
Distance To Empty
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Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.
Latest episodes

Aug 5, 2024 • 58min
2024 Bigfoot 200 Course Preview
In this episode, Kevin and Peter provide an in-depth course preview of the Bigfoot 200 ultra marathon. They discuss each section of the race, including the elevation gain and loss, the difficulty of the trails, and the availability of water sources. They also mention the aid stations and the opportunity for crew and pacers. The conversation highlights the challenging and beautiful nature of the course, with sections that are steep, overgrown, and remote. Overall, it provides valuable insights for runners preparing for the Bigfoot 200. The conversation provides a methodical review of the Bigfoot 200 course, highlighting the key sections and challenges. The main themes include the recommended sections to have a pacer, the abundance of blueberries and huckleberries along the course, the presence of bears and other wildlife, the river crossings, the climb to Elk Peak, the difficulty of the Clickitat to Twin Sisters section, the net downhill of the Owens Creek to the finish, and the overall difficulty and uniqueness of the race. The conversation also includes a snack review and a game of Let's Get Deep.

Jul 29, 2024 • 1h 5min
Badwater 135 & The Mighty Gallatin 300
In this episode, the hosts are joined by Francis Picard for a bonus intro guest. Francis recently completed the Badwater 135 race. They discuss Francis' experience at the race, including the challenging start, managing nutrition in the heat, and dealing with bees along the course. They also talk about the high and low points of the race and whether they would do it again. In the second part of the episode, they interview Connor, the first and only finisher of the Mighty Gallatin, a rugged 300+ mile stage race in Montana. Connor discusses his experience participating in the Mighty Gallatin, a stage run in Montana covering 281 miles over seven days. He shares the challenges of the course, including difficult navigation, rugged terrain, extreme elevations, and unpredictable weather. Connor also talks about the communal aspect of the event, where all the runners and volunteers shared a campground each night, creating a unique bond. He emphasizes the importance of preparation, refueling, and taking care of his feet each day. Connor's thru-hiking background and experience in ultra running helped him navigate the course and move efficiently. Connor shares his experience of finishing the Mighty Gallatin, a 200+ mile race in Montana. He describes the excitement and camaraderie among the participants and the emotional moment of crossing the finish line together. Connor also reflects on the mental challenges of the race and the importance of staying positive and shifting mindset during low moments. He discusses his future plans, including racing in France and pursuing fastest known times (FKTs). Connor highlights the beauty of the Montana wilderness and the need to make events like the Mighty Gallatin more accessible to others. He also shares his encounters with wildlife, including a close encounter with a black bear.

Jul 16, 2024 • 58min
Megan Eckert - 200+ Miles in Back Yard Ultras and Looped Courses!
Megan Eckert, an ultra runner, shares her journey in the sport and her recent success at Six Days in the Dome. She started with a half marathon and fell in love with the distance, eventually transitioning to trail marathons and ultras. Megan found success in looped courses and backyard style races, enjoying the timed events and the community. She ran 526 miles at Six Days in the Dome, proving her ability to handle the distance. Megan emphasizes the importance of strength training and listening to her body for recovery. She approaches races with a gamification mindset and finds motivation in the support of her crew and the camaraderie of the running community. Megan Eckert discusses her experience in multi-day ultra races, including the challenges of changing her diet during a race and the importance of trusting her crew. She also talks about her approach to heat training and her interest in participating in 200-mile trail races. Megan shares her coaching experience and how she hopes to inspire her students to pursue running. She reflects on her lowest low in a race and her highest high, as well as her favorite food and gear for multi-day events. Megan concludes by stating that she is still searching for her distance to empty.

Jul 8, 2024 • 1h 12min
Tahoe 200 & Racing with Type 1 Diabetes w/ Charlie Catalano
Charlie Catalano, an ultra runner with type 1 diabetes, shares his journey into the sport and his experience running the Tahoe 200. He discusses the challenges of managing his diabetes while training and racing, including monitoring his blood glucose levels and adjusting his insulin intake. Charlie emphasizes the importance of thriving (not just surviving!) with a chronic illness and finding support within the diabetic athlete community. He also highlights how he strategically used race cutoffs to his advantage, maximizing his care, sleep, and fueling during the race. Charlie shares his experience of participating in the Tahoe 200 race, a 200-mile ultra-endurance event. He discusses the importance of self-care and rest during the race, as well as the strategy of allowing oneself more time to rest in order to maximize performance. Charlie emphasizes the beauty of first-time experiences and the sense of accomplishment that comes with completing a challenging race. He also reflects on the impact of ultra-running on his perspective on life, highlighting the belief that one can do hard things and the importance of commitment and perseverance. Charlie shares his future race plans and expresses gratitude for the support and inspiration he has received from the ultra-running community.

Jul 1, 2024 • 1h 5min
Tahoe 200 w/ Melanie White
Melanie White shares her experience running the Tahoe 200 mile race, discussing the challenges she faced, including vomiting, breathing issues, and quad problems. She highlights the beauty of the course and the camaraderie among runners and volunteers. Melanie emphasizes the importance of sleep during the race and her ability to nap quickly. She also mentions the hot dog incident at the aid station and the pivotal moment when she was able to eat a Crunchwrap Supreme. Kevin Goldberg, her husband and pacer, provides additional insights and support throughout the conversation. In this conversation, Melanie reflects on her experience running the Tahoe 200 race. She discusses the challenges she faced, including quad issues and tough sections of the course. Melanie also shares her mindset during the race and her determination to finish despite the difficulties. She talks about the weather conditions, her favorite moments, and the support she received from her crew. Additionally, Melanie highlights the importance of having a strong 'why' and supporting organizations like Free to Run. The conversation concludes with a gear review and a fun segment of Let's Get Deep.

Jun 24, 2024 • 57min
Party Pacing 200s w/ Jessica Wicks!
Jessica Wicks shares her journey from a non-runner to a 200-mile ultra runner, discussing her background, mental and physical challenges, and the unique experiences of being a back-of-the-pack runner. She also highlights the community, spiritual transformation, and the joy of meeting forever friends on the course. In this conversation, Jessica Wicks discusses her experiences with ultra-running, including insights into the unique challenges and rewards of participating in 200-mile races. She shares her thoughts on the spiritual and personal growth aspects of these races, as well as her upcoming race plans and training strategies.

Jun 17, 2024 • 1h 13min
Rachel Entrekin - 2024 Cocodona 250 Winner
Rachel Entrekin shares her journey into ultrarunning and her experience at the Cocodona 250 race. She talks about how she got into running and gradually progressed to longer distances. Rachel discusses her goals for the race, including enjoying the experience, finishing, and sleeping in a bed by Thursday evening. She also talks about the challenges she faced during the race, including nutrition issues and getting sick. Rachel highlights the importance of having a supportive crew and trusting their decisions. She also mentions the competitiveness of the women's field and hopes to see more women excel at this distance. Rachel reflects on her experience at Cocodona 250, highlighting the challenging climb up Mount Elden and the importance of knowing the course. She discusses the differences between timed track events and mountainous ultras, expressing a preference for the social aspect of timed events. Rachel also mentions her interest in attempting longer multi-day FKTs and the financial challenges of participating in destination trail events. She advises newcomers to rely on a supportive crew and emphasizes the significance of rest during the race. Rachel's highest high was the surprise visit from her run club friends, and her favorite gear was the sun shirt she wore throughout the race.

Jun 10, 2024 • 1h 6min
2024 Tahoe 200 Course Preview w/ Chad Bruce
In this episode, the hosts and guest discuss the Tahoe 200 mile endurance run, providing a detailed course preview and sharing personal experiences from the race. They cover various sections of the course, including the start at Heavenly to Armstrong Pass, Armstrong to Housewife Hill, Heavenly to Spooner, Spooner Summit to Village Green, Brockway Summit to Tahoe City, and more. The conversation also delves into the challenges, highlights, and unique aspects of each section, as well as the overall experience of the race. Chad shares his experiences and memories from the Tahoe 200 race, discussing aid stations, weather conditions, trail sections, and the challenges of sleep deprivation. He also talks about his upcoming races and the significance of the Arizona Monster 300 and the Triple Crown of 200s.

Jun 3, 2024 • 1h 8min
Longevity in 200 Mile Ultras w/ Michael Koppy
Michael Koppy shares his journey into ultra running, from his high school running experiences to his transition into ultra triathlons and eventually 200-mile races. He discusses his approach to training, the transformative experience of running 200s, and his FKT achievements on long trails. The conversation also touches on age-related achievements and the future of his running goals. Michael Koppy, an experienced ultra runner, shares insights on defying age limitations, maintaining physical health, and efficient race strategies. He emphasizes the importance of movement, strength training, and efficient aid station protocols. His upcoming races and future goals reflect his relentless pursuit of new challenges and distances.

May 27, 2024 • 1h 6min
200+ Mile Musings post Cocodona 250 w/ Jake Jackson
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Jake Jackson discusses his experience running the Cocodona 250 race, including his training approach, sleep strategy, and challenges faced during the race. He talks about the mental and physical preparation required for a multi-day race and the importance of having a supportive crew. Jake also shares his memorable moments and surprises along the course, as well as the gear and nutrition adjustments he made for the race. Jake Jackson discusses his experience at the Cocodona 250 race and his decision to sign up for the race again in 2025. He reflects on the challenges he faced during the race and the lessons he learned. Jake talks about the importance of nutrition, sleep, and training for steep climbs. He also shares his thoughts on foot care and the water crossings during the race. Jake discusses his future goals, including making the US 24-hour national team, and offers advice for first-time 200-mile racers.