
Jesuitical
Welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast for young Catholics hosted by two young, lay editors at America—Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless. Each episode features a guest who offers a unique perspective on faith, culture or current events. We also bring you some of the top (and maybe more obscure) Catholic news of the week. And we'll ask: Where do we find God in all this?
Latest episodes

Jun 27, 2025 • 59min
What you need to know about Pope Leo XIV
This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley chat with Christopher White, the former Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter. Next month, Chris will start a new position as the associate director for strategic engagement and a senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Initiative on Catholic Social Thought and Public Life. Chris’s forthcoming book is, Pope Leo XIV: Inside the Conclave and the Dawn of a New Papacy.
Zac, Ashley and Chris discuss:
- Chris’s background as a Vatican reporter and the experience of covering the Vatican bureaucracy
- Why Chris argues that the conclave that elected Pope Leo XIV was the most important conclave in 60 years
- What Chris’s extensive research has revealed about the kind of person Pope Leo is
In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley chat with Connor Hartigan, Leilani Fuentes and Grace Lenahan as they end their 2024-25 Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J., Postgraduate Media Fellowships at America. Click here to learn more about the program. If you’re interested or know someone who might be interested in the fellowship, applications for the 2026-27 year open in September 2025. If you’d like more information, email us at jesuitical@americamedia.org.
Links for further reading:
- Take the 2025 Jesuitical Listener Survey!
- Learn about the Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J., Postgraduate Media Fellowship
- Pre-order Pope Leo XVI: Inside the Conclave and the Dawn of a New Papacy.
- NCR’s Vatican correspondent to join initiative at Georgetown University
- Christopher White at National Catholic Reporter
What’s on tap?
Chris: Gin martini
Fellows: Sauvignon Blanc
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Jun 20, 2025 • 46min
What Father James Martin is still learning about the spiritual life
This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley are thrilled to speak with their friend and colleague Father James Martin about his new podcast, “The Spiritual Life with Fr. James Martin, S.J.,” which launched this week.
We then share Jim’s conversation with actor and comedian Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi is known for playing a larger-than-life nun in “Sister Act,” but did you know she was also raised Catholic and educated by nuns until the eighth grade? Jim and Whoopi talk about her struggles with organized religion, the importance of laughter in a life of faith and her bold request to Pope Francis when they met in 2024.
Links from the show:
Listen to (or watch) “The Spiritual Life with Fr. James Martin, S.J., on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube.
Whoopi Goldberg on God, authenticity and ‘acting the fool’
Cardinal Timothy Radcliffe and the importance of friendship in the spiritual life
LAST CHANCE TO JOIN THE FIRST-EVER JESUITICAL RETREAT!
Join us at the studio and headquarters of America Media in New York City for two days of community, prayer and sharing stories of faith. Get a behind-the-scenes look at how we make the podcast, meet fellow young Catholics, pray with America staff and editor in chief Sam Sawyer, S.J., share meals and craft your own faith story with accompaniment from our team. There are only a few spots left, so sign up here today! We can’t wait to meet you.
Jesuitical Young Adult Retreat: What’s Your Story?
Open to ages 21-39
Friday, June 27th (evening) + Saturday, June 28th (all day)
New York, NY
Friday: America Media Office – 1212 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Saturday: Jesuits USA East Province – 39 E 83rd St, New York, NY 10028
Cost: $100
Housing: Participants are responsible for their own lodging in NYC
Capacity: The retreat will be capped at 30 participants. First come, first served.
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Jun 13, 2025 • 46min
Senator Chris Coons: Democrats need to talk about their faith
This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley talk with U.S. Senator Chris Coons, a Democrat who has served as a senator from Delaware since 2010.
Zac, Ashley and Senator Coons discuss:
How the senator’s Protestant upbringing and the example of his parents shaped his perspective on service
Why Democrats need to be more open about their faith in the public arena
How Senator Coons feels about having the first American pope
In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley discuss the recent removal of mosaics by alleged abuser Father Marko Rupnik from the Vatican News website and an op-ed in America by Archbishop John Wester on why President Trump’s “big beautiful bill” betrays the poor.
BE PART OF THE FIRST-EVER JESUITICAL RETREAT!
Join us at the studio and headquarters of America Media in New York City for two days of community, prayer and sharing stories of faith. Get a behind-the-scenes look at how we make the podcast, meet fellow young Catholics, pray with America staff and editor in chief Sam Sawyer, S.J., share meals and craft your own faith story with accompaniment from our team. Sign up here! We can’t wait to meet you.
Jesuitical Young Adult Retreat: What’s Your Story?
Open to ages 21-39
Friday, June 27th (evening) + Saturday, June 28th (all day)
New York, NY
Friday: America Media Office – 1212 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Saturday: Jesuits USA East Province – 39 E 83rd St, New York, NY 10028
Cost: $100
Housing: Participants are responsible for their own lodging in NYC
Capacity: The retreat will be capped at 30 participants. First come, first served.
Links for further reading:
Jesuitical Storytelling Retreat
Senator Chris Coons - Press Releases
Prayer, not Politics, on Wednesday Mornings, by Chris Coons
Mosaics of alleged abuser Father Marko Rupnik removed from Vatican News website
Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill’ betrays the poor. The church must oppose it.
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Jun 6, 2025 • 1h 5min
The story of the first quadriplegic Catholic priest on the road to sainthood
This week on “Jesuitical,” Zac and Ashley share a live interview recorded at 6ABC studios in Philadelphia, Pa., featuring prior provincial of the Province of St. Thomas of Villanova, Robert Hagan, O.S.A. Father Rob discusses the case for the canonization of Bill Atkinson, O.S.A., an Augustinan friar who was the first quadriplegic ordained in the Catholic Church and whose life—according to Father Rob—was a miracle.
Zac, Ashley and Father Rob discuss:
Father Rob’s vocation story and why Father Bill inspired him to become an Augustinian priest
How Father Bill’s radical dependence on others and unwavering faith in the midst of great suffering inspired those around him
The case for Father Bill’s canonization
In Signs of the Times, Zac and Ashley unpack recent backlash against the Charlotte diocese for a leaked draft on liturgical norms amid traditional Latin Mass restrictions; The Catholic University of America in Washington’s two new degrees in artificial intelligence; and Pope Leo and Russia’s President Vladimir Putin’s first phone call.
BE PART OF THE FIRST-EVER JESUITICAL RETREAT!
Join us at the studio and headquarters of America Media in New York City for two days of community, prayer and sharing stories of faith. Get a behind-the-scenes look at how we make the podcast, meet fellow young Catholics, pray with America staff and editor in chief Sam Sawyer, S.J., share meals and craft your own faith story with accompaniment from our team. Sign up here! We can’t wait to meet you.
Jesuitical Young Adult Retreat: What’s Your Story?
Open to ages 21-39
Friday, June 27th (evening) + Saturday, June 28th (all day)
New York, NY
Friday: America Media Office – 1212 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Saturday: Jesuits USA East Province – 39 E 83rd St, New York, NY 10028
Cost: $100
Housing: Participants are responsible for their own lodging in NYC
Capacity: The retreat will be capped at 30 participants. First come, first served.
Links for further reading:
Jesuitical Storytelling Retreat
Who is Fr. Bill Atkinson?
Meet Fr. Bill Atkinson, OSA–the first quadriplegic Catholic priest
Green Bananas: The Wisdom of Father Bill Atkinson
Charlotte diocese faces backlash for leaked draft on liturgical norms amid traditional Latin Mass restrictions
Catholic University of America to launch new degrees in A.I.
Pope Leo XIV and Russia’s Vladimir Putin have first phone call
Fr. Bill Atkinson, O.S.A,, found God beyond the labels that divide us
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May 30, 2025 • 1h 2min
Exodus 90 Founder and CEO on asceticism, masculinity and becoming uncommonly free
Joining Zac and Ashley on this week’s episode of “Jesuitical” is Jamie Baxter, Founder & CEO of Exodus 90. The program, which helps men to strengthen their faith through prayer, asceticism and fraternity, faced some early skepticism from the Church—and the Jesuitical team—that led to valuable innovation.
Zac, Ashley and Jamie discuss:
Jamie’s conversion story, going to seminary and ultimately discerning out
How the idea for Exodus 90 originated and the challenge of being an entrepreneur in the Catholic Church
What asceticism can teach men about life, sacrifice, community and finding God
Healthy (and unhealthy) “Catholic masculinity” and men’s spiritual formation
BE PART OF THE FIRST-EVER JESUITICAL RETREAT!
Join us at the studio and headquarters of America Media in New York City for two days of community, prayer and sharing stories of faith. Get a behind-the-scenes look at how we make the podcast, meet fellow young Catholics, pray with America staff and editor-in-chief Sam Sawyer, S.J., share meals and craft your own faith story with accompaniment from our team. Sign up here! We can’t wait to meet you.
Jesuitical Young Adult Retreat: What’s Your Story?
Open to ages 21-39
Friday, June 27th (evening) + Saturday, June 28th (all day)
New York, NY
Friday: America Media Office – 1212 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Saturday: Jesuits USA East Province – 39 E 83rd St, New York, NY 10028
Cost: $100
Housing: Participants are responsible for their own lodging in NYC
Capacity: The retreat will be capped at 30 participants. First come, first served.
Links for further reading:
Jesuitical Storytelling Retreat
Exodus 90
Jamie Baxter’s life and conversion story
Do I really have to give up the big game during Exodus 90?!
Fasting, praying and working out: What ‘Exodus 90’ gets right—and wrong—about asceticism for men
Podcast: Prayer, fasting and...working out? What is Exodus 90?
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May 23, 2025 • 56min
Pope Leo XIV: The overlooked experiences that will shape his papacy
On this week’s episode of “Jesuitical,” Ashley and Zac are joined by Mark Francis, C.S.V., who was a seminary classmate of Pope Leo (then known as Bob Prevost) at Catholic Theological Union in Chicago in the late 1970s. Father Mark is the provincial of the Chicago province of the Viatorian community, and he describes Pope Leo as a thoughtful and sensitive leader—even in their seminary days.
Zac, Ashley, and Fr. Mark discuss:
Pope Leo’s formation at C.T.U., where he learned alongside women and engaged with social justice issues
How Pope Leo’s language skills, governing experience and global perspective will be key assets in his papacy
Why efforts to put Pope Leo in a box are doomed to fail
Links for further reading:
Jesuitical Storytelling Retreat
Podcast: Inside Pope Leo XIV’s first week
Pope Leo XIV, in first U.S. appointment, names San Diego’s new bishop
Pope Leo’s first audience: God’s love is generous, not calculating
Pope Leo’s Chicago roots: a conversation with Cardinal Cupich
Leo XIV: An American pope for the end of American empire?
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May 12, 2025 • 33min
What Pope Leo’s first days tell us about his priorities
Welcome to America magazine’s Conclave Podcast. Our editors are on the ground in Rome covering the first days of Leo XIV’s historic papacy.
Today, Pope Leo met with members of the Vatican press corps and the thousands of other media in Rome covering his election, telling them to be peacemakers and calling for the release of all imprisoned journalists.
On our final episode recorded in Rome, the team discusses:
How Pope Leo related to the media, and the importance of his message of peace and truth in a world threatened by war and the rise of A.I.
Pope Leo’s meeting with the College of Cardinals on Saturday, in which he signaled that he would continue the work started by Pope Francis
Pope Leo’s “honeymoon” period—and the opposition he will inevitably face
This episode features:
Sebastian Gomes, America’s executive editor of audio and video
Gerard O’Connell, America’s Vatican correspondent
Ashley McKinless, executive editor and co-host of America’s “Jesuitical” podcast
Links from the show:
Pope Leo XIV calls for the release of imprisoned journalists, tells media to be peacemakers
Full text: Pope Leo XIV’s address to the media
Pope Leo XIV’s message to the cardinals: Vatican II and Pope Francis are here to stay
Full text: Pope Leo XIV’s first formal address to the College of Cardinals
Interview: Chicago’s Cardinal Cupich on why the cardinals chose Pope Leo XIV
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May 11, 2025 • 23min
Pope Leo XIV is an Augustinian friar. Here's what that means
Welcome to America magazine’s Conclave Podcast. In this episode, the team discusses the Augustinian (and American) roots of Pope Leo XIV.
They discuss:
Pope Leo XIV is an alum of Villanova University. What’s the atmosphere is like on campus right now?
The Augustinian roots of Pope Leo: the intellectual, spiritual and social principles that will lead his ministry
How poverty, chastity and obedience are a path to freedom and joy
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Links from the show:
Pope Leo XIV’s first Sunday blessing: Appeals for peace, vocations and happy Mother’s Day.
Full text: Pope Leo XIV’s first formal address to the College of Cardinals
Pope Leo XIV’s message to the cardinals: Vatican II and Pope Francis are here to stay
Pope Leo XIV: What to expect in the coming days
Full text: Pope Leo XIV’s first homily
Who was Pope Leo XIII?
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May 9, 2025 • 25min
What Pope Leo XIV’s speedy election means for the Catholic Church
Welcome to America magazine’s Conclave Podcast. In this episode, veteran Vatican reporter Gerard O'Connell speaks to Colleen Dulle and Sam Sawyer, SJ about the unexpectedly quick election of Pope Leo XIV, who was elected on the fourth ballot in the conclave.
They discuss:
What the speedy election tell us about the conclave?
Why a pope from the U.S. was thought to be "impossible", and why it happened anyway.
Analyzing Leo XIV's first address to the world and homily to the cardinals.
Who was Leo XIII? Who is Leo XIV in light of his legacy?
Leo XIV was once a poor missionary in Peru and a capable administrator on a global stage
Subscribe to America to get our extensive coverage of the historic election of Pope Leo XIV at: https://www.americamagazine.org/subscribe
Links from the show:
Pope Leo XIV: What to expect in the coming days
Full text: Pope Leo XIV’s first homily
Who was Pope Leo XIII?
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May 8, 2025 • 21min
Habemus papam! The first American pope is elected, and we love him.
Welcome to the America magazine conclave podcast. We are thrilled to join the church in welcoming Pope Leo XIV!
Our team was just in St. Peter’s Square for the historic election, and we’re here with first reactions and some important details about the life and ministry of the missionary Augustinian friar turned pope: the now former-Cardinal Robert F. Prevost.
Links from the show:
Robert Francis Prevost elected first American pope
Peru rejoices for their former bishop: Pope Leo XIV
Prepare to be surprised by the next pope
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