

The Pakistan Experience
The Pakistan Experience
The Pakistan Experience is a podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan, and Pakistanis, through the lost art of conversations.
https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePakistanExperience
Also available on Spotify, Google Podcasts and Apple Podcasts.
Hosted by Shehzad Ghias Shaikh
https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePakistanExperience
Also available on Spotify, Google Podcasts and Apple Podcasts.
Hosted by Shehzad Ghias Shaikh
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Nov 10, 2021 • 1h 30min
Patriarchy and Sexuality - A conversation with Nighat Said Khan - Founder WAF - TPE #138
Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience Nighat Said Khan is a Pakistani feminist activist, researcher and author. She is the director and founder of the Applied Socio-Economic Research (ASR) Resource Centre and a founding member of the Women's Action Forum. Nighat joins us on the podcast to discuss the sexuality spectrum, how patriarchy seeks to control women's sexuality, using religion as a strategy in politics, the Aurat March, Zia's legacy and why The Left needs to unite as a collective. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:00 Intersectionality, LGBTQI Spectrum and the South Asian identity 12:00 Patriarchy and the control of sexuality 28:00 Capitalism co-opting Feminism 40:00 Using religion in politics5 7:00 Why can't The Left identity a collective enemy? 1:05:00 Indira Gandhi's assasination changed India 1:15:00 Zia is alive in his legacy 1:23:00 The economics of Mumtaz Qadri

Nov 4, 2021 • 1h 50min
Defending the Single National Curriculum - Dr. Mariam Chughtai - Director NCC - TPE #137
Dr Mariam Chughtai is the Director of the National Curriculum Council, she comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss the Single National Curriculum and dispel social media rumours. In this deep dive discussion, we get into the weeds of the program, from discussing what it is, what it aims to do, and what has people afraid. Dr. Mariam and I discuss the minimum standards for education, the problem with NOCs, Policy Making, Teacher Training, Overloading Islamiat and the criticism from minorities. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience Should the SNC be limited to just giving minimum standards? Is the state using education as indoctrination? Does SNC do anything to fix the education apartheid in Pakistan? Is SNC looking to convert people? Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. Dr. Mariam Chughtai is Associate Dean and Assistant Professor at the LUMS School of Education. She is also the Director of Pakistan Programs for the Harvard University Lakshmi Mittal South Asia Institute. Previously, Dr. Chughtai taught several courses at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, along with Negotiations at Harvard Law School and Leadership at Harvard Kennedy School. She has a Doctorate in Education (Ed.D.) from Harvard University specializing in Education Policy, Leadership and Instructional Practice. She has two Masters degrees from Harvard University, in International Education Policy and Education Policy and Management, and a Bachelors in Political Science from Rice University. Dr. Chughtai is based in Pakistan and working on her forthcoming book on the politics of making and breaking identity through education in Pakistan. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:28 Is the Single National Curriculum just minimum standards? 5:18 Getting NOCs and the Punjab Textbook Act 9:30 Punjab Ulema board and the need for a NOC 14:50 Yaksan Nizaam vs Yaksaan NIsab 20:50 Indoctrination 21:30 Teaching religion 25:00 Criticism from minority sects 29:50 Policy making and compromises 32:46 Reforming Pak Studies 38:21 Using Technology: Individualizing education vs a single national curriculum 44:00 Does SNC do anything to change the 3 tiers of education in Pakistan? 49:30 How does it prevent rote learning? 54:30 Teaching General Knowledge in Urdu and regional languages 1:02:00 Teacher Training 1:06:30 Political considerations for policy 1:09:00 Educational Consultancy Business 1:15:00 Teaching Islam to minorities 1:20:00 Is SNC trying to convert Non-Muslims? 1:29:33 Overloading Islamiyat 1:41:00 Madrassa Education

Nov 3, 2021 • 1h 54min
Telling scary stories and discussing the Burari Murders - Halloween Special - TPE Live IV
Live with Amna and Mariam Shafqat Goraya. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89

Oct 27, 2021 • 2h 6min
Why the Left is cancelling comedians while the world burns? - Ben Burgis - TPE #136
Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience Ben Burgis, author, podcaster, and philosophy instructor comes on to discuss why the left is fixated on ideas of moralism, individual responsibility and identity, and suffers from defeatism. We get into a deep dive discussion on performativeness, identity politics, cancel culture and the nationalization of social media. Is Joe Rogan a far right podcaster? Was Dave Chappelle's special transphobic? Who will win the oppression olympics? Would Ben Burgis kill a baby Jordan Peterson? Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. Ben Burgis is philosophy instructor at Georgia State University Perimeter College, a columnist for Jacobin Magazine and Arc Digital Media, and the co-host of the Dead Pundits Society. He also does a regular segment on The Michael Brooks Show called "the Debunk." Ben is also the author of "Give Them an Argument: Logic for the Left" and "Canceling Comedians While the World Burns: A Critique Of The Contemporary Left" Chapters: 0:00 Cancelling Comedians while the world burns 7:19 Joe Rogan and the collapse of mainstream media 22:00 "Bernie Bros" as a stick to beat Bernie with 26:00 Defeatism in The Left 35:30 Dave Chappelle, The Closer and Transphobia 53:00 Oppression Olympics and the politics of Victimhood 1:05:00 Identity Politics and the vision of a consolidated left 1:22:00 Jordan Peterson and the right making heroes out of idiots 1:35:00 Should social media be nationalized? 1:48:00 US Imperialism and what Leftist politicians can do 2:02:00 Michael Brooks Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89

Oct 10, 2021 • 1h 46min
Ethics of Therapy and the Psychology of Violence - Dr. Amna and Dr. Sharmeen - TPE # 135
Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience Dr. Amna Salman is a Forensic Psychologist who has recently completed her PhD from the University of Birmingham. Dr. Sharmeen Khan is a Clinical Psychologist with years of experience in the field. After the recent cases of violence against women, we decided to bring both of them on to discuss the ethics of Therapy and the Psychology of Violence. Why is Pakistan prone to mob violence? Is cancel culture toxic? Does 'Mental Health' excuse violence crimes? Does the news demonize Mental Health? Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 2:00 Ethics of Therapy 8:30 Seeing humanity in everyone 20:00 Mob Violence 32:00 Are we all unconsciously racist/sexist and discriminatory? 35:00 How to protect yourself from the news 41:00 The Therapy industry in Pakistan 55:00 Demonizing Mental Health and Schizophrenia 1:00:00 Mental Health, Crime and the Law 1:08:00 You are not your diagnosis 1:14:10 At what point should a therapist intervene to prevent violence 1:20:00 Risk factors for violence against women 1:24:00 Distinguishing Mental Health illnesses and Mental Health problems 1:28:38 The toxicity of Social Media and cancel culture 1:34:30 Lovism

Oct 7, 2021 • 2h 4min
How to fix Pakistan's Economy - Ali Hasanain - Economist - TPE # 134
Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience Ali Hasanain is the Economics Department Chair at the Lahore University of Management Sciences and was a Oxford-Princeton Global Fellow, he teaches Economics, Media and Corruption. Ali comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss the underlying issues in Pakistan's that impede our Economic growth - what does the country need to do to ensure sustainable Economic growth? Will the Pandora Papers lead to anything? What is PTI's Economic Policy? Are Subsidies bad? Will CPEC be good for Pakistan? Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 0:30 Are Pandora Papers Important for Pakistan? 5:40 Why should the common man care about Economic numbers? 10:30 Corruption led Growth 13:00 Khata hay toh lagata bhi hay 17:15 Why is Pakistan lagging behind 22:17 Free Market, Voluntary Exchange, Competitiveness and Growth Models 29:00 The downside of Subsidies 42:00 Political Establishment 49:30 Trade with India: State Interests vs Free Markets 55:15 What are the foundations of an economy? 1:08:30 Boom/Bust cycle of our economy 1:13:00 Police Reform 1:21:00 Analyzing PTI's Economic Policy 1:27:50 Petrol Prices 1:32:10 Hyper Inflation 1:35:30 Does the US printing dollars have any effect on us? 1:39:00 Quick hitters: Audience Questions 1:39:30 is CPEC good? 1:45:00 How can we revive Pakistan's engineering/manufacturing 1:47:30 Public policy for poverty reduction 1:49:30 Will cheap Indian goods destroy our industries? 1:51:10 Military Spending 1:52:05 Team MASEK 1:55:12 Can Consumer Behaviour combat Inflation? 1:57:50 Is there any hope? 2:00:20 What books to read to understand India/Pakistan's economy Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89

Oct 4, 2021 • 2h 10min
Exposing HEC Corruption, His removal and the Philosophy of Education - Dr Tariq Banuri - TPE # 133
In March, Tariq Banuri was removed as the chairman of HEC by the Federal Government, a move that is being challenged in the courts. Dr. Tariq Banuri joins us on The Pakistan Experience to discuss why he was removed by the Government as the Chairman of HEC, exposes the corruption within the HEC, and discusses his philosophy of Education, and his vision for the HEC. How should Research grants be awarded? Do HEC rankings make any sene? Why do we need the HEC to verify our degrees? What are his thoughts on the SNC? Should HEC have a sexual harassment mechanism for Universities? Join us for all this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. HEC Sexual Harassment policy: https://www.hec.gov.pk/english/services/Documents/SEXUALHARASSMENT-POLICY.pdf Tariq Javed Banuri is a Pakistani academic, development economist, environmentalist, climate scientist, educationalist, human rights advocate, and author who holds a PhD in economics from Harvard University and who is the fourth and current Chairperson of the Higher Education Commission (HEC), a statutorily established regulatory agency whose mandate is to improve and promote higher education and research & development (R&D) within Pakistan. Chapters: 0:00 Why was he removed as the chairman of the HEC? 8:00 Corruption in the the HEC 17:25 Research Grants 22:10 Using NAB against the Chairman of the HEC 27:50 The vision for Research and Research Programs 38:00 Why do we not see great research coming out of Pakistan? 43:10 Are most research journals in Pakistan fraudulent? 51:30 Digitizing archives in Pakistan 57:00 Fixing Higher Education in Pakistan 1:10:10 HEC Rankings 1:18:20 People being jobless after M.Phil 1:33:20 Government opening Universities just to score points 1:35:30 HEC's verification of degrees 1:43:00 PECs 1:48:00 Government spending in education is very low 1:52:00 Ed Tech 1:55:00 Single National Curriculum 1:57:00 Adil Najam 1:58:30 Governance structure of Universities 2:01:40 Mechanism for Sexual Harassment Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. https://www.facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ https://twitter.com/shehzad89

Sep 30, 2021 • 1h 54min
Is Pakistan becoming Fascist? The Left's vision and Online Spaces - Asim Sajjad Akhtar - TPE # 132
Asim Sajjad Akhtar is a professor, writer and political worker. Asim Sajjad comes on The Pakistan Experience again to discuss fascism, the left, identity politics, online spaces, economics and Marx. What does the left need to do to respond to the challenges? Is Democracy prone to majoritarianism? Are Pakistanis too 'jahil' for democracy? Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. The Pakistan Experience is an independently run podcast. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. https://www.facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ https://twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:20 Is it fine to use the word fascism for the current regime? 6:00 It's not like the previous regimes were any better 9:00 Is the worst democracy better than the best dictatorship? 18:00 Is Modi delivering economically? 22:00 Patriarchy and fascism 26:30 Politics of constituency 31:00 Are people in Pakistan too 'jahil' for democracy? 37:00 How to avoid Majoritarianism in a democracy 49:00 Why doesn't the left weaponize the hate for the bourgeoisie 53:30 Do we live in a simulation and big tech 1:00:00 Liberty and New World Order 1:05:40 Identity Politics 1:14:00 The politics of victimhood 1:23:00 Online allegations 1:26:00 Why democratically elected leaders become authoritarian 1:34:30 Marx, economy and culture 1:38:20 The final imagination of Marx is a stateless society 1:43:00 Questions

Sep 28, 2021 • 1h 32min
Is Pakistan safe for Journalism? - Raza Rumi - New Media and Naya Daur - TPE # 131
Raza Rumi joins us on this deep dive podcast to discuss why he had to leave Pakistan, the shrinking space for Journalism in the country, how digital journalism is changing the landscape, the philosophy behind Naya Daur, new media and nation building. What do we need to do to build a Pakistani state? Should journalists be scared of the new laws? What is the role of journalism? Find out this, and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. The Pakistan Experience is an independently run podcast. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience
And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. https://www.facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ https://twitter.com/shehzad89
Raza Ahmad Rumi is a Pakistani writer and a public policy specialist currently based in Ithaca, USA. He is the Director, Park Center for Independent Media, Ithaca College and has been teaching in Journalism department since 2015. He is also visiting faculty at Cornell Institute for Public Affairs and teaches courses in international development and public policy. Earlier, Raza was a global faculty fellow at the Gallatin School, New York University (Spring 2016). Raza was a fellow at New America Foundation (2014); United States Institute of Peace (Sept 2014-March 2015), a fellow at National Endowment for Democracy (summer 2016); and currently a member of Think Tank at Laboratory for Global Performance and Politics, Georgetown University. He is also a senior fellow at the Jinnah Institute in Islamabad. In recent years, Raza founded a digital media platform NayaDaur Media in collaboration with Pakistani diaspora in the United States. It is a bilingual multimedia portal with a Youtube channel. From 2017-2019, Raza was also the editor of Pakistan’s national newspaper Daily Times. From 2005-2017, he was affiliated with weekly The Friday Times in various editorial positions. Raza was also a commentator and a current affairs talk show host in Pakistan and was affiliated with the Express TV, Pakistan before he left Pakistan in 2014. He contributes regularly to Foreign Policy, Huffington Post, New York Times, The Diplomat, Fair Observer, CNN and Al Jazeera, Daily O, Scroll India, The Hindu and Indian Express. His columns for the Express Tribune can be accessed here. Prior to his foray in journalism, Raza worked as a governance and capacity development specialist for the Asian Development Bank, the Government of Pakistan, a number of Pakistani nongovernmental organizations, and the United Nations Mission in Kosovo. He has also been an academic adviser to the Network of Asia Pacific Schools and Institutes of Public Administration and Governance (NAPSIPAG); a public policy adviser to LEAD Pakistan, a nonprofit focused on sustainable development; and was an advisory board member of both the ASR Resource Centre and the South Asian Institute of Women’s Studies in Lahore. As a freelance policy professional/consultant he continues to advise international development organizations, governments and NGOs. Books: He is also the author of Delhi by Heart: Impressions of a Pakistani Traveler (Harper Collins, 2013); The Fractious Path: Pakistan’s Democratic Transition (2016); Identity, Faith and Conflict: Essays on Pakistan & Beyond (2017); and Being Pakistani–Essays on Arts, Culture & Society (2018).

Sep 25, 2021 • 2h 21min
Civil Service, Colonialism and failures in making a Pakistani state - Dr Ilhan Niaz - TPE # 130
Dr. Ilhan Niaz is a Historian and a Professor at Quaid-e-Azam University. Dr. Ilhan joins us on this deep dive podcast to discuss why the Civil Service has not been reformed in Pakistan, why the Pakistani state continues to be colonial, the struggles Pakistan has faced in making a state, the Pakistani elite, and 'sahab' culture. Why has the Pakistani civilian bureaucracy not developed? Should Karachi be an independent administrative unit? Who the main beneficiaries of the status quo? Do we need an alternative to CSS? Find out this, and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. The Pakistan Experience is an independently run podcast. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder. https://www.facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ https://twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Why is the Pakistan civil service not good? 8:00 Why has our Civilian Bureaucracy not developed? 14:30 Is the Bureaucracy not letting imran Khan work? 18:30 CSS Officers using social media 24:00 What is the legacy of the 'sahab' culture? 29:00 Mughals, colonialism and wealth extraction 51:00 Why was the Muslim League not decolonial? 59:00 The loosely connected federation of states model for South Asia 1:06:00 1857 War of Independence 1:12:00 Did Pakistan ever stop being "colonial"? 1:20:00 Why is the Pakistani elite not loyal to Pakistan 1:30:00 Is the status quo even interested in creating a Pakistan for all? 1:46:00 The 1971 KLF session 1:53:00 Main beneficiaries of the status quo 1:57:00 Zia ul Haq and PSDP 1:59:00 Karachi as an administrative unit 2:04:00 Ayub and Nehru Defence Pact 2:07:00 How can the civil service be reformed? https://instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh


