The Pakistan Experience

The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 3:00 Imran Riaz Khan 5:00 Media 8:54 What led up to the current crisis 38:00 The Current Crisis 50:00 Is this fascism unprecedented? 1:00:00 Can PTI defeat the Establishment

A harrowing and dark episode of The Pakistan Experience, where Dr. Summaiya Syed Tariq talks about the "bowels of our society"; as the Karachi Police Surgeon, she deals with all kinds of violent crime, Gender Based Violence, and Crime. On this episode, she discusses police procedure, assault, laws, the two finger test, taboos, child abuse, the Dua Zehra Case, Baldia Town Tragedy and the PIA Crash. Dr. Summaiya Syed Tariq is the Karachi Police Surgeon. She is a Forensic Consultant and an expert on Clinical management of assault and GBV. Reach out to her on https://twitter.com/DrSueTariq Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 2:18 Gender based violence, known assaulters, police procedure, r*pe laws and their shortcomings 12:01 2-finger test, consent under duress, the process of filing a complaint and the anti-r*pe act 21:28 The Taboo for males and minors, sensitivity and empathy, the surrounding culture and attitude 34:30 How she sleeps at night, her first postmortem, court cases and living in the bowels of society and mansplaining 44:42 child sexual abuse, views on women and izzat, Qandeel Baloch, ostracizing of victims, and our disposable population 56:50 Repression, the Zainab alert, mistrust and fear of courts and police, prevalence of domestic violence 1:08:10 mental health pandemic, apathy for violence, financial independence, avenues for women, Dua Zehra’s case and Baldia Town fire 1:20:21 PIA crash victims’ families complaints, body disposal, Karachi’s medico-legal offices, dealing with the pressure 1:27:21 Dealing with sexism and being a woman in the field, and news media’s interference 1:31:04 Q&A

Activist and Journalist Aslam Khwaja comes on the podcast to discuss his book, "People's Movement of Pakistan", that goes into the details of the torture camps during Zia-ul-Haq's dictatorship, PPP, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the Movement for the Restoration for Democracy, Politics and the current political climate. Born in Hyderabad, Sindh on 25th December 1962, Aslam Khwaja joined Left politics in late 1970s, during General Zia Martial Law with the students wing of Communist Party of Pakistan. Aslam Khwaja has also written and translated more than two dozen books in Sindhi, Urdu and English. The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 01:55 Khwaja’s Book, Zil e Shah, Zia’s cruelty and MRD, leaders standing with their workers 17:39 Rawalpindi Conspiracy Case, first elections, and Radio Pakistan Dhaka’s resistance 27:02 West Pakistan’s apathy, hypocrisy of PTI, and why didn’t the awam resist in 1971 35:55 Bhutto’s role in creation of Bangladesh, his anti-people actions, his role in bringing politics to the people, and Liyari 53:00 Bhutto’s legacy, abandoning leftist ideals, why there weren’t nationwide protests 1:04:59 Dictators attempting to turn politicians, Musharaf’s state funeral, Nusrat Bhutto and anti-Zia politics 1:17:44 Why PPP’s Sindh isn’t like PMLN’s Punjab, Sindh Cafe, Benazir’s return in 1986, separation of state and its people 1:26:33 Difference between now and then, alignment of movements for unified resistance, PTI’s attempt to reverse 18th amendment 1:37:39 PTI’s politics, Benazir’s rise and MRD’s role 1:46:06 How Aslam Khwaja was arrested, meeting his torturer, and seeing humanity even in distress 1:57:23 Audience Questions

Journalist and Editor Badar Alam joins us on The Pakistan Experience to discuss Print Journalism, The Media Industry, Censorship, Herald, the business of News, Channel Owners, Advertising and the state of Journalism today. Muhammad Badar Alam has been a journalist since 1992. He worked as the editor of Herald magazine, Pakistan’s premier current affairs magazine, from June 2010 to July 2019 – until the magazine was forced to close down as a punishment for its independent editorial policy and fearless reporting. He then co-founded loksujag, an independent digital news media outlet dedicated to public interest investigative journalism, and worked as its chief editor between April 2020 and November 2022. He has also worked as a bureau chief, a reporter, a foreign correspondent and a deputy editor for different news outlets. He, similarly, has vast experience in journalism training and research. The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 0:52 Shehzad @ The Herald, why print journalism is dying, business and political interests of media owners 14:58 censorship and the dangers of journalism, taking a stand 24:22 delayed salaries and bullying by big media, ad revenue dictating policy, Bahria Town, serving public interest and journalism ethics 34:17 Bias in media and the purpose of journalism, propaganda, and misuse of power 44:55 judgement in absence of evidence, verifying information, Military involvement in parliamentary voting under PTI 58:18 journalists overcompensating in search for balance, are only politicians corrupt, and the IK situation 1:10:15 May 9 and its impact on PTI, can anyone get a majority, engineered power, and the legislative success of politicians 1:20:46 disruption of democracy, lawyers movement and APS attack, and no democracy in political parties 1:29:12 dynastic politics, hate for politics, resistance and protesting for demands, killing of regional identities, Mithi vs Kasur 1:38:43 BTK and PPP, marginalization of rural populations, creating ghettos, and remembering the Herald 1:54:41 Audience Questions

Pakistan Lost is a series of audio essays on history exploring the choices that were made that impacted millions of people for decades to come. Episode 8 of the series looks at the creation, election and selection of Imran Khan, how the military used Imran Khan against the Charter of Democracy. Watch all the episodes of Pakistan Lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HVcorSr-vM&list=PLlQZ9NZnjq5qRLMfNjRNQyCTBkT0etuaZ The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89

Anurag Minus Verma joins us on a fun episode of The Pakistan Experience discussing JNU, Comedy, Satire, Caste and Culture in India. On this deep dive episode, we discuss Extensialism, Devang Patel, Kafka, White Vloggers, Marxism, Adnan Sami, Anti-National, Gaanja, Anti-Caste, Memes, Culture and BC Sutta Na Mila Anurag is a multimedia artist. He studied Art and Aesthetics at JNU, Delhi, and film editing at FTII, Pune. His video diaries and character videos have gained a substantial social media following. His films have been screened at prestigious festivals and museums worldwide. In addition to his video work, Anurag writes opinion pieces. His popular podcast invites global thinkers and artists to discuss pressing issues. Anurag has been invited to share his journey at renowned institutions like Harvard, the University of Michigan, and Brandeis University. The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:40 Why are you called Anurag Minus Verma 4:30 The importance of Names 9:00 Caste and Culture in Urban India 19:50 Satirizing your own class 23:0 Finding the universality in the unique 27:00 Bollywood creating Culture and culture creating Bollywood and Dil Se 33:30 Issue based content and Cancel Culture 36:00 Vloggers and Foreigners in Pakistan 41:30 Cinema and Music in Pakistan 45:30 Sutta Na Mila and Ad Parody 48:30 Devang Patel 51:40 Existentialism and Roadies 55:30 Memes 1:00:00 JNU, Political Songs and Coffee 1:12:21 Audience Questions

Pakistan Lost is a series of audio essays on history exploring the choices that were made that impacted millions of people for decades to come. Episode 7 of the series looks at the dismissal of Benazir Bhutto's first Government on August 6th, 1990. Watch all the episodes of Pakistan Lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HVcorSr-vM&list=PLlQZ9NZnjq5qRLMfNjRNQyCTBkT0etuaZThe Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience

Imran Khan vs the COAS - Has PTI been Dismantled? Is the Party Over? The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89

The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:15 NFP’s new book, Imran Khan & his parallels with ZA Bhutto 09:29 The urban middle class, the voter split of Punjab, and Maududi’s political Islam 25:10 Democracy & Islam, Allama Iqbal, Maududi and political Ideologues 35:40 “Riyasat e Madina”, is there a major vote bank for religious parties?, the startof the military’s religiosity and Zia’s violence 51:26 the liberal elite, the left & reactionaries, double standards about protests 1:02:04 PTI’s protests and their false sense of security, Imran Khan’s political future and PTI’s hubris 1:17:25 Imran Riaz Khan’s arrest, projecting dreams onto reality, Cuba and his experience with communist movements 1:25:38 Myth of PTI bringing political awareness, how IK got popular and filling a void, IK’s colonial Pashtoon identity 1:42:55 PTI’s propaganda and bullying campaigns, disappearances of party leaders, and attacking feminists and liberals 1:52:58 Teflon Khan, PTI from invincibility to vulnerability, empty Zaman Park and virtue signaling 2:04:40 the Islamic voter, Salman Ahmed and Sufism, Malik Riaz and everyone in bed with the elite 2:13:52 Imran as a father figure and IK’s cricket career 2:17:29 Audience Questions

Laurent Gayer comes on the Pakistan Experience to discuss his book, "Karachi: Ordered Disorder and the Struggle for the City", Student Politics, MQM, PPP, JI, Altaf Hussain, PTM, Benazir's Assassination, Delhi and Paris. Laurent Gayer is Senior Research Fellow at the Center for International Studies (CERI-Sciences Po), Paris. For the past twenty years, he has been investigating urban transformations, social struggles and political conflicts in Karachi. His main publications include Karachi: Ordered Disorder and the Struggle for the City (Hurst, 2014), and the forthcoming Gunpoint Capitalism: Enforcing Corporate Order in Karachi (Hurst, 2024) The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience To support the channel: Jazzcash/Easypaisa - 0325 -2982912 Patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperiencehttps://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89 Chapters 0:00 Introduction 2:30 Finding order in Karachi’s chaos, MQM and military involvement 13:20 Student politics and Jamat e Islami, history of the region and who wrote it, creation of the muhajir identity 30:03 Using autobiographies as a source, Karachi’s motorcycle culture, conspiracy theories, Altaf Hussain and Punjab 40:07 Economic anxiety & pashtoon-muhajir conflict, partition and its impact on Karachi 51:17 the good old times, and protests in France compared to Karachi 1:04:05 PTM, Aurat March and impacts of social mobilization, global protest dynamics, anti military consciousness in Karachi 1:11:26 Benazir’s assassination and its impact on the city; is the PPP a mafia? 1:19:47 Karachi’s divisions & cantonments, local governments, the new corporate elite & sweatshops 1:30:36 Blatant protection from the courts and whether Delhi is the most segregated city and BJP changing India 1:43:33 Audience Questions