

CleanLaw
HLS Environmental & Energy Law Program
The Harvard Law School Environmental & Energy Law Program influences policy discussions about environmental, climate, and energy issues. The EELP offers robust legal analysis and practical governance solutions that will move these discussions forward.
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Apr 11, 2019 • 22min
Episode 17: Robin Just asks Caitlin McCoy about Keystone XL
Robin Just speaks with Caitlin McCoy about developments in the Keystone XL permitting process, now that President Trump has issued both a new permit for the pipeline and two new Executive Orders that relate to pipelines, and other infrastructure.
Transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/CleanLaw-17-Robin-Caitlin-Keystone.pdf

Mar 28, 2019 • 31min
Episode 16: Caitlin McCoy and Sarah Light - Regulatory Horcruxes
Caitlin McCoy speaks with Sarah Light, Assistant Professor of Legal Studies and Business Ethics at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania about her article, Regulatory Horcruxes, in which she describes how regulatory programs can be split up among federal agencies, state agencies, and even private actors, and how that fragmentation can insulate programs from future deregulatory actions.
Read Prof. Light’s article in the Duke Law Journal here https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3123814
Transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/CleanLaw-16-Caitlin-Sarah-Light-Horcruxes.pdf

Mar 20, 2019 • 23min
Episode 15: Hana Vizcarra and Sarah Light - The Law of Corporation as Environmental Law
How can business law better incentivize companies to take environmental consequences into account? In her latest article, Wharton Prof. Sarah Light, asks this question. EELP Staff Attorney Hana Vizcarra spoke with her about her ideas.
Read Prof. Light’s full article in the Stanford Law Review here https://www.stanfordlawreview.org/print/article/the-law-of-the-corporation-as-environmental-law/
Transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/CleanLaw-15-Hana-Sarah-Light-Enviro-Business-Law.pdf

Mar 7, 2019 • 10min
Episode 14: Kathy Fallon Lambert on Policy-Relevant Science
When we spoke with Kathy Fallon Lambert about the science that should be underpinning the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards and the Clean Power Plan replacement, she told us why scientists should not be afraid to do work that is "usable, useful, and used." So here's a ten-minute crash course on the benefits of policy-relevant science. Enjoy!

Mar 7, 2019 • 51min
Episode 13: Joe Goffman & Kathy Fallon Lambert on MATS/CPP/ACE and Public Health
Joe Goffman speaks with Kathy Fallon Lambert of the Harvard School of Public Health about her recent studies, with a team of many other scientists, that highlight overlooked potential public health impacts of EPA’s proposed changes to the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards and the Clean Power Plan/Affordable Clean Energy Rule (if you want to go straight to the CPP/ACE discussion go to 27:15).
Links to the mentioned studies here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/kathy-fallon-lambert-and-joe-goffman-discuss-mats-and-ace/
Transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Fallon-Lambert-and-Goffman-scrpt.pdf

Feb 15, 2019 • 42min
Episode 12: Joe Goffman & Janet McCabe Talk about the MATS Rollback
With Gina McCarthy, Janet McCabe and Joe Goffman led the team that developed the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards. Hear them discuss the effects of a new proposal to remove the legal foundation of the rule, and what might happen next. Janet's recent paper on this is here https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2019/02/janet-mccabe-epa-mats-revision/ and our recent analysis of the rollback is here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/mats-cost-benefit-analysis-and-the-appropriate-and-necessary-finding/
Full transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CleanLaw-12-Joe-Janet-MATS-rollbacks.pdf

Jan 25, 2019 • 35min
Episode 11: Caitlin McCoy Interviews Eric Lipton on His Coverage of Trump Rollbacks
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter for the New York Times Eric Lipton speaks with Climate, Clean Air, & Energy Fellow Caitlin McCoy about his recent special report, “This is Our Reality Now,” covering the environmental and public health impacts of the Trump administration’s deregulatory agenda in four communities across the country. See the special report here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/26/us/politics/donald-trump-environmental-regulation.html
Full transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CleanLaw-11-Caitlin-Lipton-NYT-degreg-coverage.pdf

Dec 14, 2018 • 49min
Episode 10: Caitlin McCoy and Sarah Winner Talk WOTUS/Clean Water Rule
Our Climate, Clean Air, & Energy Fellow Caitlin McCoy speaks with Sarah Winner, Staff Attorney of the Center for Coalfield Justice and Interim Executive Director of the Three Rivers Waterkeeper, about the proposed Clean Water Act rule on the revised definition of “Waters of the United States” and the potential implications of the new rule for stream and wetland protection.
Full transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CleanLaw-10-Caitlin-Winner-WOTUS.pdf

Dec 6, 2018 • 32min
Episode 9: Joe Goffman and Hana Vizcarra on George H.W. Bush's Environmental Legacy
Staff Attorney Hana Vizcarra speaks with our Executive Director Joe Goffman about the environmental legacy of George H. W. Bush. Joe shares his unique insider’s view as he reflects on one of the greatest contributions any president has made to public health and the environment.
Full transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CleanLaw-9-Hana-Joe-George-Bush.pdf

Nov 29, 2018 • 33min
Episode 8: Jesse Jenkins and Ari Peskoe on Renewables and Electricity Markets
Our Electricity Law Initiative Director Ari Peskoe interviews Jesse Jenkins, a post-doctoral fellow at the Harvard University Center for the Environment. Ari and Jesse discuss fundamental principles of electricity market design and whether these principles will continue to apply to a low-carbon grid with high levels of wind and solar. Visit our website at https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/
Full transcript available here https://eelp.law.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CleanLaw-8-Ari-Jesse-Jenkins-Renewables-and-Electricy-Mkts.pdf