
Jesuitical
Welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast for young Catholics hosted by two young, lay editors at America—Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless. Each episode features a guest who offers a unique perspective on faith, culture or current events. We also bring you some of the top (and maybe more obscure) Catholic news of the week. And we'll ask: Where do we find God in all this?
Latest episodes

Nov 17, 2023 • 52min
How a Southern Protestant learned to love Catholic social teaching
This week on Jesuitical, Zac and Ashley welcome Lee C. Camp, a professor of theology and ethics at Lipscomb University, the author of Scandalous Witness: A Little Political Manifesto for Christians and the host of “No Small Endeavor,” a podcast that explores what it means to live a good life.They discuss:
Lee’s upbringing as a Protestant Christian in Alabama, and how his studies at the University of Notre Dame changed his views on the Catholic world
Moral theology and the value of asking, “What does it mean to live a good life?”
The importance of good, wholesome arguments in religious tradition
In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac talk about Pope Francis’ controversial decision to remove Bishop Joseph Strickland from his duties overseeing the diocese of Tyler, Tex. They then discuss the U.S. bishops more broadly, focusing on this week’s U.S.C.C.B. meeting in Baltimore and the conflicting assessments of the U.S. church put forth by various leaders.Links from the show:
Pope Francis removes Bishop Strickland of Diocese of Tyler, Texas
Archbishop Broglio and Cardinal Pierre offer competing visions of synodality at bishops’ meeting
Zac and Ashley’s appearance on “No Small Endeavor”
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Nov 10, 2023 • 57min
The movement of lay people behind Pope Francis’ peace missions
How does a 25-year-old woman from Salt Lake City end up facilitating peace negotiations during a civil war in South Sudan? This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley are joined by Elizabeth Boyle, an International Relations Officer in the Community of Sant’Egidio, a lay social movement of the Catholic Church whose mission focuses on three “P”s: “prayer, peace, and the poor.”Zac and Ashley talk to Elizabeth about:
The journey that brought Elizabeth to peacebuilding and the work she’s doing with the Community of Sant’Egidio in Rome
What her work in South Sudan reveals about the challenges and possibilities of peacemaking
How Catholics (and the church) can integrate peace into their spirituality
In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss Pope Francis’ recent announcement that he would travel to Dubai to attend COP28. Then, they get into a most pressing issue facing the church: Sabrina Carpenter’s “Feather” music video, which caused an uproar after being filmed in the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary Church in Brooklyn.Links from the show:
Interview: Pope Francis’ presence at COP28 climate conference in Dubai is ‘without precedence’
Brooklyn bishop ‘appalled’ over music video shot in Catholic church, will investigate
Podcast: When Catholic doctrine can change—and when it can’t
The Community of Sant'Egidio
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Oct 30, 2023 • 47min
Synod on Synodality Debrief with Father James Martin
On this special crossover episode of Jesuitical and Inside the Vatican, Zac Davis speaks with his colleagues Gerard O’Connell, Sam Sawyer, S.J., and synod member James Martin, S.J., about the concluding document of the recent synod on synodality in Rome. They discuss:
The open debate about women’s ordination to the diaconate
Why reference to L.G.B.T. Catholics was not included in the synthesis document
What the synthesis document is and how it can be read and used widely
Was this really a synod of bishops?
Plus, new paths for appointing bishops and performance reviews
Links:
Father James Martin: What happened at the Synod on Synodality
Cardinal Cupich on the synod, women deacons, giving bishops job reviews and why ‘LGBTQ’ was left out of the final doc
Synod publishes final report and votes: Calls for more discussion on synodality, women deacons and more
Full text: Pope Francis’ homily closing the 2023 Synod on Synodality
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Oct 25, 2023 • 57min
When Catholic doctrine can change–and when it can’t
This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley discuss a, if not the, big question hanging over the synod: Can it change church teaching? They unpack the place of authority, doctrinal development and the synod with Richard Gaillardetz, the Joseph Professor of Catholic Systematic Theology at Boston College and the author of a foundational text on the levels of church teaching: By What Authority?: A Primer on Scripture, the Magisterium, and the Sense of the Faithful.They ask Dr. Gaillardetz:
What’s the difference between a dogma, doctrine and teaching?
What do I need to believe to be Catholic? Is it O.K. to disagree with church teaching?
How has church teaching developed throughout history?
In Signs of the Times, the synod enters its final week with discussion on the synthesis report, and an Australian theologian addresses concerns some synod delegates have about tradition and the development of doctrine.Links from the show:
Purchase By What Authority? Foundations for Understanding Authority in the Church, by Richard Gaillardetz
Synod: Fr Ormond Rush's theological reflection on Synthesis Report
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Oct 20, 2023 • 45min
Catholic influencers or digital missionaries? Bringing the synod to the internet
As a young adult, José Manuel de Urquidi had a lot of questions about faith but couldn’t find satisfying answers. He went to law school, opened a craft brewery and started a family, but it wasn’t until he started podcasting that he found his purpose as a digital missionary.José is a voting member in the synod on synodality at the Vatican this month and his advocacy for evangelizing–or rather listening–in digital spaces is turning heads. Leading up to the synod, he worked closely with the synod secretariat to get the word out on dozens of digital platforms. The result is the digital synod “continental” document, which centers previously unheard voices of those who are or feel excluded from the traditional structures of the Church.In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac break open the final thematic module of the synod that’s currently being discussed: Participation, governance and authority. LinksSynod Diary: Will the synod change its members?Synod cardinal from Brazil: In the Amazon ‘everyone votes, except the bishop’The digital synod continental documentWhat’s on Tap?Lokita Mezcal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 18, 2023 • 41min
The French Dominican bringing Middle East Catholics’ concerns to Rome
This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley turn their attention to the Middle East. Their guest is Olivier Poquillon, O.P., a French Dominican priest who, until recently, served as the pastor of a Catholic Church in Mosul, Iraq. That church was almost completely destroyed by ISIS in 2014 when the terrorist group took over one of the few remaining religiously diverse communities in the country. After ISIS was driven from the city, Father Poquillon returned to oversee the reconstruction of the church. He was recently named the director of the École Biblique in Jerusalem—the oldest biblical and archaeological research center in the Holy Land—and is on the commission for methodology for the Synod on Synodality here in Rome.Zac and Ashley talk to Father Poquillon about:
The history of religious diversity and violence in Mesopotamia, the birthplace of the Abrahamic faiths
What Pope Francis’ 2021 visit to Iraq meant to the people of Mosul
What he heard from the Catholics living in the Middle East during their local synodal sessions
In Signs of the Times, the hosts discuss the latest Catholic developments related to the war between Israel and Hamas, including the news that Pope Francis might know one of the Argentine victims of the Oct. 7 massacre. Next, they talk about the pope’s new apostolic exhortation on St. Thérèse of Lisieux, “the Little Flower.”Links from the show:
Pope Francis: My friend could be a victim of Hamas attack
Jerusalem cardinal offers himself in exchange for Israeli hostages
Pope Francis publishes new apostolic exhortation on St. Thérèse of Lisieux
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Oct 16, 2023 • 7min
The risks of the Vatican's synod media strategy
The hosts discuss Vatican's media strategy for the synod on Synodality, including the possibility of applying the Pontifical Secret. They also talk about the media guidelines for synod delegates and the expectation for honest and attentive coverage.

Oct 13, 2023 • 44min
The lay woman bringing Catholic social teaching to the heart of Vatican
Ashley and Zac get schooled in social justice from a Latin American perspective. Emilce Cuda, the Secretary of the Pontifical Commission for Latin America and the highest ranking lay woman working in the Vatican, joins the podcast to explain how “el pueblo”—ordinary, working class people—are at the forefront of a burgeoning synodal church. They also discuss:
Populism in Latin America versus North America
Pope Francis’ vision for a church that does social justice
What it’s like working as a lay woman in the Vatican
In Signs of the Times, the hosts share updates about the synod on synodality, including some of the hot topics emerging from inside the hall: concern for the poor, the environment, welcoming marginalized groups including women and LGBT Catholics, formation and a lot more. They also discuss Pope Francis’ remarks concerning the terrorist attack on Israel last Saturday.What’s on tap:Malbec (from Argentina!)Links:
Cardinal Tobin at the synod: the church is ‘most beautiful when the doors are open’
Pope Francis calls for end to conflict in Israel and Gaza: ‘Every war is a defeat’
Israel condemns Jerusalem Christian churches over ‘immoral linguistic ambiguity’ in statement on Hamas attack
Pope Francis calls for ‘the immediate release’ of all hostages taken by Hamas, expresses concern for Gaza civilians
America’s synod coverage
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Oct 11, 2023 • 51min
What it’s like giving a speech inside a synod of bishops
The synod on synodality learned a lot from the young people who attended the youth synod in 2018, says Julian Paparella, who was 25 years old when he addressed hundreds of bishops in that assembly. Now studying in Rome, he joins Zac and Ashley to shed light on the dynamic at work inside synods and how the process has evolved over the past five years to truly listen to lay—and especially younger—people. They also discuss:
The young people’s call in 2018 for greater inclusion of women in the church
The balance between learning synodality and tackling the hot-button issues that matter to many people who feel excluded from the church
How conversion happens inside a synod among the participants
In Signs of the Times, the part of the show where the hosts sift through Catholic news of the week, the hosts discuss the complicated process of the discussions in the synod on synodality.LinksJulian Paparella’s Synodal InterventionAmerica’s synod coverageWhat’s on Tap?Birra Moretti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 6, 2023 • 45min
Everything you need to know about the Synod on Synodality
Hello from Rome! Ashley and Zac are joined by their colleague Gerard O’Connell, a journalist who has covered the Vatican since 1985. They bring questions from listeners about the Synod on Synodality, which began this week: How will the discussions inside the synod hall work? How will the synod deal with internal polarization? What will determine the success of this synod? They also discuss:
The changes that Pope Francis has brought to the synod, making it more open and inclusive.
How to listen and remain open to the Holy Spirit.
Lay involvement in the synod, especially of women and young people.
Links from the Show
Analysis: The synod is not Vatican III. It’s Pope Francis’ implementation of Vatican II.
America’s synod coverage
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