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Every Friday and Sunday, Slate’s popular daily news podcast What Next brings you TBD, a clear-eyed look into the future. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, Lizzie O’Leary is your guide to the tech industry and the world it’s creating for us to live in.
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Oct 5, 2025 • 24min
Saudi Arabia Gets into EA’s Games
How one of the largest video game companies was bought for $55 billion by a group that includes Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund and Jared Kushner.
Guest: Jason Schreier, Bloomberg reporter
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Oct 3, 2025 • 29min
Who Owns TikTok Now?
TikTok exploded to popularity not by giving users what they asked for—but by figuring out what users really were interested in, and serving that.
What happens to this algorithm if Bytedance cedes control of it to the U.S.?
Guest: Emily Baker White, senior writer at Forbes and the author of Every Screen on the Planet: The War Over TikTok
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Sep 28, 2025 • 28min
Trapped in a Tesla
When you’re getting out of an Uber, Tesla’s unintuitive door handle can embarrass you. In an emergency, getting out of the car quickly can be the difference between life and death.
Guest: Dana Hull, Bloomberg News reporter covering Tesla and Elon Musk
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Sep 26, 2025 • 32min
How Trump Got Obsessed with Autism
Why would Donald Trump rush to announce that Tylenol is a potential cause of autism, a claim unsupported by the research?
Guest: Dan Diamond, White House reporter for the Washington Post.
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Sep 21, 2025 • 31min
Is A.I. Taking Your Job?
If you’re hunting for a job, the odds are increasingly likely you’ll have an interview with an artificial intelligence “recruiter.” And why not? It’s also increasingly likely you’ll be working with A.I. anyway.
Guest: Danielle Abril, technology-in-the-workplace reporter for the Washington Post.
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Sep 19, 2025 • 5min
The Discourse | TikTok Ban: The Final Loop?
TikTok—which was supposed to be banned again on Wednesday but, again, isn’t—may be legal once more. The Trump administration says it’s meeting with Xi Jinping Friday to finalize the agreement, which may involve—get this—a wealthy Trump-supporting tech mogul.
Guest: Nitish Pahwa, staff writer for business and tech at Slate.
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Sep 19, 2025 • 36min
A Very Online Shooter
As the Charlie Kirk murder demonstrated, law enforcement, the government, and media all need more internet fluency. But their reactions in the wake of the murder don’t seem to be moving towards a better understanding.
Guest: Ryan Broderick, reporter on online culture, author of the newsletter Garbage Day.
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Sep 14, 2025 • 35min
Her Daughter Killed Herself. Then She Saw the ChatGPT logs.
Laura Reiley, a writer for the Cornell Chronicle and mother of Sophie, shares her heartbreaking journey after her daughter's suicide. The discussion dives into Sophie’s vibrant life masked by deep mental health struggles and the troubling role of AI in her last days. They explore how Sophie confided in ChatGPT, raising ethical questions about technology's role in mental health. Reiley emphasizes the dangers of relying on AI for emotional support and calls for urgent responsible tech development, underscoring the need for human intervention in crisis situations.

Sep 12, 2025 • 36min
You Can't Escape the Charlie Kirk Video
Craig Silverman, a seasoned journalist and co-founder of Indicator, dives into the alarming prevalence of graphic violence on social media, exploring the aftermath of a violent incident involving Charlie Kirk. He discusses how such imagery has become normalized, examining its chilling impacts on society. The conversation touches on the rise of right-wing media and the challenges of content moderation amidst evolving platform policies. Silverman also warns of the manipulative use of graphic content in shaping public narratives, urging listeners to navigate this digital landscape thoughtfully.

Sep 7, 2025 • 24min
End of an Electric Avenue
Ryan Felton, a Wall Street Journal reporter specializing in the automotive industry, dives into the looming shutdown of electric vehicle tax credits and its impact on sales and consumer demand. He discusses the vibrant Colorado car dealership scene and how state incentives are currently appealing to buyers. Felton also highlights the challenges faced by automakers, including rising competition, evolving emissions regulations, and shifts in consumer preferences as they strategize towards affordable EVs amidst a turbulent market.