

The Psychedelic Podcast
Third Wave
The Psychedelic Podcast connects you to the leaders and pioneers of the psychedelic renaissance.
From deep healing to creativity, leadership to spirituality, business, health, human performance, relationships, sexuality, and even culture itself—every aspect of our world is being transformed by psychedelic medicines.
Get an inspired, informed, balanced look into how these powerful medicines are already being safely and responsibly used to catalyze both personal and collective transformation.
Whether you're just curious or a seasoned psychonaut, or somewhere in between, you'll get insightful, practical, cutting-edge conversations from the forefront of the psychedelic movement.
Join us as we explore how psychedelics can be integrated into culture for the evolution of humanity.
From deep healing to creativity, leadership to spirituality, business, health, human performance, relationships, sexuality, and even culture itself—every aspect of our world is being transformed by psychedelic medicines.
Get an inspired, informed, balanced look into how these powerful medicines are already being safely and responsibly used to catalyze both personal and collective transformation.
Whether you're just curious or a seasoned psychonaut, or somewhere in between, you'll get insightful, practical, cutting-edge conversations from the forefront of the psychedelic movement.
Join us as we explore how psychedelics can be integrated into culture for the evolution of humanity.
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Oct 3, 2023 • 1h 16min
Lauren Sambataro - The Holistic Equation: Strength Training, Mindful Eating, & Mental Well-Being
Lauren Sambataro, Holistic Lifestyle & Movement Coach, discusses the interplay between trauma and inflammation, the role of psychedelics in personal growth, and the connection between strength training, mindful eating, and mental well-being. The hosts explore foundational practices for achieving balance, including curiosity, intuition, and the mind-body connection. They also emphasize the importance of honesty, self-assessment, and a holistic approach to health and well-being.

Sep 26, 2023 • 1h 10min
Imran Khan - From Stigma to Science: The Evolution of Psychedelic Research
In this Psychedelic Podcast episode, host Paul F. Austin speaks with Imran Khan, Executive Director of the UC Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics (BCSP). Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-214-imran-khan_/ The conversation explores diverse topics, from the recent MAPS conference to Khan's career journey and BCSP's mission to reshape psychedelic awareness. It asks the essential question: How can the field of psychedelics strike a balance between rapid growth, scientific rigor, and ethical considerations? Paul and Imran dissect the accelerating shift in public sentiment, evidenced by UC Berkeley's survey indicating that 61% of Americans support psychedelic therapy. This episode offers a multifaceted dialogue navigating the complexities of psychedelics, science, and society. Imran Khan: Imran Khan is Executive Director of the UC Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics (BCSP). The BCSP exists to explore the potential of psychedelics through independent and rigorous research, training, and public education at one of the world's foremost universities. Imran has spent most of his career working at the nexus of science and society. He was previously the CEO of the British Science Association and ran grants programs for the Wellcome Trust, the world's third-largest charitable foundation. Imran has also advised lawmakers in the UK Parliament. He has presented at forums ranging from the Aspen Ideas Festival to the World Economic Forum and SXSW. His writing has appeared in the Financial Times, the Guardian, and BBC News. Imran has degrees in biology and in science communication from the University of Oxford and Imperial College London, respectively, and an MBA from City University, London. He now lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and enjoys trail-running, many forms of nerdery, and trying to cook the perfect dal. Highlights: Paul & Imran's reflections on the 2023 MAPS Psychedelic Science Conference. Imran's career trajectory and motivations for working with psychedelics. The surprising results of the UC Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics (BCSP) public survey. How history has informed BCSP's approach to psychedelic science. BCSP's role as a reliable voice in the field of psychedelic education. BCSP's psychedelic journalism fellowship, sponsored by Tim Ferriss. Berkeley's psychedelic facilitator training program. The impact of California's Senate Bill 58 and the TREAT Initiative. Imran's gripe with the term "plant medicine." Key Links: UC Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics (BCSP): http://psychedelics.berkeley.edu/ Imran on Twitter: https://twitter.com/imrankhan?lang=en Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute: https://psychedeliccoaching.institute/ Episode Sponsors: Apollo Neuro - Third Wave listeners get 15% off. Psyched Wellness - use code THIRDWAVE23 to get 15% off. BiOptimizers - Get 10% off Magnesium Breakthrough

Sep 18, 2023 • 1h 19min
Nasreen El-Mariesh - Wild Woman Unleashed: Psychedelics & Feminine Power
A deep dive into psychedelics, personal growth, and female empowerment with Nasreen El-Mariesh. They discuss women-centric initiatives in the psychedelic space, intention, intuition, and the role of the 'wild woman' archetype in self-discovery. Highlighting the importance of women-only spaces, community support, and harnessing psychedelics for positive change.

Sep 11, 2023 • 1h 34min
Lily Eggers, MA, LMFT - Soulful Alchemy: Healing Relationships with Self & Other
In this Psychedelic Podcast episode, Joseph Anew and somatic couples therapist Lily Eggers delve into conscious living for relational healing, parenting, self-discovery, and spiritual growth. Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-212-lily-eggers-ma-lmft/ They explore questions like: How can personal responsibility and faith generate self-trust? What role do psychedelics play in illuminating the inner mind? Can relationships serve as conduits for healing and growth? Eggers shares poignant lessons from her teenage shoplifting disaster, transformative cold pool dip, and her experiences leading group couples therapy. Join Joseph and Lily to discover how intentionality, self-awareness, and psychedelics can evoke meaningful transformation and relational harmony. Lily Eggers, MA, LMFT: Lily Eggers is a mom, entrepreneur, Somatic Couples Therapist, singer/dancer, medicine woman, and psychedelic journeyer. She believes that every relationship can be shifted out of monotony and stuckness and into sacred intimacy and spiritual evolution. Her life's mission is to transform the stigma and shame around relationship therapy and coaching. Raised and homeschooled on 75 acres of Maine wilderness, Lily delights in bringing the "wild" into her life and work. As a Somatic Couples Therapist, she adores igniting kindness, connection, playfulness, and passion into her clients' daily lives. Lily has trained with notable practitioners including Stan Tatkin (Psychoneurobiological Approach to Couples Therapy), David Mars (Transformational Couples Therapy), and Stanley Keleman (Formative Psychology). She incorporates sacred plant medicines, ceremony, and ritual into her practice. Lily is currently writing a book designed to bring her tools, tips, and exercises to a wider audience. She is also working on a one-woman play about motherhood, identity, and psychedelics, called "Moms on Drugs," to the stage. Highlights: Exploring the concept of trust amidst uncertainty. Lily's lessons from being caught shoplifting at 13 years old. The importance of love and curiosity in relationships. Deepening inner awareness to foster healthier relationships. Lily's perspectives from her unconventional upbringing in the wilderness. Lily's story of reclaiming her authentic, uninhibited self. The sacred process of healing in relationship. How Lily works with group couples therapy. How to cultivate genuine self-improvement. Bringing humility to the psychedelic healing process. Key Links: Lily's website: www.LilyEggers.com Lily on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rootedrelationships/?hl=en Join the upcoming webinar to learn about The Psychedelic Coaching Institute's Certification Program: https://thethirdwave.co/webinar/ Episode Sponsors: Apollo Neuro - Third Wave listeners get 15% off. Psyched Wellness - use code THIRDWAVE23 to get 15% off. Magi Ancestral Supplements - Visit ancestralmagi.com and use coupon code TW10.

Sep 4, 2023 • 53min
Joseph Anew - Discovering Resilience: Lessons from Spartan Races & Psychedelics
In the latest Psychedelic Podcast episode, Paul F. Austin announces a new co-host who's no stranger to the microphone or transformative practices. Joseph Anew, a seasoned podcaster, former Spartan Race executive, and Director of Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute, brings fresh perspectives and invaluable expertise to the show. The conversation delves into Joseph's journey from fitness to psychedelics and the unique intersection between the two. Do psychedelics and obstacle-course racing have more in common than meets the eye? How do extreme experiences inform effective psychedelic coaching? Can psychedelics serve as a conduit between mental and physical health? This episode elucidates how pushing human boundaries—be it a psychedelic journey or Spartan Race—can offer profound insights into resilience and well-being. Joseph Anew: Joseph Anew is an "outside the box" thinker, holistic health expert, and personal transformation coach. Across the last twenty years, he has helped thousands transform their physical and emotional health through public speaking, coaching, podcasting, and live events focused on mindset coaching, exercise, sleep, nutrition, breathwork, cold immersion, and most recently psychedelic medicines. Joseph is the founder of RUNGA, an experiential health and wellness company that hosts transformational live events and online coaching programs. Joseph also spent eight years as an executive at Spartan Race where he was head of the company's fitness and sport departments. Highlights: Joseph's evolution from competitive fitness to the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. Joseph's Spartan Race journey. The surprising parallels between psychedelics & obstacle-course coaching. Why the Psychedelic Institute hosts intensives in the jungle. How psychedelics help to re-pattern physiology, emotions, and behavior. Joseph's excitement about The Psychedelic Coaching Institute and the podcast. Key Links: Joseph on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/josephanew_ Joseph's Website: https://josephanew.com/ Third Wave's Psychedelic Coaching Institute: https://psychedeliccoaching.institute/ Episode Sponsors: BiOptimizers - Listeners get a special discount at https://magbreakthrough.com/thirdwave Psyched Wellness - use code THIRDWAVE23 to get 15% off. What did you think of this conversation? Let us know in Third Wave Community. Sign up for free at https://community.thethirdwave.co

Aug 28, 2023 • 56min
Phoebe McPherson - Exploring Kanna: A Gentle Ally for Opening the Heart
In this Psychedelic Podcast episode, Paul F. Austin welcomes Phoebe McPherson to discuss the resurgence of kanna, a legal psychoactive plant, in the global market. Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-210-phoebe-mcpherson Paul and Phoebe explore kanna's rich South African history, heart-opening qualities, and recent revival in the wellness space. Their comprehensive discussion asks questions like: How does kanna compare to MDMA? What led Phoebe to explore kanna, and how did it change her life? How can this plant help regulate the nervous system? Can you stack kanna extract with psychedelics like psilocybin and LSD? What does a kanna microdosing protocol look like? Paul and Phoebe uncover everything you need to know about starting a kanna protocol, safe product sourcing, and ingestion tips. Phoebe McPherson: Phoebe McPherson is an educator, herbalist, gatherer, and the Head of Brand & Education at Fungtion, a nature-inspired wellness brand on a mission to help people reconnect to their bodies and nature through mushroom and plant formulas. Phoebe has spent years working with and learning from experts in the field about the healing aspects of nature's gifts. While she is deeply knowledgeable about medicinal mushrooms, psychedelics, and plants, her passion lies in sharing kanna (Sceletium tortuosum) with the world, helping others find safety in their first steps to connect with nature. Highlights: Understanding kanna benefits and traditional usage. Phoebe's journey to kanna during pivotal shifts in her life. Kanna vs. MDMA: How do they compare? The story of kanna's re-emergence in the world market. Uncovering kanna's clinical potential. Combining kanna with other substances. Exploring kanna as an adaptogen with psychedelic qualities. Kanna supply and sustainability questions. How to safely source and ingest kanna. Kanna's subjective benefits and personal healing stories. How to connect with Phoebe. Key Links: Fungtion: https://letsfungtion.com/ Phoebe on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_phoebe_mcpherson/ Ultimate Guide to Kanna: https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics/kanna/ Episode Sponsors: Apollo Neuro - Third Wave listeners get 15% off. Magi Ancestral Supplements - Visit ancestralmagi.com and use coupon code TW10.

Aug 21, 2023 • 60min
Jonathan Sabbagh - Collaborative Care: Building a Psychedelic-Assisted Mental Health System
In this Psychedelic Podcast episode, Paul F. Austin welcomes Jonathan Sabbagh, CEO of Journey Clinical, who shares his mission to integrate FDA-approved psychedelics within the modern therapeutic framework. Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-209-jonathan-sabbagh/ Jonathan highlights the disjointed nature of today's mental health system, where therapists and prescribers lack communication, hindering comprehensive assessments and referrals. He and Paul emphasize Journey Clinical's collaborative care model, streamlining information exchange, and maximizing psychedelic-therapy access through telemedicine innovation. They explore Journey's potential challenges of scalability, therapist training, and insurance coverage for extended sessions. And they consider the balance between state-level decriminalization, psychedelic medicalization, and decentralized access. Join Paul and Jonathan as they imagine a new mental healthcare infrastructure that addresses the growing crisis and reinvents therapeutic care as we know it. Jonathan Sabbagh: Jonathan Sabbagh is the Co-Founder and CEO of Journey Clinical, the leading telehealth platform expanding access to psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. A serial entrepreneur, Jonathan built his career in finance, spending over two decades working for hedge funds and building businesses in Switzerland and NYC. After receiving a difficult diagnosis of PTSD and extreme burnout, Jonathan left the world of finance to focus on his mental health. During that time, he personally experienced the transformative benefits of plant medicine and ketamine-assisted psychotherapy (KAP). Jonathan's healing journey inspired him to begin formal clinical psychology training at the New School, with the vision of expanding access to transformative psychedelic-assisted therapies to the millions of Americans with depression and anxiety. Jonathan's personal and professional journey motivated him to found Journey Clinical in 2020, the #1 platform in the US that enables licensed mental health professionals to deliver KAP at scale. Highlights: How Jonathan's mental health & finance background led him to start Journey Clinical. Jonathan's take on co-founding and running Journey Clinical with his wife. The origin story of Journey Clinical and its startup challenges. Exploring Journey's collaborative care model. Investigating Journey's infrastructure solution for psychedelic-assisted therapy. Journey's vetting requirements for network therapists. How the Ryan Haight Act might affect ketamine telehealth access. Journey's decentralized approach to safe and responsible ketamine telemedicine. Integrating FDA-approved psychedelics into the mainstream mental health infrastructure. Jonathan's long-term vision for collaborative mental health care through Journey Clinical. Key Links: Journey Clinical: https://www.journeyclinical.com/ Journey Clinical on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/journeyclinical Jonathan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sabbaghjonathan?lang=en Episode Sponsors: Psyched Wellness - use code THIRDWAVE23 to get 15% off. Apollo Neuro - Third Wave listeners get 15% off.

Aug 14, 2023 • 1h 9min
Spring Washam - Bridging Traditions: Psychedelics, Buddhism, & Ancestral Wisdom
In this Psychedelic Podcast episode, Paul F. Austin meets meditation teacher and healer Spring Washam at the MAPS Psychedelic Science Conference to discuss Buddhism, psychedelics, and ancestral wisdom. Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-208-spring-washam Paul and Spring delve deep into the synergies and incompatibilities across healing modalities. They ask whether indoor practices can ever rival nature's transformative power. They reflect on innate desires toward rooting on land and the consequences of disconnection. They ask whether the spirit of Harriet Tubman and other ancestral heroes can heal society's conflicts. And they explore the psychedelic divide between Southern traditions and Northern adaptations. Join Paul and Spring for a fascinating perspective on mindfulness, plant medicine, and the evolution of society. Spring Washam: Considered a pioneer in bringing mindfulness-based meditation to diverse communities; Spring Washam is a well-known teacher, healer, and visionary leader based in Oakland, California. She is the author of A Fierce Heart: Finding Strength, Courage and Wisdom in Any Moment and The Spirit of Harriet Tubman: Awakening from the Underground. Spring is one of the founding teachers at the East Bay Meditation Center, an organization that offers Buddhist teachings with attention to social action and multiculturalism. She is a member of the teachers' council at Spirit Rock Meditation Center, offering teachings on Buddhist philosophy, Insight meditation, and loving-kindness practices. Spring is also the founder of Lotus Vine Journeys, a one-of-a-kind organization that blends indigenous healing practices with Buddhist wisdom in transformative retreats in Central America. She has practiced and studied Buddhist philosophy in both the Theravada and Tibetan schools of Buddhism since 1999. Spring is also a shamanic practitioner, studying indigenous healing practices since 2008. Spring's workshops, interviews, and writing can be found in mainstream media worldwide. Highlights: How Buddhist practitioners view psychedelics. Spring's early ayahuasca journeys and revelations. Spring's lessons from Buddhist lineages. Jack Kornfield's guidance and teachings. Spring's Lotus Vine Journeys ayahuasca retreats in Costa Rica. How psychedelics and Buddhism reconnect us to nature. Spring's journey from California to Georgia to start a plant-medicine community. Exploring the importance of healing human disconnection from the land. Spring's insights from her book, The Spirit of Harriet Tubman: Awakening from the Underground. Spring's presentation at the MAPS Conference on Buddhism & ayahuasca. Reflecting on how to bridge modern spirituality with indigenous lineages. Key Links: Spring's website: https://www.springwasham.com/Spring on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/springwasham/?hl=en Lotus Vine Journeys retreat center: https://www.lotusvinejourneys.com/ Spring's new book, The Spirit of Harriet Tubman: Awakening from the Underground: https://amzn.to/3Ktio19 These show links may contain affiliate links. Third Wave receives a small percentage of the product price if you purchase through the above affiliate links. Continue the conversation about this episode in Third Wave Community. Create your account for free at community.thethirdwave.co Episode Sponsors: Magi Ancestral Supplements - Visit ancestralmagi.com and use coupon code TW10. Psyched Wellness - Use code THIRDWAVEPOD to get 15% off. Apollo Neuro - Third Wave listeners get 15% off.

Aug 7, 2023 • 59min
Christian Angermayer - Democratizing Psychedelics: From Ancient Rituals to Modern Medicalization
In this episode of the Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin welcomes Christian Angermayer, a serial entrepreneur and investor in psychedelics, longevity, fintech, crypto, and future tech. Get full show notes, links, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-207-christian-angermayer/ Christian is a notable figure in the field of psychedelic medicine, both respected and controversial. He has been a driving force in pushing psilocybin toward FDA-approval. But his company atai Life Science's psychedelic patents have drawn criticism from decriminalization-first advocates. Some wonder if the medical approach to psychedelics conflicts with the idea of open access and shamanic usage. Christian delves into this question, examining opposing views and exploring other dichotomies, such as whether capitalism and spirituality can coexist in the realm of psychedelics. He also considers the potential conflict between the search for psychedelic wisdom and the desire for immortality. Christian's conversation with Paul presents a new perspective on psychedelics, exploring nuanced topics and questioning the future of psychedelic biotech, microdosing, and longevity science. Christian Angermayer: Christian Angermayer is a serial entrepreneur and investor who builds and invests in companies that are shaping the Next Human Agenda: a future in which technology empowers people to live longer, healthier, and happier lives. Christian's family office and private investment firm, Apeiron Investment Group, has more than USD 2.5 billion under management and 50 people across five international locations. Apeiron focuses on Life Sciences, FinTech & Crypto, Future Tech and Experiences, and Hospitality & Happiness. Over the past 20 years, Christian has founded three unicorns and has been the lead investor in four unicorns and two decacorns. Christian is the world's largest investor in psychedelics and is recognized for leading the current psychedelics renaissance. He founded atai Life Sciences, investigating the potential of psychedelic compounds including psilocybin, ketamine, DMT, and ibogaine as approved medical treatments. Highlights: Exploring psychedelics and the evolution of organized religion. The parallels between ancient psychedelic traditions and modern medicalization. An argument for democratizing psychedelic access through centralization. Christian's thoughts on creating a regulated framework for microdosing. Optimism about longevity research and extended lifespans. Overcoming deeply-rooted fears and embracing the concept of a long life. Christian's challenges and successes at COMPASS Pathways & atai Life Sciences. The obstacles of commercializing psychedelic medicines in an economic downturn. Investigating how psychedelics might contribute to longevity. How psychedelics can help us find and live our Dharma (life's purpose). Key Links: Apeiron Investment Group: https://apeiron-investments.com/ atai Life Sciences: https://atai.life/ COMPASS Pathways: https://compasspathways.com/ Episode Sponsors: Apollo Neuro. Third Wave listeners get 15% off. Third Wave's Mushroom Grow Kit - use code 3WPODCAST to save $75.

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Jul 24, 2023 • 1h 18min
Steven Kotler - Peak-Performance Aging: Using Flow States to Stay Vibrant
In this episode of the Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin reunites with renowned author Steven Kotler to dive deep into the realms of peak performance aging and flow states. Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-205-steven-kotler/ Kotler's latest book, Gnar Country: Growing Old, Staying Rad takes center stage as they explore the profound impact of continuous learning, experiences in nature, and adventurous pursuits throughout life. With Kotler's expertise in human performance, the conversation uncovers the secrets to maintaining optimal mental states and staying active in later life. Listeners will embark on a thought-provoking journey into the possibilities of thriving in aging as Steven decodes the neurobiology of flow. Steven Kotler: Steven Kotler is a New York Times bestselling author, award-winning journalist, and the Executive Director of the Flow Research Collective. He is one of the world's leading experts on human performance. Steven is the author of eleven bestsellers out of fourteen books, including The Art of Impossible, The Future is Faster Than You Think, Stealing Fire (part of the curriculum in the Psychedelic Coaching Institute's Coaching Certification Program), The Rise of Superman, Bold, and Abundance. His work has been nominated for two Pulitzer Prizes, translated into over 50 languages, and has appeared in over 100 publications, including the New York Times Magazine, Wired, Atlantic Monthly, Wall Street Journal, TIME, and the Harvard Business Review. Alongside his wife, author Joy Nicholson, he is also the co-founder of The Buddy Sue Hospice Home for Old Dogs, a canine elder care facility, and Rancho de Chihuahua, a dog rescue and sanctuary. Highlights: Steven's motivation to write his newest book on peak performance aging, Gnar Country. Steven's favorite adult development models related to healthy aging. Decoding the neurobiology of flow and establishing a solid scientific foundation. Examining flow from ancient Eastern and Western philosophical perspectives. Steven's reflections on bringing flow into corporate environments. Why older employees could be the dream workforce of the 21st century. Steven's flow principles of aging successfully & maintaining cognitive function. Exploring the surprising benefits of action sports for peak performance aging. Skills cultivation, nature experiences, & the importance of "leisure activities" in old age. Key Links: Steven's website: https://www.stevenkotler.com/ Get Steven's latest book, Gnar Country: https://www.gnarcountry.com/ Steven's experiment training adults in park skiing: https://www.gnarcountry.com/gnar-country-experiment Steven's training program, Zero-to-Dangerous: http://www.getmoreflow.com Episode Sponsor: Apollo Neuro. Third Wave listeners get 15% off.


