

Jesuitical
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Welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast for young Catholics hosted by two young, lay editors at America—Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless. Each episode features a guest who offers a unique perspective on faith, culture or current events. We also bring you some of the top (and maybe more obscure) Catholic news of the week. And we'll ask: Where do we find God in all this?
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Nov 12, 2021 • 53min
Bishop Frank Caggiano agrees with Pope Francis: We need a listening church
It’s bishops week on Jesuitical! Ashley and Zac unpack several stories surrounding U.S. bishops in the news: Archbishop Jose Gomez of Los Angeles, Bishop John Stowe of Lexington, Ky., Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco, and Cardinal Blase Cupich of Chicago.That all leads into a conversation with Bishop Frank Caggiano of Bridgeport Connecticut, who unpacks his understanding of what Pope Francis is after in calling for a “synod on synods,” and more broadly, what it means to have a church that listens. Links from the show:
Archbishop Gomez: The church must confront ‘woke’ social justice movements that aim to ‘cancel’ Christian beliefs
Interview: Archbishop Cordileone on Biden, Pelosi, abortion and Pope Francis
‘The Church Must Be Political’
Cardinal Cupich: Pope Francis’ Latin Mass reforms are necessary to secure Vatican II’s legacy
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Nov 9, 2021 • 3min
Teaser: ‘Midnight Mass’ is Catholic horror at its finest
Ashley and Zac chat with Father Jim McDermott about Netflix’s ‘Midnight Mass.’ To listen to the full conversation, sign up to support Jesuitical on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/americamedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 5, 2021 • 54min
What chronic pain taught Ross Douthat about God and suffering
You might know Ross Douthat as the token conservative at The New York Times, or the Catholic critic of Pope Francis. But in his new book, The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illness and Discovery, you’ll see a different side of Ross: a father and husband suffering with an incredibly painful chronic disease, looking for relief—and answers. We talk to Ross about how his experience of chronic Lyme disease affected his faith, what it taught him about the suffering in our society that is often out of sight and how friends and you can best accompany a loved one who is sick or in pain. In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss President Joe Biden’s meeting with Pope Francis, and share the pope’s prayer intention for the month of November.Want more Jesuitical? Join our Patreon community to get bonus episodes!Links from the show:
Biden says Pope Francis told him to ‘keep receiving Communion’
Leaked draft of bishops’ document on Communion lacks explicit reference to pro-choice politicians
Burned out, overworked or depressed? Pope Francis is praying for you.
The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illness and Discovery
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Oct 29, 2021 • 51min
Meet the Catholic map lady who wants to help Pope Francis fight climate change—if the Vatican will let her.
The Catholic Church owns a lot of land: churches, monasteries, schools, hospitals, cemeteries and more. What it’s missing are maps. That’s where Molly Burhans comes in. Molly is on a mission to not only make a digital record of Catholic landholdings but to help the church use that land for good. We ask Molly how Catholic organizations can make their land environmentally sustainable and socially useful, how frustrating it can be to work with the Vatican at times and how she remains hopeful in the face of climate change. In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss the history of pope and president meetings ahead of Joe Biden’s trip to the Vatican. Plus, a gay teacher and music director in the Diocese of Brooklyn is fired after he married his partner. We ask: What’s the true cause of scandal in stories like this?Finally, we have a bonus episode for the members of our Patreon community. We sit down with our colleague Jim McDemott, S.J., a.k.a. The Pop Culture Priest, to talk about why we love the extremely Catholic Netflix show “Midnight Mass.” Become a Patreon member today to get this and future bonus episodes!Links from the showBiden’s meeting with Pope Francis carries resonance as disputes divide U.S. CatholicsVideo: Joe Biden talks his Catholic Faith, Pope Francis and PoliticsA Gay Music Teacher Got Married. The Brooklyn Diocese Fired Him.How a Young Activist Is Helping Pope Francis Battle Climate Learn more about GoodLandsWhat’s on tap?Slightly expired Coors Light and Spencers Trappist beer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 22, 2021 • 50min
Skeptics, zealots and authority: Science and religion have more in common than you might think.
Welcome to the age of “doing your own research.” Given the increased attention we’ve all been paying to science this past year, we thought it important to bring on Brother Guy the Catholic Science Guy, a.k.a. Guy Consolmagno, S.J. Nicknamed “the pope’s astronomer,” Brother Guy is the director of the Vatican Observatory, president of the Vatican Observatory Foundation and he’s here to give science a much needed “shot in the arm.”During Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac unpack the pope’s call for universal basic income and a shorter work day (among other things) and discuss whether or not we still need godparents. Links from the show:Pope Francis’ 9 commandments for a just economyIn the Land of the Godfather Comes a Ban on ThemVatican ObservatorySupport the show by subscribing to America!What’s on tap?Montepulciano d’Abruzzo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 15, 2021 • 51min
Life after the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in U.S. history
On Oct. 27, 2018, 11 people attending Shabbat services at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburg were killed in the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in U.S. history. In the weeks and months that followed, when the public’s attention moved on, journalist Mark Oppenhiemer didn’t look away. He made over 30 reporting trips to the Squirrel Hill neighborhood to understand how the oldest Jewish community in America was seeking to heal after the massacre. He shares the lessons he learned in the new book Squirrel Hill: The Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting and the Soul of a Neighborhood.We talk to Mark about how this horrific attack affected the Jewish community throughout the country and why the media often fails to cover anti-Semitism in America.In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s recent meeting with Pope Francis. Plus, Pope Francis has cleared the beatification of Pope John Paul I, who, if canonized, would become the fifth 20th-century pope to be named a saint. We ask: Should we be canonizing so many pontiffs?Links from the show:
Squirrel Hill: The Tree of Life Synagogue Shooting and the Soul of a Neighborhood
Pope Francis receives Speaker Nancy Pelosi in private audience
Pope Francis clears the way for the beatification of Pope John Paul I
Papal Saints
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Oct 8, 2021 • 47min
Toni Morrison’s Black Catholic Novels
“Can we consider Toni Morrison a Catholic novelist,” Nadra Nittle asked in an article for America in 2017. Since Morrison’s passing in 2019, Nadra has been exploring that question in more depth, and the result is her new book: Toni Morrison's Spiritual Vision: Faith, Folktales, and Feminism in Her Life and Literature, out this month from Fortress Press. Zac and Ashley talk about why Morrison isn’t typically thought of alongside the usual lineup of Catholic novelists, how her experiences as a Black Catholic infused her novels and where someone who hasn’t read any Toni Morrision should start. During Signs of the Times, the hosts unpack the release of a new report on sexual abuse in the French Catholic Church as well as an unprecedented meeting of religious leaders at the Vatican to issue a statement about climate change. Links from the show:
Toni Morrison's Spiritual Vision: Faith, Folktales, and Feminism in Her Life and Literature
The Ghosts of Toni Morrison: A Catholic writer confronts the legacy of slavery
‘This is a moment of shame’: Pope Francis says the church has failed to center abuse victims for too long
Pope Francis and 40 faith leaders call for urgent action to combat climate change: ‘Future generations will never forgive us’
Zac’s attempt at TikTok (be nice)
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Oct 1, 2021 • 52min
Pope Francis said women need more authority in the church. He still has work to do.
In the first major interview of his papacy, Pope Francis said, “The challenge today is this: to think about the specific place of women also in those places where the authority of the church is exercised for various areas of the church.” Eight years later, has the place of women in the church changed—and is it enough?This week, we talk to Colleen Dulle about the rise of women leaders at the Vatican. Are their voices being heard at the highest levels of the church? Do they feel empowered—or limited by the “stain-glassed ceiling”?And in Signs of the Times, we speak with America’s chief correspondent Kevin Clarke about the latest crisis at the border and why Catholics should care. Links from the show:Women are rising to new heights at the Vatican. Could they change the church forever? by Colleen DulleHorrified by images of Border Patrol abusing Haitian migrants? Blame decades of dangerous immigration policy by Kevin ClarkeCatholic women feel called to be deacons. The church should listen to their stories. by Casey StantonWhat’s on tap?Aperol Spritz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sep 24, 2021 • 57min
Meet a Catholic woman who feels called to be a deacon
The debate about whether the Catholic Church should ordain women to the diaconate often focuses on theological and historical arguments. Rarely, though, do we hear from women who themselves feel called to this ministry. Meet Casey Stanton, co-director of Discerning Deacons, a project to engage Catholics in the active discernment of the church about women and the diaconate. We talk to Casey about how and why she feels like she’s called, and how she tempers feelings of frustration with a commitment to staying in the church. Links from the Show: America’s special women in the church issueAvery Dulles on women and the priesthood (from 1996)Learn more about Discerning Deacons. And read their new study: Called to Contribute: Findings from an In-depth Interview Study of US Catholic Women and the DiaconateWhat’s on tap?Hope Punch:
The church is a pomegranate–service to the many in the one
Rum for fortification
Champagne for joy in the midst
Lemon with sugar to balance the pastoral with the prophetic
Garnished with thyme and the patience to wait and to push...to insist on justice now knowing you will stay....to the eschaton
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Sep 17, 2021 • 53min
Why Catholics should study the Classics
"The classics" have been in the news recently—and not always in a good way. From colleges shutting down classics departments as students flock to more “practical” majors to criticisms that books written by “dead white men” cannot be separated from the legacies of slavery and colonialism, works that have stood the test of time are being tested anew. This week’s guest, Jeremy Tate, argues that not only are the classics worth studying for their own sake but that abandoning the Western canon will have disastrous effects for our (already toxic) public discourse. And he has some advice for continuing your classical education—even if you’re out of school.In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley give their first reactions to Pope Francis’ recent comments on the debate over the Eucharist and pro-choice politicians. What’s on tap?Kim’s Grapefruit: 1.5 ounces Empress Gin, .5 ounces St. Germain elderflower, juice of half a grapefruit, sugar-rimmed glass. (Modification: Don’t like—or can’t find—grapefruit? Use an orange instead!)Links:Pope Francis: ‘I have never denied Communion to anyone.’Jeremy Tate's article in America Magazine: In defense of a classical educationAshley's reported story from Wyoming Catholic College: A visit to the rural Catholic college that has 171 students, 12 horses and zero textbooksLearn more about The Classic Learning Test Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices