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Science Friction's latest season is: Artificial Evolution. In 1996, Dolly the Sheep became the first ever cloned animal. Nearly 30 years later, genetic technology has reshaped the world around us. What exactly has happened, where are we headed, and are we OK about it?
In this series, environment reporter Peter de Kruijff tells the surprising stories of genetic engineering. Meet the scientists changing the food we eat and creating animals with organs we can use. Hear about the criminal conspiracy to clone a giant sheep, and the teams bringing extinct animals back from the dead.
Artificial Evolution traces the influence of genetic technology from Dolly into the future. It’s the latest series of Science Friction, an award-winning podcast from ABC Radio National.
Brain Rot (Season 3): How does being chronically online affect our brains? Technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre explores the wildest ways people are using tech — from falling in love with AI companions to data-dumping a life into a language model — and the big questions about our own screen use.
Cooked (Season 2): Why do some studies show ice cream is good for you? Why do some people say they feel good going carnivore, and do we really need as many electrolytes as the internet tells us? Food and nutrition scientist Dr Emma Beckett cuts through these confusing findings to explain how nutrition science works.
AI Overlords (Season 1): AI didn't come from nowhere, and its development hasn't been a smooth, straight line — it's been rife with drama, conflict and disagreement. Technology reporter James Purtill looks at where AI came from, who controls it and where it's heading.
In this series, environment reporter Peter de Kruijff tells the surprising stories of genetic engineering. Meet the scientists changing the food we eat and creating animals with organs we can use. Hear about the criminal conspiracy to clone a giant sheep, and the teams bringing extinct animals back from the dead.
Artificial Evolution traces the influence of genetic technology from Dolly into the future. It’s the latest series of Science Friction, an award-winning podcast from ABC Radio National.
Brain Rot (Season 3): How does being chronically online affect our brains? Technology reporter Ange Lavoipierre explores the wildest ways people are using tech — from falling in love with AI companions to data-dumping a life into a language model — and the big questions about our own screen use.
Cooked (Season 2): Why do some studies show ice cream is good for you? Why do some people say they feel good going carnivore, and do we really need as many electrolytes as the internet tells us? Food and nutrition scientist Dr Emma Beckett cuts through these confusing findings to explain how nutrition science works.
AI Overlords (Season 1): AI didn't come from nowhere, and its development hasn't been a smooth, straight line — it's been rife with drama, conflict and disagreement. Technology reporter James Purtill looks at where AI came from, who controls it and where it's heading.
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Jan 15, 2023 • 30min
Escaping Russia's new Iron Curtain — superstar science podcaster Ilya Kolmanovsky (REPEAT)
Science journalist, biologist, podcaster, teacher and activist Dr Ilya Kolmanovsky is a superstar science communicator.He hosts one of the biggest Russian language podcasts. Bigger than podcasts on sex or politics.But he's no stranger to the brutality of Russia's political leadership.Now, with Putin's violent invasion of Ukraine and as a new Iron Curtain descends, Ilya and thousands of others inside Russia have just made the most wrenching decision of their lives.For RN Summer we're playing some our favourite programs from the past year. This program was first broadcast in March 2022.Guest:Dr Ilya KolmanovskyScience journalist, biologist, podcaster, presenterFurther information:Goliy Zemlekop (Naked Mole-Rat) podcasthttps://zemlekop.libsyn.com/websiteSound engineer: Matthew Sigley

Jan 8, 2023 • 30min
AI ethics leader Timnit Gebru is changing it up after Google fired her (REPEAT)
Leading computer scientist and co-founder of Black in A.I, Dr Timnit Gebru, was hired by Google to co-lead its Ethical AI team with another tech industry trailblazer Dr Margaret Mitchell.The team investigated the ethics of artificial intelligence to understand and prevent its potential harms.Timnit was the first Black woman the company had employed in a research scientist role.Then Google terminated her contract sparking an international outcry.Some 7000 industry colleagues and others, including thousands within Google itself, signed a petition protesting her departure.Then Dr Margaret Mitchell was fired too.Now Timnit is driving "community-rooted" artificial intelligence research free from what she describes as "Big Tech's pervasive influence".For RN Summer we're playing some our favourite programs from the past year. This program was first broadcast in April 2022.Guest:Dr Timnit Gebru@TimnitGebruComputer scientist and engineerFounder of the Distributed A.I Research Institute (DAIR)Co-founder, Black in A.IFurther info:The Algorithmic Justice LeagueCoded Bias (documentary film)Data in SocietyGender Shades: Intersectional Accuracy Disparities in Commercial Gender Classification (Buolamwini, Gebru; 2018)Timnit Gebru's publications (Google Scholar)Petition in support of Dr Timnit GebruWhy Timnit Gebru Isn’t Waiting for Big Tech to Fix AI's Problems (Time, 2022)Timnit Gebru is building a slow AI movement (IEEE Spectrum, 2022)On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big? (Bender, Gebru, McMillan-Major, Mitchell; 2021)AI at Google (Sundar Pichai, 2018)"The withering email that got an ethical AI researcher fired at Google" (Platformer, 2020)"We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google. Here's what it says" (MIT Technology Review, 2020)"Inside Timnit Gebru's last days at Google - and what happens next" (MIT Technology Review, 2020)Google fires top AI ethics researcher Margaret MitchellOn racialised tech organisations and complaint - a goodbye to Google (Alex Hanna, 2022)Constructing a Visual Dataset to Study the Effects of Spatial Apartheid in South Africa (Sefala, Gebru, Mfupe, Moorosi, 2021)The In/justices of AI (Science Friction, ABC RN, 2020)Chatbot mania and algorithms of oppression (Science Friction, ABC RN, 2017)

Jan 1, 2023 • 30min
Scratch that itch! Meet the Sneaky Artist (REPEAT)
What does it take to reimagine your life?In this occasional Science Friction series, scientists who end-up their lives and strip themselves of their professional identity to become artists.Kolkata-born engineer Nishant Jain flew in the face of expectations, threw in a PhD in biomechanics, and reinvented himself as a cartoonist, writer, and self-taught artist.Now the self-described 'Sneaky Artist' hosts a podcast of the same name and sells his urban artworks to a growing global fanbase.For RN Summer we're playing some our favourite programs from the past year. This program was first broadcast in April 2022.Guest:Nishant Jain@SneakyArtThe Sneaky ArtistArtist, cartoonist, writer, urban sketcherVancouver, Canada

Dec 25, 2022 • 30min
The mighty fly army (REPEAT)
It started with an idea.Then came the university car park full of tonnes of fish heads.Now this extraordinary 20-something couple have deployed a mighty maggot army to turn 50 tonnes of food waste a week into … well, you'll want to listen to find out.A story of science, ingenuity, and revolution.We throw out a third of the food we produce, and the food system is one of the biggest contributors to global warming. Let's stop the rot!For RN Summer we're playing some our favourite programs from the past year. This program was first broadcast in July 2022.Guests:Phoebe GardnerCEO and co-founder, BardeeArchitectAlex ArnoldCTO and co-founder, BardeeScientistStephanie StubbeVet and founder, AniPalAnna AugustineProject ManagerTrader HouseJames GrantJunior sous chefCumulus, MelbourneFurther information:BardeeThe Melbourne Accelerator program

Dec 16, 2022 • 30min
Brains vs brains, boys vs girls! Science Friction's 2022 quiz show
Two teams. Scientists and science journalists. Brains vs brains. Boys vs Girls. From the small (bed bug sex) to the big (er, the whole cosmos), it's the year in science with a tongue firmly in our cheeks.

Dec 9, 2022 • 30min
Prison for protesting - climate change activists or criminals?
The long prison sentence given to Sydney climate protester Deanna 'Violet' Coco for blocking traffic on the Sydney Harbour bridge has surprised many, including her fellow protester Jay, who spent 42 days under house arrest. Are new laws suppressing fundamental human rights to protest, or a proportionate response to disruptive blockades?Note: Since making the show, Violet Coco, has been released on bail, as from 13th December.

Dec 2, 2022 • 30min
The soul in the machine — anthropologist, technologist, futurist Genevieve Bell
We make machines, but do our machines make us? And who's in control really? Superstar anthropologist, technologist, futurist, cyberneticist, and Silicon Valley insider Genevieve Bell and guests talk machines, minds and messing with the code to make the world so much better.

Nov 25, 2022 • 30min
The End of the Universe with poet Alicia Sometimes (Part 2 of 2)
If the universe began with a big bang, how will it end? This question has suddenly got very personal for acclaimed science poet Alicia Sometimes.Physicists have got some hair-raising ideas, from the Big Crunch to the Big Rip. The personal, the poetic, and the physical of endings this week on Science Friction.Hear Part 1: What Came Before the Big BangGuests:Alicia SometimesPoet, writer, broadcaster, podcasterChris FerrieQuantum physicist, Associate Professor, Centre for Quantum Software and InformationUniversity of Technology, SydneyAuthor, Quantum Physics for Babies (and other children's books)Katie MackTheoretical cosmologist, Associate professor, Department of PhysicsNorth Carolina State University,Hawking Chair in Cosmology and Science CommunicationPerimeter Institute for Theoretical PhysicsAuthor, The End of Everything (Astrophysically Speaking)Writer: Alicia SometimesWriter: Alicia SometimesProducers: Alicia Sometimes, Natasha MitchellSound Engineer: Matthew Crawford

Nov 17, 2022 • 30min
Presents: WHO'S GONNA SAVE US? Citizens Assemble!
Should solving climate change be left to politicians? What if YOU could drive policy without ever running for an election?WHO'S GONNA SAVE US? is an ABC podcast about the people who are trying to map out a better future in the face of the climate crisis.France gave so-called 'deliberative democracy' a crack, where lay citizens are assembled to deliberate and shape vital policies. Europe is ahead of the game in this, but find out what happened next in the French experiment.Catch up on the whole series HERE, or wherever you get your podcasts.Guests: Amandine Roggeman, Louis-Gaeten Giraudet, Professor Nicole Curato.Host: Jo LauderReporters: Jo LauderSeries Producer: Cheyne AndersonExecutive Producer (audio): Joel WernerExecutive Producer (digital): Clare BlumerSound engineer: Hamish Camilleri

Nov 11, 2022 • 30min
Presents: WHO'S GONNA SAVE US? Better Call Saul
Saul Griffith has an ambitious plan to save the planet. It all begins at home and it's completely electrifying!WHO'S GONNA SAVE US? is an ABC podcast about the people who are trying to map out a better future in the face of the climate crisis. Catch up on the whole series HERE, or wherever you get your podcasts.Guests: Saul Griffith, Andrew Davies, Cameron GardinerHost: Jo LauderReporters: Joel Werner, James PurtillSeries Producer: Cheyne AndersonExecutive Producer (audio): Joel WernerExecutive Producer (digital): Clare BlumerSound engineer: Hamish Camilleri