
Jesuitical
Welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast for young Catholics hosted by two young, lay editors at America—Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless. Each episode features a guest who offers a unique perspective on faith, culture or current events. We also bring you some of the top (and maybe more obscure) Catholic news of the week. And we'll ask: Where do we find God in all this?
Latest episodes

Feb 21, 2020 • 23min
The untold history of black nuns in the United States
Ask most people what they know about black Catholic sisters, and they will probably murmur something about “Sister Act.” Dr. Shannen Dee Williams did, too, until she began digging into communities’ archives and uncovering the previously hidden lives of African-American women religious. Now she’s telling those stories in a forthcoming book (with an amazing title), Subversive Habits. Shannen tells us about the incredible resilience and deep faith of black Catholic women in the face of racism, discrimination and exclusion. We ask her how these stories affected her own faith and what racial reconciliation in the church looks like today. Have you checked out our Facebook page yet? Starting today, we’ll be asking for your consolations and desolations there. You can also find us on Twitter @jesuiticalshow, support us on Patreon and send us an email at jesuitical@americamedia.org. (Originally released June 22, 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Feb 14, 2020 • 28min
Can Jesuit spirituality save our politics?
Cyrus Habib is perhaps most interesting (and inspiring) politician you haven’t heard of—yet—unless, of course, you listened to our interview with him back in May 2018. Amid a chaotic primary season and after a polarizing impeachment trial, we thought it was a good time to bring back this hopeful conversation about faith and politics. Cyrus is the 16th and current Lieutenant Governor of Washington State. Born in Baltimore, Md., Cyrus is a three-time cancer survivor and has been fully blind since he was 8-years-old. His parents immigrated to the United States from Iran before he was born, and he is both the first and only Iranian-American official to hold statewide elected office in the United States. We ask Cyrus how his Catholic faith shapes his public service and how citizens and politicians alike can work toward the common good in these polarized times. (Originally released on May 25, 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Feb 7, 2020 • 30min
Your Catholic guide to the Oscars 2020. Ep. 129
With two dramatized popes up for Best Actor (Jonathan Pryce) and Best Supporting Actor (Anthony Hopkins), are this year’s Oscars the most Catholic yet? To find out, we spoke with America’s film critic, John Anderson, about the nominees for the 2020 Academy Awards, airing Sunday, Feb. 9. We talk with John about the films with the most obviously Catholic themes in 2019 (“The Two Popes,” “The Irishman,” “A Hidden Life”). Then we make the case for our own favorites for Best Picture—with Zac and Ashley reaching rare consensus over their love for “Little Women.” Plus, we dig into the state of filmmaking and watching in the Age of Netflix and ask: Why should we pay attention to the Oscars? Zac was out sick this week, so no Signs of the Times or Consolations & Desolations. But if you enjoy the show and want more, make sure to go back and listen to our conversation with Jonathan Pryce about what it’s like to play Pope Francis (and the High Sparrow). Then, tell us about your favorite films of the year on our Facebook group. If you’d like to support the show, check out our Patreon page or rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 31, 2020 • 37min
What it’s like to get to know your bishop on pilgrimage. Ep. 128
It’s not surprising that most Catholics—especially young Catholics—don’t personally know their bishops. Sure, they might have put some oil on your forehead at confirmation and made you worry about what it would do to your acne problem (this is 100 percent hypothetical), but otherwise, you’re busy, and bishops are in charge of a zillion things and a zillion people. And even if you get to sit down with them, it’s probably in a formal setting where everyone is doing their best to look buttoned up. Our guest this week is Mychael Schilmoeller. She works in pastoral care at St. Michael’s Church in Prior Lake, Minn., in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis. She also was part of a delegation of young adults who accompanied their bishops on their “ad limina” visit to Rome to meet with Pope Francis. That means she got to spend a lot of time with her bishops. Like, jet-lagged, layover-in-the-airport kind of down time. Long Italian dinners kind of time. We talk to her about what it was like to get to accompany her bishops on this trip and how this influenced her perspective on the church. Oh, and we ask her what it was like to get her and her unborn child blessed by Pope Francis and have the scene posted on His Holiness’s Instagram. On Signs of the Times, we look at the shifting political home of abortion in American politics and where that might leave Catholics. We also talk about how Pope Francis celebrated the first official Sunday of the Word of God and discuss the tragic death of Kobe Bryant. This week, we also hit 3,000 members in our Facebook group for listeners! It’s a place where you can interact with hosts and the rest of the Jesuitical team, as well as other listeners. You should check it out if you haven’t yet. Links from the Show: Will pro-life democratic voters be courted in the 2020 primary? So far, it’s not likely. Trump: a ‘profound honor’ to be the first president to attend March for Life Pope Francis’ Homily for 1st Sunday of the Word of God (Full Text) A (Complicated) Prayer for Kobe Young adults make ‘deep dive’ into faith during ‘ad limina’ visit Mychael’s Instagram with Pope Francis (second photo) Inside the Vatican What’s on Tap? Hot Toddies, to cure the common cold Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 24, 2020 • 35min
A Catholic veteran on faith in war. Ep. 127
When Pete Lucier deployed to Afghanistan in 2011 he believed in the war and the Marine Corps and violence. It was only after returning to civilian life that he began to question not only the reasons for the United States’ Middle East wars but his identity as a soldier who is loved “for my sins,” as he wrote in America. Following the U.S. drone strike on an Iranian general and ominous talk of “World War III,” we wanted to talk to Pete about the ways Americans think and talk about war. We ask about how his experience in Afghanistan has changed his relationship to violence—and God—and about the responsibility of Catholic citizens in times of ongoing conflict and new military tensions. In Signs of the Times, Pope Francis condemns anti-Semitism once again ahead of the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz; President Trump offers new guidelines for praying in public schools; and the consecration of a female Espicopalian bishop at a Catholic Church in Virginia gets called off in the face of internet outrage. Tell us what you think about the episode on our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter and help other listeners find Jesuitical by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Please consider supporting the show by becoming a member of our Patreon community. Patrons get access to an exclusive newsletter written by one of your hosts each week! Links from the show: Pope Francis: “I will never grow tired of condemning every form of anti-Semitism” President Trump issues new guidance on prayer in public schools ‘An act of charity’: Virginia bishop defends parish hosting Episcopalian consecration As a soldier I was loved for my sins. Now I must repent for them. What’s on tap? St. Louis’ finest: Budweiser Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 17, 2020 • 33min
Learning the stories of the enslaved people owned by the Jesuits. Ep. 126
Awareness of the Catholic Church’s—and the Jesuits’— role in slavery in the United States has grown in recent years thanks to reporting and research from journalists, univerisities and descendents. But there is still much that remains unknown about the enslaved people owned, rented and borrowed by the Catholic Church: How many of them were there? Who are their descendents? What were their day-to-day lives like? The Slavery, History, Memory, and Reconciliation Project, a collaboration between the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States and St. Louis University, is working to uncover the untold stories of enslaved peoples. We talk with Jonathan Smith and Laura Weiss from the project about what they’ve learned so far and what they hope to achieve. In Signs of the Times, we break down the controversy surrounding Cardinal Robert Sarah’s new book on celibacy and what Pope Benedict’s role is in it. We also look at how Catholic bishops are advocating for refugee resettlement on the state level and a new marriage prep program in Spain. Thoughts on the show? Join the discussion with other Jesuitical listeners in our Facebook group. Also, thank you to everyone who has responded so far for our call for new Patreon supporters. We can’t do it without your support. Links from the Show: Slavery, History, Memory and Reconciliation Benedict XVI has asked Cardinal Sarah to have his name removed from the book on priestly celibacy Texas Catholics decry Governor’s decision to spurn refugees Minn. Catholic, Lutheran bishops' open letter backs refugee admission Catholic church in Spain launches years-long marriage training for couples What’s on tap? The Chilton, as recommended by listener Isaiah Lucio Lopez. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 10, 2020 • 39min
Dorothy Day’s granddaughter on prayer, prison and peace. Ep. 125
In April of last year, seven Catholic activists broke into the naval submarine base in Kings Bay, Ga., home to several nuclear-armed submarines. Inside, they carried out nonviolent actions to protest the U.S. nuclear weapon’s program: They spilled their blood on the property, beat weapons with hammers and put crime-scene tape around the base. All seven were arrested, convicted and await sentencing. One of those Catholics was Martha Hennessy. Martha is the granddaughter of another Catholic peace activist: Dorothy Day. We ask her how she prepared spiritually for the protest, how her grandmother has shaped her faith and what she thinks about the state of Catholic activism. In Signs of the Times, we discuss the U.S. drone strike that killed a top Iranian military leader and how Catholic leaders are (and aren’t) responding. Plus: a 100-gallon blessing of holy water on farmland in Louisiana and Pope Francis’ eventful New Year’s Eve. Tell us what you think about the episode on our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter and help other listeners find Jesuitical by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Please consider supporting the show by becoming a member of our Patreon community. Patrons get access to an exclusive newsletter written by one of your hosts each week! Finally, are you a college senior at a Jesuit college or university interested in writing, journalism or production? Or do you know someone who is? America Media’s Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J., Fellowship is an incredible opportunity to live in New York City while working with the smartest, kindest Catholic media professionals out there. The deadline for applications is Jan. 15 so don’t wait. Learn how to apply here: oharefellows.org Links from the show: Pope Francis prays for dialogue as tensions mount between the U.S. and Iran The U.S. killing of Soleimani could have devastating consequences for Iraq’s Christians Louisiana parish uses plane to bless town with 100 gallons of holy water Pope shows up unannounced at funeral Mass of Italian lay woman and friend Pope Francis SlapGate What’s on tap? Father Andy’s Manhattan: Four(!) parts bourbon, one part sweet vermouth, splash of bitters and a maraschino cherry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 3, 2020 • 19min
A workout program for you, from the formerly incarcerated
Are you working out for the body of a god? What about the body of a convict? Meet Coss Marte, our guest this week. After being arrested at 19 for running a multimillion dollar drug trade in New York City, Coss was sent to prison. There, doctors told him that his health problems and weight could kill him within a few years. After dropping 70 pounds in six months, and helping train other convicts to make dramatic changes, Coss also experienced a religious revival in a moment of desperation. Now Coss is the head of ConBody: a gym that offers prison-style bootcamp classes taught by formerly incarcerated trainers. We’ll be talking with Coss about how ConBody was developed, how his faith helped him while incarcerated and his prison reform activism. After, we’ve got consolations and desolations, where we tell you where we did or didn’t find God this week. (Originally released on July 28, 2017) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 27, 2019 • 28min
The one where Olga says goodbye. Ep. 124
It’s the end of an era. As you heard on last week’s episode, our cohost Olga Segura is leaving America Media, and therefore Jesuitical, to freelance full-time and work on a book on race, the Black Lives Matter movement and the Catholic Church, which will be published in 2021. To quote from Olga’s farewell newsletter for Patreon supporters: James Baldwin—my answer to “Who would you canonize” during our first live show and my favorite writer—once wrote, “Love takes off masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within.” You—Ashley, Zac, my producer Eloise Blondiau and our listeners—helped me to remove the cover I often hid behind. I stopped code-switching and I stopped being afraid of who I was: an Afro-Latina writer in the Catholic world. Olga offered sharp and thoughtful commentary on ecclesial and secular affairs, advocated for justice and vulnerably shared her true self with us and our listeners. Change is hard, and this will not be easy for any of us. Olga provided a unique and necessary voice in the Catholic media, and especially so on Jesuitical. Moreover, will anyone keep the peace between Ashley and Zac? In this special episode, we skip the Signs of the Times and Consolations and Desolations to devote an entire conversation to Olga and her work at America. We’ll miss you Olga. Come back and visit us soon. Love, Zac and Ashley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 20, 2019 • 34min
Meet the star of “The Two Popes”. Ep. 123
If you are a fan of HBO’s “Game of Thrones,” you probably remember thinking when you first saw the High Sparrow: Wow, that guy looks exactly like Pope Francis. That guy was Jonathan Pryce, a distinguished Welsh actor on the stage and screen. And it was a likeness that proved irresistible for the director of “The Two Popes,” now streaming on Netflix. In the film, Pryce plays Jorge Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires, who has been called to Rome by Pope Benedict XVI (Anthony Hopkins), to discuss the latter’s decision to renounce the papacy. We ask Pryce how he prepared to play the pope, whether the film changed his perception of the Catholic Church, and about his own spirituality. In Signs of the Times, Pope Francis abolished the “pontifical secret” for cases of sexual abuse; how are advocates and victims reacting? Also at the Vatican, the Peter’s Pence collection comes under scrutiny for potentially misleading donors. And in U.S. church news, Gwen Stefani needs an annulment, a survey of how the length of homilies compare to sermons in other denominations and a bishop opens up about mental illness. Tell us what you think about the episode on our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter and help other listeners find Jesuitical by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts. Please consider supporting the show by becoming a member of our Patreon community. Patrons get access to an exclusive newsletter written by one of your hosts each week! Links from the show Pope Francis abolishes the pontifical secret for sexual misconduct cases involving clerics Is the Vatican misleading donors? Peter’s Pence, explained. Blake Shelton and Gwen Stefani Are Ready to Get Married But It "Isn't Possible Currently" Because of Her Faith An Analysis of Online Sermons in U.S. Churches Bishop Conley announces medical leave of absence from Lincoln diocese https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/12/09/us-catholic-priests-beset-overwork-isolation-and-scandals What’s on tap? Fanta Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices