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Jun 21, 2025 • 7min

Max Scheler on The Human Place in the Cosmos

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Jun 19, 2025 • 1h 50min

The Infinite Intimate: Cosmic Eros, Sacred Story, and the Anthro-Ontology of Value

Marc Gafni, a philosopher and spiritual teacher known for his Unique Self theory, and Zak Stein, an educational theorist examining consciousness and culture, dive into the relevance of philosophy in today's crisis. They discuss how shared values are crucial in a world of conflict and explore the transformative nature of love and narrative in shaping our understanding of existence. The conversation highlights the interconnectedness of personal identity and divine qualities, emphasizing a new narrative that transcends traditional paradigms and values intimacy and self-awareness.
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Jun 13, 2025 • 1h 22min

Truth and the World Soul with Matt Segall

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Jun 8, 2025 • 2h 16min

In Defense of Participatory Platonism: Against the Algorithmic View from Nowhere

The podcast dives into the intersection of data science and Neoplatonism, exploring the biases embedded in AI and advocating for a cultural counter-practice in data science. It critiques algorithmic discrimination and examines the profound implications of technology on human flourishing. Discussions on the importance of materiality, the ritualistic aspects of science, and the philosophical implications of conscious machines further enrich the dialogue. Ultimately, it emphasizes the need for a nuanced understanding of knowledge, blending historical insights with modern challenges.
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Jun 6, 2025 • 31min

Between Earth and Empire: Cosmopolitical Democracy Beyond the Liberal Horizon

Friends, fellow process thinkers, activists, and those concerned with the course of our civilization: thank you for your attention, and thank you also to Tripp Fuller and Aaron Simmons for inviting me to contribute a lecture to this summer summit focused on democracy—Democracy in Tension. I've been invited to tease out how I understand the relationship between democracy and religion.In the United States at the moment, a certain form of Christian nationalism appears to be ascendant, though the men involved in actually running the government seem to display virtues and vices that bear little resemblance to my understanding of the teachings of the gospels. We find ourselves in a situation today not unlike 1920s and maybe even 1930s Germany, when there was a populist uprising driven by economic inequalities. It was an inter-war period then, and we certainly are increasingly at war today. The wars already underway are threatening to spiral out of control towards what has twice now been referred to as a world war. The last having been ended by nuclear weapons, the next will be started and presumably ended quite quickly with nuclear weapons.So we find ourselves in quite a crisis moment. Of course, as we've all grown tired of hearing, crisis also signals opportunity. There is an opening occurring, and I think the invitation is one that I feel is really about asking us to speak into this opening, this potential. The kairos is offering us a variety of ways forward, and we have to decide which we want to take.This may in fact be a lost cause. But as Josiah Royce pointed out, to be loyal to a lost cause is not to be deceived. It is to insist that the meaning of life lies not in what we win, but in what we serve.I'm going to share some thoughts about political power and political theology. I'm going to talk about Carl Schmitt and Bruno Latour and Alfred North Whitehead and others about the situation we find ourselves in and the ways forward. What I share with you today is really a summary of a longer chapter in a volume called From Force to Persuasion: Process Relational Perspectives on Power and the God of Love (Wipf and Stock, 2024).Reimagining CivilizationThose of us who are trying to wrest from the ruins of industrial civilization the possibility of an ecological civilization have to reckon with the fact that every civilization to have existed up until this point has been imperial and exploitative of people through various forms of slavery and economic oppression, and through its extractive relationship to the natural world—to the living systems of this planet, to the minerals and the fossilized fuels that we have harvested to power this very temporary blip, this petroleum interval.Those resources will run dry, and we like to imagine the economy can somehow continue as a perpetual motion machine of some kind, as if it didn't need new energy inputs from its biological and ecological environment, and as if it didn't produce all of this waste that goes back into the environment. The economy is actually a subset of the earth's ecology—obviously—but we haven't been acting that way.So we find ourselves in a situation where civilization needs a reboot, needs a ground-up reimagination—and literally ground up. It needs to be re-imagined in the context of a living earth, Gaia, as its primary god, as Latour describes in his Gifford lectures Facing Gaia (watch my lectures on Latour’s book: part 1, part 2). To enter into this new geological epoch (following on the Holocene), or perhaps era (following on the Cenozoic), we need to become earthlings. We need to adopt a new natural theology, a new religious outlook and ritual. We need to adopt new rituals to help bring us into sync with this wider reality that we have been ignoring for most of modernity.Wrestling with Carl SchmittLet's start with Carl Schmitt. We need to wrestle with Carl Schmitt. He's a bit of a paradox: he's a razor-sharp critic of liberalism, but he was also the crown jurist of the Nazi party, at least for several years when Hitler first took power. I think we both have to listen to and appreciate his arguments and criticism of liberalism, but we also have to find an alternative response to his fascism. He's diagnosing real weaknesses of modern constitutional liberal democracies, but he's turning those insights towards a justification of dictatorship and fascism.My aim here is to follow the arc of Schmitt's argument but to bend it—to bend it in a Whiteheadian direction away from authoritarianism and fascism and towards pluralistic democracy and cosmopolitics. Here, cosmopolitics means not the cosmopolitanism of, say, Kant, but the Gaian natural theology of Latour, where the cosmos being integrated with the political is an opening of the closed society of the modern liberal imaginary. We thought that there was something called human society over here and then nature over there, and that human society through the application of technology could master and control nature so as to win itself ever greater freedom. That bifurcated understanding, for Latour, is no longer viable. The planet itself won't allow it. So we're forced to shift to a more cosmopolitical ground—not reifying this division between the human and nature. That's what cosmopolitics would entail.We're going to talk about Latour, we're going to talk about Whitehead, we're going to talk about philosophical personalism. We're going to talk about whether a process-relational metaphysics can help us move forward into an ecological civilization in a way that would overcome the exploitative and imperial tendencies of prior civilizations, so as to inhabit the earth in a just way. Can a process-relational metaphysics redeem civilization and offer us a way to preserve democracy in the face of rising authoritarianisms?Schmitt's Five NeutralizationsSchmitt famously surveys five what he calls neutralizations in the modern period. It begins with the theological neutralization in the 16th century and then moves through the metaphysical, moral, economic, and finally the technological neutralization. For Schmitt in the early 20th century, technology had become the new anti-religion that pretends to be neutral, to be above all value. Schmitt already saw in 1929 and earlier how mass media could turn war into peace, oppression into freedom, just through the sheer power of suggestion.This print technology allowed for a kind of mind control. And radio—which of course Hitler would insist that every German family have the Volksempfänger (the voice of the people), a little radio machine in their living room so that he could speak directly to them—in this technological age, the possibility of mind control at a mass scale becomes possible. Even before Orwell would later name this trick "Newspeak," Schmitt was already hip to it. He heard it crackling through the Volksempfänger.This diagnosis of Schmitt's still bites in the age of social media. I think we need to take it seriously. Nowadays these algorithmic feeds train us through our addiction to the screen to confuse tribal signal-boosting with truth-seeking. Truth is not a competition. The pursuit of truth is not a competition. And yet the way that our society is set up currently, driven by social media algorithms and the pursuit of a zero-sum game of prestige and power and wealth—that's never going to bring us closer to the truth. It's going to lead to the proliferation of falsehoods or half-truths, which is what we're seeing.So these are very dangerous technologies. Schmitt is saying we are in the period of the technological anti-religion. We might ask in that context whether liberalism can hope to survive as well, because the whole project of liberalism was based on this idea that education and a free press could maintain rational discourse in the public sphere. But now, if it's clear that these media technologies don't so much produce rational discourse but—whether in the form of mass media or social media controlled by algorithms—it's just a more sophisticated form of mind control. The foundations of liberalism don't hold any water in this case.Sovereignty and the ExceptionAgainst what he called liberal normativism, Schmitt asserts that "the sovereign is he who decides on the exception"—his words. Liberal jurisprudence, law, criminal justice, according to Schmitt, is repressing this fact, this need for decision, hiding it behind neutral procedures. But it's clear from Schmitt's point of view that when catastrophe strikes, someone has to declare that the rules no longer apply. There needs to be an exception made by a sovereign who can take control and exert executive action to keep the people safe. Abstract systems, according to Schmitt, can't circle the unthinkable on their flowcharts. They can't calculate the response. Only a person can decide.There's a kind of hidden monarchism in Schmitt—of course, he is Catholic. Maybe it's not so hidden. But Schmitt would accept that democracy is sort of here to stay in the modern world, but he thought that we needed a demagogue to shape democracy by the use of technology, controlling the minds of the populace.Whitehead's Alternative VisionWhitehead would probably agree with Schmitt that secular state political categories are really secularized theological concepts. But Whitehead also flips the flow of influence here. For Whitehead, when Christendom submitted to Caesar and Caesar's lawyers edited Christian theology, they handed to God the attributes of an emperor. In process reality, Whitehead answers with a God who "dwells upon the tender elements of the world," whose power is persuasive rather than coercive.How then can a Catholic like Schmitt build politics on the friend-enemy distinction when the gospel commands "love your enemies"? Force is self-defeating. As Whitehead suggests, organisms require an environment of friends in order to survive and thrive.Whitehead's process philosophy and process theology is an effort to secularize the concept of God's function in the world, as he puts it. This secularization of God invites us to see every creaturely moment of our lives, or any life, as a kind of miniature miracle—an imago Dei. Every moment is a miracle made in the image of God. "The world lives by its incarnation of God in itself," as Whitehead puts it in "Religion in the Making." Therefore, every actual occasion of experience is a locus of novel value that includes the entirety of the prior universe and adds a unique perspective and a unique way of valuing that history.Each one of these occasions, each one of these creaturely miracles, each one of these imago Dei, calls for respect from us, calls out of us a sense of reciprocity, love, rather than domination. Because no creature is separate from any other creature—creatures are made of other creatures. We are made of one another. We are of one body, in fact. So this is an ontology of communion rather than domination.Process thought in this sense converges with the personalists—people like Mounier and Buber, Levinas—who insist that rights flow from the irreducible dignity of persons, not from market contracts, social contracts, or legislative decrees. Rights are not just a construct of human institutions. Rights have a deeper spiritual ground.Beyond Liberal ParalysisLiberals often blush when asked to admit these metaphysical roots for their ideas like human rights. But even John Rawls himself ultimately concedes that the idea that individuals possess natural rights must precede positive law. It's not a construct of law.Here I think we can draw fruitfully on Mary Parker Follett, who was applying process-relational philosophy to management and to governance. She wants to replace the education factory and the tyranny of the majority with what she called relational integration, where activity meets activity and my wants and your wants can evolve together until a creative third possibility emerges.I think if Mary Parker Follett had been present in Weimar in the early 1920s, maybe the liberals who were trying to practice constitutional democracy could have adopted a more participatory form of organization, which thereby may have avoided Schmitt's dire either-or—anarchy or authority. That sharp divide would have lost its edge if Follett's practice of integrating values, rather than thinking of democracy as a zero-sum game that requires compromise of opposed party movements... Follett prescribed an alternative approach whereby, because we remain open to the possibility that our own interests may be transformed when we come into relationship to the interests of others, we may discover other interests, higher interests, as we integrate with the interests of others.Gaia and Political ChoiceWhen we talk about a shift to a more Gaian and ecological civilization, we have to keep in mind that the real enemy of freedom is not other people but the massive habits of physical nature—birth, death, famine, earthquakes. It's not that coming back into union with nature and the erasure of the dichotomy between human beings and nature is going to lead to some perfect harmonious, idyllic, edenic state. Nature is just as much a construct as the idea of a society separate from nature.When Latour calls us to reinhabit Gaia, he's talking about not nature—the unified system known by science according to mechanistic laws or at least statistical laws. Rather, Gaia is something far more chthonic, something animate, something that can't be reduced to a series of mechanisms but that exceeds our conceptual grasp and technological control.Process philosophy also acknowledges the wild, unruly aspects of the natural world. William Connolly, the political theorist, has written several books on the fragility of things and the nature of a nature that is more Heraclitean and Dionysian than Apollonian and Parmenidean. We really have to acknowledge that even if we resolve our political-economic problems and live more within our earthly means, we're still going to face hurricanes and earthquakes, asteroid impacts, and so on.Process philosophy doesn't shrug at this, doesn't despair at this fact. It just interprets catastrophe as a summons to deeper ideals, luring us toward more creative forms of solidarity. Despite the possibility that all might be lost, we still acknowledge the lure that guides us and the sense of love that holds all together and doesn't allow anything to be forgotten.Latour is saying that unlike inert nature—the nature of modern dualism—Gaia is responsive. Gaia is impatient. Gaia is forcing a political choice upon us. Gaia is a political agent in Latour's natural theology. And Gaia is basically framing the situation for us in this way by saying to us: "What people are you forming, and on what territory?"Climate disruption is exposing the fiction of neutral economics and the fiction of universal humanity. The friend-enemy distinction that Schmitt demarcates is marshaled by Latour and reimagined as an account of the line that now cuts through every boardroom, every board, every voting booth. It's a line between Mammon and the community of life on this planet. Profit or planet is basically what it comes down to.A Democracy of Fellow CreaturesWhitehead's democracy of fellow creatures is, I think, one way of rendering what Latour is aiming to inaugurate here: a new kind of constitution, an expansion of Congress such that it would include an additional chamber of representatives who speak on behalf of non-human species, rivers, forests, mountains. Because until we can represent Gaia to ourselves, we will continue to remain deaf to the cry of the earth, as the late Pope Francis put it.We can understand Whitehead's democracy of fellow creatures as an attempt to expand the circle of rights which liberalism limited to human beings—this circle of concern—to expand it beyond Homo sapiens. But to do so requires, first of all, metaphysical candor. We have to admit that rights rest on a spiritual image, a spiritual intuition. This could be rendered in different terms from a variety of religious perspectives—the imago Dei, Buddha nature, or just in terms of Gaia's reciprocity and our grounding in the community of life on earth. We could say: not I, but the Gaia in me.We need economic justice. Even if we have formal liberty—equal protection under the law—that rings kind of hollow without the freedom from hunger and economic precarity. And we need ecological solidarity. In the Anthropocene, our political projects need to transcend anthropocentrism. Otherwise, we are dooming ourselves to extinction.In neoliberal capitalism—the global capitalist marketplace—it's money that's idolized. So we're suffering, all of our societies are suffering, from the curse of money, as we've all referred to it. On the other hand, as we've seen in the 20th century, centralized communism also stifles personal freedom and wrecks the environment. It's not a solution, in my opinion. I think a process-relational cosmopolitical orientation can reject both of these extremes.Beyond False DichotomiesTo return to Schmitt again: his favorite influence was Donoso Cortés, and Cortés saw only two metaphysical options—either an omnipotent god or fall into a nihilistic abyss. I think this sort of dichotomous way of framing our metaphysical situation is anathema to process thinkers. We prefer contrasts and polarities to conflicts and dualisms.For Whitehead, there's a third option here. We can avoid nihilism and the idea of an omnipotent dictator deity by understanding the divine as a lure, a cosmic eros that's operating within all becoming. When that option is on the table, I think this forced choice that Schmitt tries to set up between liberal paralysis and authoritarian fascism kind of dissolves. Decision is still required. These Gaian emergencies that we're facing don't tolerate endless parliamentary debate. But the mode of decision can be participatory. It can be ecological and yet still personal—but personal in a democratic way rather than in a monarchical way, as Schmitt would prefer.What does a processional personhood and a perceptual sovereignty look like, if we can still use that word? Well, it would be imagining sovereignty as not a single decider but a distributed relational intelligence, a mycelial network of citizens embedded in ecosystems and technologies, all co-deliberating. Its sovereignty is an ongoing integration rather than one-off exceptions.Weaving Democracy Back TogetherSchmitt forced us to see where liberalism frayed. I think Whitehead shows us how to weave it back together—at least to weave back together a kind of democratic life together, but a democracy of fellow creatures and not just of isolated individual rational actors severed from history, severed from place, severed from nature.To do this, we need to reimagine not just our anthropology but our theology. We need to let go of this notion of an imperial god mirrored by an imperial state and instead adopt a vision of the divine as persuasive, an alluring logos whose liberating rhythm can pulse through law, through economy, through culture to green our civilization.This is a daunting task. It may indeed be a lost cause. As I said at the beginning: How do we become ecological? How do we become citizens of the earth? I think we need to take seriously Whitehead's invitation to let every decision that we make as people and as a people resonate with the tender elements in the world.We cannot wait for a political utopia that might come after some grand revolution. We have to recognize the ways in which the kingdom of heaven is already with us today, as Whitehead tried to remind us, and step into a new form of ecological solidarity that is enriched by our spirituality and that embraces a plurality of religious perspectives on the nature of spirit, but that brings the world's religions together for a common purpose, which is to care for creation.I think this is the promise of a process theological response to this tension in democracy that we're currently faced with. My hope is that we can meet this tension and not succumb to the temptation for a final solution, but to find a mediating contrast that allows us to preserve the best of the tradition of liberalism, the best of the tradition of socialism, the best of all the virtues of the world's religious traditions, so that we can learn to inhabit this place—the only place we have as human beings. Human beings are not incidentally related to the earth. We are of the earth.The true essence of our species, I would say, the essence of the human being, is as an earthling. We are, to the extent that we are conscious, we are Gaia's consciousness. And fully recognizing that—not just as a belief but as something we can ritually and legislatively embody and scientifically perceive and understand—I think that's our task at this perilous moment.Thanks again for your attention. Get full access to Footnotes2Plato at footnotes2plato.substack.com/subscribe
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Jun 4, 2025 • 1h 42min

Sacred Scrolling: AI and Self-Emptying on Social Media

Roman begins by inviting me to reflect on the developmental roots of human selfhood and how this might relate to machine consciousness. Infants deprived of loving contact often fail to develop a coherent sense of self. From there, we explore the role of mortality, vulnerability, and embodied participation in the formation of consciousness, drawing out the limits of computational models of mind. We then move into broader ethical and spiritual terrain: the crisis of meaning in a disenchanted, hyper-technologized world; the spiritual poverty at the root of our social and ecological breakdowns; the soul-making power of gossip; and the subtle ways we are lifted in life by humility and grace. We settle on the fact that selfhood is a gift received from love, shaped by shared attention and intention, and sustained only through the self-emptying of mutual becoming. Get full access to Footnotes2Plato at footnotes2plato.substack.com/subscribe
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Jun 2, 2025 • 1h 30min

Cast of One: Nondual Spirituality and the Diversity of Divinity

Our conversation touches on themes including the relationship between individual and collective awakening, the nature of divine consciousness, religious diversity as a path to unity, and the transformation of suffering into spiritual growth. Our discussion integrates insights from various traditions—Sufism, Christianity, Hinduism, and Jungian psychology—while exploring how these perspectives illuminate our current moment of planetary crisis and potential transformation.Sami Chhapra is a therapist, inquire about his practice here. Get full access to Footnotes2Plato at footnotes2plato.substack.com/subscribe
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May 30, 2025 • 1h 21min

It from Bit from Chit

I apologize for the sound quality… The lapel mics I got for this interview clearly didn’t work very well (despite the AI noise canceling feature!). ChatGPT Summary of my dialogue with Robert Prentner:1. Setting & Opening Exchange* Yerba Buena Gardens, San Francisco. Matt welcomes Robert, who is in town for a small symposium hosted by Joscha Bach on consciousness and AI.2. Robert’s Turn Toward AI* Robert traces his intellectual path: for five-plus years he has pursued a mathematico-philosophical study of consciousness.* Initially skeptical of AI’s relevance, he changed his mind after hands-on experience with GPT-4 and Claude in 2023–24. Their coding competence and linguistic versatility convinced him they pose serious philosophical questions about cognition.* His current project: reframe “AI consciousness” so that it is not imagined as something magically generated inside computation but understood in relation to—and possibly as an access route to—an already-fundamental field of consciousness.3. Mapping Metaphysical OptionsMatt outlines four classic stances on mind–matter relations—physicalism, dualism, idealism, and panpsychism—and asks Robert to place himself.* Robert situates himself between idealism and panpsychism, sympathetic to Leibnizian and Whiteheadian currents, but wary of being boxed in by labels.* He rejects physicalism as both explanatorily barren (eliminative materialism) and existentially impoverished (no room for value, freedom, or meaning). Dualism fares no better: it leaves causal gaps.4. Process, Time, and the Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness* They probe Whitehead’s critique of “misplaced concreteness,” contrasting undermining reduction (materialism) with overmining reduction (some forms of idealism).* Robert admires Whitehead’s ambition to keep philosophy a “critique of abstractions” that welds common sense to speculative imagination.* A thorny issue: how to think genuine process (and creativity) if spacetime is itself emergent or an “interface.” Matt invokes Bergson’s durée and the Einstein–Bergson dispute; Robert presses for an account of process “without time.”5. Large Language Models as Interfaces* Robert likens LLMs to early prototypes of perceptual “interfaces” (cf. Donald Hoffman): they compress vast corpora of human-generated meaning into usable symbol systems.* Both caution against literalizing metaphors (“the brain is a computer”) and against the cultic reification of “information” (Wheeler’s it-from-bit becomes, in Robert’s upgrade, it-from-bit-from-chit—consciousness).* They agree that information divorced from meaning and agency is just a new version of physicalism-plus, vulnerable to Whitehead’s same critique.6. Agency, Embodiment, and Machine Consciousness* Drawing on enactivism and autopoiesis, Matt raises the argument that metabolic precariousness may be a prerequisite for sentient agency.* Robert distinguishes consciousness-as-such from perspectival, embodied subjectivity. Embodiment might be indispensable for our mode of agency, yet other architectures could instantiate agency differently.* Both foresee political and ethical battles over robot rights once behaviorally humanlike machines emerge. Different cultures may diverge sharply on whether such entities merit moral status.7. Platonic Mediations and the Role of the Soul* Robert reaches for Platonic language: the soul mediates between ideals and empirical instantiation. LLMs might assist human beings in that mediating labor—if we approach them with explicitly metaphysical (rather than reductionist) sensibilities.* Matt notes a “tacit, unconscious Pythagoreanism” in much computational theory; better to be “a Platonist on purpose.”8. Whitehead’s Theological Dimension* Matt summarizes Whitehead’s panentheistic God with primordial (mental) and consequent (physical) poles, raising the tension between perspectival pluralism and an all-embracing consciousness.* Robert suggests some metaphysical distinctions may be pragmatic artifacts—useful interfaces rather than ontological ultimates—but cautions against premature answers.9. Ethics, Power, and Tech Capitalism* They converge on a warning: AI research is dominated by military–corporate interests whose incentives clash with philosophical and spiritual concerns.* The greater near-term peril may be not rogue superintelligence but widespread “moral atrophy” as humans outsource judgment, skill, and meaning-making to automated systems.10. Personal & Spiritual Reflections* Invited to share his spiritual orientation, Robert recounts a high-school “letter to my future self” that prodded him to foster humanity’s spiritual evolution—an aspiration he still feels.* He resonates with the Vedic triad sat-chit-ānanda (being-consciousness-bliss) and sees the AI era as demanding renewed attention to existential and ethical questions long neglected under market logics.* Both agree philosophers must join the technological conversation lest the future be shaped solely by profit and power.11. Closing* The talk ends on a sober yet hopeful note: “We’ve got our work cut out for us,” Matt says. Robert concurs, expressing gratitude for the dialogue and anticipation of further exchanges at the symposium. Get full access to Footnotes2Plato at footnotes2plato.substack.com/subscribe
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May 28, 2025 • 1h 40min

Alchemy, Technology, and Individuation in Novalis, Simondon, and Jung

Explore the intersection of alchemy and technology as Simondon’s concepts of individuation are linked to Jung’s ideas. Discover how Novalis's ‘poet-engineer’ concept provides a framework for reinterpreting AI and modern tech. The discussion navigates the relational dynamics of creativity in machines and biology, emphasizing that evolution thrives on entropy. Delve into the philosophical contrasts between individualism and collective understanding within romanticism. Language's transformative role in shaping self-identity ties everything back to technological consciousness and our societal evolution.
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May 20, 2025 • 1h 28min

The Mind is Not the Brain, and the Brain is Not a Computer

Victoria Trumbull sent me her dissertation a few weeks ago: “On the Memory of the Soul: The Spiritualist Metaphysic of Saint Augustine and Henri Bergson” (Oriel College, Oxford). I’ve only had time to read the second chapter critiquing the brain-mind equation, but will certainly be devouring the rest as soon as possible. Victoria indicated it will be published as a book early next year, so stay tuned. We agreed the reigning “brain-as-hard-drive” picture is a metaphysical mirage: localization of memories in neural tissue (so-called “engrams”), predictive-processing hype, and Shannon-style “information” are smuggled in as if such models were the thing itself. I invited her to unpack why these paradigms, while perhaps useful for engineering purposes, miss the mark when it comes to explaining consciousness. She showed how Bergson (with Plotinus as an important influence) explodes the representational model of mind by emphasizing duration, qualitative change, and the organic continuum of perception. “The information in the sea of energy around each of us, luminous or mechanical or chemical energy, is not conveyed. It is simply there. The assumption that information can be transmitted, and the assumption that it can be stored are appropriate for the theory of communication, not for the theory of perception. … Shannon’s concept of information applies to telephone hooks and radio broadcasting in elegant ways but not, I think, to the firsthand perception of being-in-the-world, to what the baby gets when it first opens its eyes.” —J. J. GibsonOn the personal side, Victoria shared how a life-threatening illness cracked her open to a personal, loving Creator and convinced her that philosophy must safeguard the value of personhood against vague forms of spirituality. She senses—like I do—that younger generations are done with smug atheist materialism and hungry for a rigorous, spirit-affirming metaphysics.Timestamps: 00:01:51 – Why did memory become the focus of your dissertation?00:05:47 – What’s fundamentally wrong with the “memories-are-stored-in-the-brain” view?00:16:54 – Can you unpack the flaws in the information-processing metaphor of mind?00:23:38 – How does talk of “information” in neuroscience slip from metaphor to fact?00:31:18 – In what way does Bergson separate thinking-activity from language (and why does that matter for AI)?00:37:50 – How does Bergson rework Plotinus into an evolutionary, creative philosophy?00:45:36 – Why does Bergson’s notion of duration rule out brain-state accounts of perception and memory?01:04:31 – Where do you stand on embodiment: is matter privation or creative partner?01:18:25 – On a personal level, how do your own religious/spiritual convictions shape this work? Get full access to Footnotes2Plato at footnotes2plato.substack.com/subscribe

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