
Jesuitical
Welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast for young Catholics hosted by two young, lay editors at America—Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless. Each episode features a guest who offers a unique perspective on faith, culture or current events. We also bring you some of the top (and maybe more obscure) Catholic news of the week. And we'll ask: Where do we find God in all this?
Latest episodes

Mar 31, 2023 • 55min
What Sister Jean learned in her first 100 years about God, Life and Basketball
Before Sister Jean Dolores Schmidt, B.V.M., captured the heart of America during Loyola Chicago’s Cinderella run to the Final Four in 2018, she was Zac’s hero and mentor while he was attending Loyola. To be fair, she had been many things to many people in 100 years of life. Sister Jean is out with a new book (written with help from ace basketball writer Seth Davis) titled Wake Up With Purpose!: What I’ve Learned in My First Hundred Years. She joins the podcast to discuss that magical Final Four run, why she loves being around young people and where she believes the Catholic Church is headed.During Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley give an update on Pope Francis’ health and discuss why an A.I.-generated image of him in a puffer jacket went viral. Finally, Zac explains where he found God during jury duty.Links from the show:
“Wake Up With Purpose!”
What you don’t know about Loyola’s Sister Jean
How Loyola Chicago’s Sister Jean prays—on and off the court
Vatican: Pope Francis’ condition improving after resting overnight in hospital
AI-generated images of Pope Francis in puffer jacket fool the internet
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Mar 24, 2023 • 38min
Going on ‘Digital Pilgrimage’ and praying with a smartphone
What if you could pray with the Black Madonna of Montserrat, on the banks of the River Cardoner or the cave in Manresa where St. Ignatius developed the Spiritual Exercises—from the comfort of your couch? Today’s guest, Vivian Richards, S.J., wants to help Catholics do just that. Father Vivian is a Jesuit priest of India’s Karnataka province and part of the team of Jesuits who developed the JesuitPilgrimage app. The app provides photos, prayer and audio guides and interactive maps to bring users to the significant spots in the life of St. Ignatius and the Society of Jesus. We talk with Father Richards about how smartphones can help (and hurt) our prayer life, what it’s like to work at the Jesuit curia (a.k.a the home office) and what it means to take a “digital pilgrimage.”And in Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac discuss President Joe Biden’s asylum policy being at odds with Catholic teaching, the five lucky cousins who will receive an inheritance from the late Pope Benedict XVI and Georgetown University poaching the star coach of Providence College’s men’s basketball team.Links from the show:Bishop Seitz on Biden’s new asylum policy: Death cannot be the cost of our immigration lawsFive cousins of late Pope Benedict XVI may receive small inheritanceGeorgetown hires Ed Cooley to revive Hoyas men's basketballJesuitPilgrimage App Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 17, 2023 • 58min
Brooklyn’s Bishop Brennan on parish diversity, church closings and his move from Ohio to New York
Bishop Robert Brennan leads the most diverse diocese in the country: Brooklyn-Queens. Every Sunday, you are able to find Mass in over 25 languages throughout the diocese. Before coming to Brooklyn, Bishop Brennan was bishop of Columbus, Ohio (Zac’s hometown). This week, we talk to Bishop Brennan about the differences between Ohio and Brooklyn, what it’s like to switch dioceses as a bishop and the future of parish life in an era of church closings and reorganization.In Signs of the Times, Ashley and Zac look at St. Patrick’s Day dispensations around the country and a new “cannabis studies” certificate offered by St. Joseph’s University in Philadelphia.Links from the show: Bishop Brennan Podcast: Big City CatholicsSt. Joseph’s University has a cannabis certificate program, and some Catholics aren’t pleasedWhen St. Patrick’s Day falls on a Friday in Lent, should we eat the corned beef?Jesuitical March Madness: FacebookWhat’s on tap? Scotch! (We have a St. Patrick’s Day dispensation ourselves) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 10, 2023 • 1h 5min
You've never heard Jesus' Passion like this
Each year, during Holy Week, Catholics hear the story of Jesus’ triumphant entrance into Jerusalem, the Last Supper and the washing of the apostles’ feet, and finally, the betrayal, trial and crucifixion of Jesus. These events at the heart of our faith can become familiar, even sanitized after a while. But this year, we can hear them all anew thanks to “The Passion,” a new musical production from the Notre Dame Folk Choir.Zac and Ashley talk with J.J. Wright, the director of the University of Notre Dame Folk Choir, and Tristan Cooley, the creative director and librettist for “The Passion,” about the origins of the album, how spending so many hours with these Gospel passages affected their faith and how current realities—clergy sex abuse, police brutality and ongoing discussions about the place of women in the church—shaped the production.In Signs of the Times, we mark International Women’s Day by discussing the record number of female employees at the Vatican—as well the hope expressed during synod consultations for greater inclusion and leadership for women in the church. Next, newly discovered asteroids were named for three Jesuits and a pope. Why are there so many monuments to Catholics in space? And finally, we celebrate the 10th anniversary of Pope Francis and share what we remember most from his historic papacy.Make sure to check our Facebook page to vote in the Jesuitical Saint Sixteen (and shout out to our organizers Chris Kinkor and Jeff Johnson!)Links from the show:10 years of Pope Francis: Significantly more women working at the VaticanSynod working document for the continental phaseNew asteroids named for 3 Jesuits and pope of ‘Gregorian calendar’ fameEveryone has an opinion about the pope. But how does Pope Francis understand his past 10 years?A Big Heart Open to God: An interview with Pope FrancisTour dates for “The Passion”Stream “The Passion” on Spotify Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 3, 2023 • 52min
Inside the Vatican: How saints are made in the Catholic Church
Catholics love their saints. But it's not easy to become one. On this special Deep Dive episode of “Inside the Vatican,” we take you inside the grueling process of saint-making, which starts at a local diocese and involves dozens of people, a long paper trail with the Vatican, travel for miracle verification and a lot of money.We’ll hear from Vatican historians and journalists about how the process evolved from folks being devoted to holy people in their cities to a codified Vatican process. We’ll talk with individuals who are working on Dorothy Day's canonization cause in New York about how the significant cost and local politics can lead to causes being delayed indefinitely. And finally, we’ll look into how miracles are verified—and why some people think that ought to change.Support Inside the Vatican! Become a digital subscriber to America Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Feb 24, 2023 • 41min
3 Jews and 2 Catholics walk into a podcast studio to talk about Lent
This week, Zac and Ashley join forces with the hosts of the universe’s leading Jewish podcast, “Unorthodox,” for our annual Lenten conversation. As is custom, Mark Oppenheimer, Stephanie Butnick and Liel Leibovitz offer the hosts of “Jesuitical” their annual Lenten practices. Links from the show: UnorthodoxTablet Magazine Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Feb 17, 2023 • 53min
Finding God in hip-hop and liberation theology
Catholics probably won’t hear hip-hop at Mass anytime soon, but that doesn’t mean the genre doesn’t have a lot to say about God and the plight of God’s people. Much like liberation theology starts from the experience of the poor when talking about God, hip-hop, which originated in the South Bronx in the 1970s, expresses the struggles for justice and freedom of people living on the margins of America. That’s the case this week’s guest, Alex Nava, makes in his new book, Street Scriptures: Between God and Hip-Hop. Zac and Ashley ask Alex about the history of liberation theology and about the liberating potential of hip-hop.In Signs of the Times, we give an update on the crackdown Catholics and other opponents of the Ortega regime in Nicaragua and discuss the slick “He Gets Us” ads for Jesus at the Super Bowl. Were they an effective way to evangelize—or a massive waste of money?Links from the show:Pope Francis denounces imprisonment of Nicaragua’s Bishop Rolando ÁlvarezWhat the Jesus Super Bowl ads get right (and wrong) about evangelizationStreet Scriptures: Between God and Hip-HopWhat’s on tap?French 75 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Feb 10, 2023 • 48min
How Jean Vanier went from a ‘living saint’ to a sexual abuser
Jean Vanier was the founder of L’Arche, a network of intentional communities where people with and without disabilities live alongside one another in mutual friendship. While he was considered a “living saint” up until his death in 2019, allegations that he had sexually abused six adult, nondisabled women sent shockwaves throughout the L’Arche Community. And more recently, a nearly 900-page report was released last Monday shed more light on the scope of the abuse.Jenna Barnett has been following this story since it broke. She is the host of the new podcast “Lead Us Not” from Sojourners. We talk to Jenna about Vanier and how L’Arche is responding, as well as larger questions about how we hold in tension the good works created by deeply flawed, charismatic founders.During Signs of the Times, we talk about the developing situation between the church and the government in Nicaragua, where four priests were sentenced to 10 years in prison, as well as Notre Dame’s new food delivery robots. (After we recorded, news broke that the four priests were part of a group of 222 political prisoners who were deported from Nicaragua and will take refuge in the United States.)Links from the show: Listen to “Lead Us Not”New report finds evidence Jean Vanier founded L’Arche to reunite a religious sect with ‘mystical-sexual’ practicesExplainer: The Catholic Church’s fraught relationship with the Nicaraguan governmentRobot food delivery launches at the University of Notre DameRemembering Rachel Held EvansWhat’s on tap?Champagne for Zac’s 30th Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Feb 3, 2023 • 1h
Cardinal McElroy: Sex and sin need a new framework in the church
What would it take to build a radically inclusive church? That is the question Cardinal Robert McElroy took up in a recent article published by America. In it, he called on the church to dismantle the “structures and cultures of exclusion” that alienate some Catholics, including women, the poor, divorced-and-remarried couples and L.G.B.T. Catholics. Most controversially, he argued that people who do not conform to the church’s teaching on sex and marriage should not be excluded from receiving Communion.The article sparked a wide range of reactions online, and this week on “Jesuitical,” Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless bring on Cardinal McElroy on to the podcast to continue the conversation. They ask the cardinal whether he is in favor of open Communion, if the inclusion he’s advocating for requires a change in church teaching and if he’s worried that disagreements over the place of women and L.G.B.T. Catholics in the church could lead to schism.Cardinal McElroy shares his view that “judgmentalism is the worst sin in the Christian life,” and says his “pastoral vision here in San Diego is to make—and it’s hard to accomplish this—to make L.G.B.T. people feel equally welcome in the life of the church as everyone else.”Read, "Cardinal McElroy on ‘radical inclusion’ for L.G.B.T. people, women and others in the Catholic Church"Read the full transcript of Jesuitical's interview with Cardinal McElroy here.Watch: Why Pope Francis is going to South Sudan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jan 27, 2023 • 47min
Are Catholicism and Liberal Democracy Compatible?
The human person is an autonomous, self-governing and self-actualizing being. It has individual rights that no government or obligation should infringe upon. At least, that is the traditionally American, classically liberal way of viewing a human being. But does this view match up with a Christian anthropology? And what does that mean for how Christians should engage in the public sphere?This week, Ashley and Zac are joined by Susannah Black Roberts to discuss all of this and more. Susannah is a senior editor at Plough Quarterly and Mere Orthodoxy and the co-host of “The Ploughcast” podcast.During Signs of the Times, the hosts give an overview of a new interview with Pope Francis and talk about his disdain for “long homilies.” Links from the Show: Pope Francis gives major interview on his critics, sex abuse, decriminalizing homosexuality and morePope Francis: Long homilies are ‘a disaster’—keep it under 10 minutesOur post-liberal moment: What do we want? The common good! When do we want it? Now!Susannah Black Roberts and Christian Post-LiberalismIs Christianity Opposed to Liberalism?Plough QuarterlyThe Anchored Argosy: Alastair & Susannah Roberts' freight of wondersWhat’s on tap?Cosmopolitan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices