity markets and alternative assets within the commodities space.Mr. Faber graduated from the University of Virginia with a double major in Engineering Science and Biology. This background undeniably shaped his investing practice with a firm grounding in the scientific method. Meb is an ardent researcher exploring the persistent anomalies of the market and continuing to discover and explore the nuances of multiple strategies in practice. For complete resources visit: https://cmtassociation.org/podcast/fill-the-gap-episode-fourteen-with-special-guest-mebane-faber-cmt/Enjoy episode #14 with our special guest Meb Faber, CMTFill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Jan 7, 2022 • 1h 16min
Episode 13: Jim Bianco, CMT
Is the Fed raising rates in 2022? What will happen to equities? What is an NFT and why should I care? How can I hedge my portfolio against inflation? Answers to each of these questions and many more are covered in this month's interview. In the kickoff to season #2 of Fill the Gap, we are joined by one of the best macro strategists on the street – and a man who came close to being a Fed Governor himself! James Bianco, CMT is President of Bianco Research, L.L.C., an Arbor Research & Trading, LLC affiliate based in Chicago. Since November 1990, he has been a highly sought-after Fixed Income Strategist and macro market analyst. A longstanding member of the CMT Association and a familiar face in financial news media, Jim’s commentaries are primarily devoted to fixed income markets, and he places special emphasis on the money flow characteristics of primary dealers, mutual funds, hedge funds, futures traders, banks, and institutional investors. Other topics he has researched include the effects of commodity prices on bond yields, how the ratio of the equity market’s capitalization as a percentage of the nominal gross domestic product affects price performance of the stock market, the role government regulation plays in determining inflation, how market performance affects mutual fund investors, the role politics plays in setting interest rates and measuring the stock and bond markets from a total return perspective. In this episode, we cover all of Jim’s specialties and take a look at the emerging asset class with a clear-eyed description of decentralized finance, the protocols underlying altcoins in the cryptocurrency market, and the proliferation of NFTs.Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org

Dec 10, 2021 • 1h 8min
Episode 12: John Bollinger, CMT, CFA
What are the first principles of the market? Listeners this month will embark on a journey of original research. By examining the life and career of John Bollinger, CMT, CFA we will better understand how to identify the foundational elements of any market and begin the investigative process that leads to robust, durable investment processes. Stripping away assumptions, and digging into how indicators are calculated, how data is structured and represented, and what actually drives price will aid traders and investors worldwide in developing their own process and edge. Fill the Gap covers a lot of ground this month, including: Why volatility is an opportunityWhy delivering consistent returns is far more important than picking market tops and bottomsHow Bollinger Bands and companion indicators were developed and whyWhy optimization misleads system developers toward continuously fragile investment strategiesJohn is a lifelong student of the markets who has observed how structural changes and the advent of new investment vehicles have changed trading for each new generation – from the launch of options to the early days of cryptocurrency trading. From this perspective, he emphasizes how important it is to go back to the original source material and the forgotten legends of the markets who had a more intimate relationship with their trading as all their computation, calculation, and charting was done by hand. This final episode of Season One is a launchpad for further investigation into the markets, demonstrating how thinking like a scientist will help all investors identify tools that provide an edge to the First Principles of the Markets. To better understand the concepts covered, and current market commentary, we recommend reviewing the supplemental resources accompanying this episode using this link: go.cmtassociation.org/ftge12.Fill the Gap, hosted by David Lundgren, CMT, CFA and Tyler Wood, CMT brings veteran market analysts and money managers onto a monthly podcast. For complete show notes of every episode, visit: https://cmtassociation.org/development/podcasts/ Give us a shout:@dlundgren3333 or https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-lundgren-cmt-cfa-63b73b/@_TBone_Pickens or https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-wood-cmt-b8b0902/@CMTAssociation orhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/cmtassociationCMT Association is the global credentialing authority committed to advancing the discipline of technical analysis in the financial services industry. We serve members in over 137 countries. Our mission is to elevate investors mastery and skill in mitigating market risk and maximizing return in capital markets through a rigorous credentialing process, professional ethics, and continuous education. CMT Association formed in the late 1960s with headquarters in lower Manhattan, NY and Mumbai, India.Learn more at: www.cmtassociation.org
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