
UFO
A podcast where artists, musicians and tech creators talk about the future. Hosted by Nick Hollins.
Latest episodes

Feb 2, 2024 • 57min
Songwriting, Music and the Internet in 2024 — Leo Pastel
Leo Pastel is a musician, songwriter, multi-sensory artist and active builder in web3 music from Cincinnati, Ohio.He started releasing music in 2018 and has been involved from early days in the crypto music scene. His first single Woah was a hit with almost 750,000 streams on Spotify. He's produced as part of Songcamp and Camp CHAOS, and performed at FWB Fest in 2023.Leo tells stories about experiences in the gospel scene, growing up in a musical family, and singing as part of the Sunday Service Choir with Kanye. Leo is super prolific talking about music online, sharing opportunities in the web3 space, and co-hosting a weekly live space GRLKRASH talking all things music, with a podcast on the way.Music NFTs have been a hot topic in the US lately after Flyana Boss withdrew an NFT mint because their fans called for them to cancel it. Onchain music is a controversial and unpopular medium at this moment. NFTs have a reputation problem.Meanwhile, Condé Nast announced major layoffs at Pitchfork, gutting the editorial staff. People have since been reflecting on the value of music. How do we appraise and experience it culturally? If we’re making music and no-one’s around to listen, critique, write about it and record into the zeitgeist — does it make a sound?ufo.fmnews.ufo.fmtour.ufo.fm SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioParagraph is where you can create, distribute & monetize - on your own terms. This publishing platform enables creators to mint posts as collectible content and send token-gated newsletters directly to wallet addresses. To get started with these radically powerful tools, visit paragraph.xyzLore is a group wallet experience for co-ownership. Own expensive NFTs, move memecoins markets and win crypto games together. Check out how you could use Lore with your friends to earn more than you could alone at lore.xyz.

Jan 19, 2024 • 58min
Multiplayer Music Communities with Fam — Nick Smith
Nick Smith is a designer from Melbourne, Australia. Founder of Fam, a space for music communities to grow, collaborate and collectively fund creative projects.He’s an OG early member from FWB and helped to organise Soulquest, a collaborative music project featuring Iman Europe, V.C.R, illcamille, and Swarvy, along with visual artists Jamee Cornelia and Shawntel Johnson. The group performed and recorded at FWB Fest in 2023.This project is an inspired homage to The Soulquarians, a loose collective that formed in the late 90s while recording D’Angelo’s acclaimed album Voodoo. Involving members Questlove, D’Angelo, James Poyser and J Dilla along with collaborators Common, Erykah Badu, Q-Tip, Mos Def, Talib Kweli and many others.Nick is intrigued by music collectives through history such as the Wu Tang Clan, The Grateful Dead, Odd Future, and Native Tongues. In late 2023, Nick ignited a pop up group called Cheeks Collective. Spurred by a tweet about exploring ways to collectively stage music events around the world. A telegram group formed with people interested in staging parties, hosted by local producers. A bit like Boiler Room. Positive sum.In this podcast, we talk about Nick’s origins in crypto, as a co-founder from Talisman and projects with Flex Dapps. Ambitions and dreams for onchain music and experimenting in new formats for creating and releasing music on the internet. The revelation of positive sum collabs with artists and people in the community, to help make art, music, and experiences happen.ufo.fmnews.ufo.fmtour.ufo.fm SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioParagraph is where you can create, distribute & monetize - on your own terms. This publishing platform enables creators to mint posts as collectible content and send token-gated newsletters directly to wallet addresses. To get started with these radically powerful tools, visit paragraph.xyzLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to apply

Jan 8, 2024 • 2h 16min
Music, AI and Neural Audio Synthesizers with SEMILLA AI — Hexorcismos + Aiio
Welcome to 2024. We talk about music. Artificial intelligence. Creative practice, processes and collaborative formats. Nascent space. Onchain collectives. Minting works. Experimental music. What it all means.Hexorcismos aka Moisés Horta Valenzuela is an artist, musician and technologist working with generative artificial neural networks over the past 7 years.Based in Berlin, originally from Mexico, his upcoming album MUTUALISMX is coming out on Nicolas Jaar’s Other People on February 15. The record features artists from around the world collaborating with AI models created for each artist’s musical imprint and style.Moisés is the founder of SEMILLA, helping to design and build an astonishing and surreal synthesiser in Iceland using seeds of divination cast into a circle which then produce sounds based on their placement.The SEMILLA AI instrument employs computer vision techniques to translate the coordinates of the thrown maize in the “world-space” interface and utilizes knobs to scale their values. The divinatory practice serves as an interface to inject real-world randomness into the process of synthesizing new sounds using neural networks for sound synthesis.aiio aka Irina is a researcher, community builder and writer bridging across web3 and the underground electronic music and arts communities in Copenhagen. Her creative practice is informed by her collective intellgience research practice. Building spaces that enable people with diverse areas of knowledge to come together and experiment.She's the co-founder of an experimental collective that she started in a garage, co-host of Ethereum meetups in Copenhagen and is currently co-creating a distributed interface for digi-physical communities.As aiio and cattfutur she writes about the concept of space, linking it to human culture, existence, and the need for adaptive ecosystems.ufo.fmnews.ufo.fmtour.ufo.fm SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioParagraph is where you can create, distribute & monetize - on your own terms. This publishing platform enables creators to mint posts as collectible content and send token-gated newsletters directly to wallet addresses. To get started with these radically powerful tools, visit paragraph.xyzLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to apply

Dec 27, 2023 • 1h 8min
Reimagining Content Collecting with Mint & Bello — Adam Levy
Adam Levy is the creator and host of Mint Podcast. Exploring the web3 creator economy, discovering how the creators of today are building the communities of tomorrow. Genuinely of the best podcasts in the space.He is also a founder of Bello, where you can discover actionable insights about your collectors from their wallets and onchain activity through a simple search.We met in November 2022 when Mint and UFO were both early moving media projects on Lens, experimenting with onchain media and web3 social, and how we can use these tools to help establish an audience and a culture and vibe around our releases.We were running in parallel when not many other people in the industry were doing what we’re doing. Turns out that Adam’s journey in creating Mint and figuring out how to build a subscriber base ends up inspiring what he’s building at Bello.They realised how helpful it would be to know more about the collectors of their releases. What these people are doing onchain. Coming up with new ways to assemble an audience.For example, UFO had released our Genesis Pass on Mirror in November 2022, and Adam showed us on Bello that ⅓ of those collectors had a Lens profile. We could see by wallets that minters of the UFO Genesis Pass were also subscribers to UFO on Lens.In this episode we talk about Adam’s early experiences in music, playing drums, the records he was into. How his first experiences hosting a podcast type show including interviews with Mark Cuban and others illuminated a path forward to creating Mint and putting out 7 seasons so far with many big names in crypto, music and entertainment.This episode was recorded while Nick was working from Liverpool for a week, setting up a podcast / radio studio in an apartment in the centre of town. Stay tuned!ufo.fmnews.ufo.fmtour.ufo.fm SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioParagraph is where you can create, distribute & monetize - on your own terms. This publishing platform enables creators to mint posts as collectible content and send token-gated newsletters directly to wallet addresses. To get started with these radically powerful tools, visit paragraph.xyzLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to apply

Dec 15, 2023 • 1h 7min
Memetic Tribes and The Casino on Mars — Rafa & Jihad
Rafa is the founder of Folklore, a community crafting knowledge of connection, lorecraft, and digital realms. An amazing place to discover ideas and pieces of writing thanks to collective curation.Jihad Esmail is a writer, researcher and builder. A media dealer at Forefront proliferating onchain collective creation. Active contributor in the Nouns ecosystem, and various onchain experiments.Our conversation centres on a couple things. The Casino on Mars article written by Matt Huang for Paradigm.‘It’s useful to think of crypto as a new planet that’s being settled. Skeptics see a desolate planet without purpose. Or worse, a haven for an unsavory casino. Optimists see the planet’s potential: a blank slate on which we can build an upgraded financial system and internet platform.’We talk about a research piece written by Rafa, Welcome to the Swarm, in which he’s exploring ideas around swarm theory and how groups form, with an extra interest in how this manifests online.Can only imagine where we’ll be a year from now, when we do this episode again!SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioParagraph is where you can create, distribute & monetize - on your own terms. This publishing platform enables creators to mint posts as collectible content and send token-gated newsletters directly to wallet addresses. To get started with these radically powerful tools, visit paragraph.xyzLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to applyBonfire is the no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands & communities. UFO listeners also get a free 1-month trial to Bonfire Pro. Claim this offer at bonfire.page/ufo

Dec 1, 2023 • 1h 14min
Minting Blank CDs with Songcamp — Matthew Chaim
Matthew Chaim is a founder of Songcamp which is an artist collective and creative studio experimenting with songwriting camps and emergent technology to unlock new ways of creating and releasing music on the internet.Started in 2021, Songcamp has run three online songwriting camps with over 50 emerging musicians from around the world. The music they created was released via compilation projects as onchain immersive collections.We talk about all three of the previous Songcamp releases to date: Genesis, Elektra, and CHAOS ~ the epic headless band with 77 contributing artists. Leading up to their latest, C4 which drops today!C4 is an imaginative collection with 15 contributing artists producing 5 songs. Audiences are invited to mint blank CD NFTs which can be used to write music to disc. We wander in conversation about music, technology, internet collectives, how Matthew likes to write and produce music, and other esoteric and musical topics.SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioInterface is a mobile companion for Ethereum travellers. Connect with people and communities you’re a part of, stay updated with their onchain footprint through activity feed and notifications, read, watch and listen to onchain media – all in one place. Visit interface.socialLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to applyBonfire is the no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands & communities. UFO listeners also get a free 1-month trial to Bonfire Pro. Claim this offer at bonfire.page/ufo

Nov 2, 2023 • 1h 10min
Bringing the World Onchain with Base — Jesse Pollak
Jesse Pollak is contributor #1 at Base. A new Ethereum L2, incubated by Coinbase and built on the open-source OP Stack.We talk about Jesse’s origin stories in tech and being early to join Coinbase. Where he served as lead for all Retail engineering, including building Coinbase, Coinbase Pro, and Coinbase Wallet.What does it mean to bring the world onchain? We go behind the scenes to discover ‘how did this get made?’ in relation to Coinbase and Base. How the idea to do something radical like decentralise Coinbase and bring the whole org onchain set things in motion, and led to Base being developed like a breakaway startup from within.You'll hear stories about how it’s working behind the scenes for players in this onchain movement including Base, Zora and Optimism. We look back on Onchain Summer from August and highlight projects including Basepaint, Happy Friday coffee by thepark, create.fun, Paragraph and Lore. SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioInterface is a mobile companion for Ethereum travellers. Connect with people and communities you’re a part of, stay updated with their onchain footprint through activity feed and notifications, read, watch and listen to onchain media – all in one place. Visit interface.socialLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to applyBonfire is the no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands & communities. UFO listeners also get a free 1-month trial to Bonfire Pro. Claim this offer at bonfire.page/ufo

Oct 25, 2023 • 1h 11min
Creating Within the NFT Mania with Zen Academy — Zeneca
Zeneca is the founder of Zen Academy, a space designed to be a helpful community to learn about about web3 and NFTs.Former professional poker player. Speaker and content creator, writing about crypto, web3, NFTs, and the future of the internet.A catalyst for a community which spun up during the 2021 NFT mania. Zeneca first appeared on Twitter back in those days, initially posting daily NFT stats. In the hype of the time, many creators reached massive social followings, and today Zeneca has 370,000 followers on X.We talk about the future of the internet. Opportunities in onchain media. Adapting when your business model disappears along with NFT royalties. Highlights from the blur that was the NFT boom.About Zeneca’s interest in stoicism, and well founded concerns about mental health and burnout from being maxed out when you are extremely online. The need to have balance in our lives, physical fitness, sleep and touching grass when dealing with the drug feed which can be the internet signal.SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioInterface is a mobile companion for Ethereum travellers. Connect with people and communities you’re a part of, stay updated with their onchain footprint through activity feed and notifications, read, watch and listen to onchain media – all in one place. Visit interface.socialLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to applyBonfire is the no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands & communities. UFO listeners also get a free 1-month trial to Bonfire Pro. Claim this offer at bonfire.page/ufo

Oct 18, 2023 • 1h 3min
Revolutionising Websites for Artists and Fans with Bonfire — Matt Alston, Melissa Zhang
Matt Alston and Melissa Zhang are co-founders of Bonfire. The no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands and communities. A place for artists to connect with their fans and design exclusive experiences.A nexus point for all your releases across onchain media, NFTs and creative works. It looks to be a sign of where things are headed as we evolve out of the web2 social media paradigm. These platforms and algorithms are super demanding of creators’ time. The ideal is maximising your control over your own connection to your audience and community.We talk about the origins of Bonfire and the opportunities to be found in new models for artists on the internet.SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioInterface is a mobile companion for Ethereum travellers. Connect with people and communities you’re a part of, stay updated with their onchain footprint through activity feed and notifications, read, watch and listen to onchain media – all in one place. Visit interface.socialLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to applyBonfire is the no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands & communities. UFO listeners also get a free 1-month trial to Bonfire Pro. Claim this offer at bonfire.page/ufo

Oct 10, 2023 • 1h 5min
Community for Culture-Makers with Take Up Space — Paff
Paff is a co-founder of Take Up Space. A community, creator collective and media company for culture-makers.Writer, creator and speaker based in Scotland, previously from Australia. Who created Take Up Space with their wife, Hannah Peacock. Emerging from the covid lockdown experiences of 2020 into 2021. Through community, events and media, their goals are to create opportunities for POC & queer voices to take up space as their most authentic selves.We talk about earlier times on the internet, music forum culture, meeting people IRL through music festivals, dance floors and events. How shifting economic forces in cities around the world are making the artist lifestyle much more difficult to sustain than even 10-20 years ago, as culture is pushed to the edges.How organizations like Take Up Space are helping to meet this gap in experience for culture makers, as much of our lives go digital, and we seek connection with like minded people from around the world, and in our local communities.SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioInterface is a mobile companion for Ethereum travellers. Connect with people and communities you’re a part of, stay updated with their onchain footprint through activity feed and notifications, read, watch and listen to onchain media – all in one place. Visit interface.socialLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to applyBonfire is the no-code website builder for web3 creators, brands & communities. UFO listeners also get a free 1-month trial to Bonfire Pro. Claim this offer at bonfire.page/ufo
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