

Storytelling Animals
Dayton Martindale
Storytelling Animals is a green new podcast where we use books to help make sense of the ecological crisis – and think about what comes next. For most episodes, host Dayton Martindale will interview authors about their new or recent fiction and nonfiction, and talk about how we might build better relations with each other and our fellow creatures. Sometimes, he'll review books or talk with academics and activists, too.Patreon subscribers at all tiers get early access to locked episodes, and Patreon subscribers above $7/month can also join a subscribers-only book club hosted by Dayton to dig deeper into these ideas and discuss how they might inform political action. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Jun 7, 2022 • 38min
Obituaries for Extinct Animals, with Hannah Seo
My guest for the 20th(!) episode is science journalist Hannah Seo--we talked about her reporting on the tragic demise of the Christmas Island forest skink and the Bramble Cay melomys, two extinct species she recently eulogized for the guardian. How did they die? Could we have stopped it? What was it like for the scientists who watched them fade away?Hannah's extinction obituary of the skink: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/18/christmas-island-forest-skinks-lizard-extinct-aoeAnd of the melomys: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/01/extinction-obituary-bramble-cay-melomys-climate-change-aoeFollow Hannah on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ahannahseoSign up for my free weekly newsletter: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dSupport this podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/storytellingpodFor more information on the Storytelling Animals book club: https://daytonmartindale.com/book-club/Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaytonRMartindLike this podcast on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Storytelling-Animals-105986165338395 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 24, 2022 • 1h 10min
Kate Soper on the Pleasures of Post-Growth Living
Philosopher Kate Soper explains why going beyond consumerism won't just help the environment--it will make us happier. Together we discuss a slower-paced world with fewer cars, less work, less stuff, and more pleasure.Learn more about her book, Post Growth Living: For an Alternative Hedonism, here: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3693-post-growth-livingIf you like this episode, please sign up for the Storytelling Animals newsletter here to keep up with the podcast: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dSupport this podcast on Patreon here, and receive early access to episodes: https://patreon.com/storytellingpodSubscribe at the Lorax Tier or above to join the Storytelling Animals Book Club, we have Zoom discussions the last Tuesday of the month at 5:30 Pacific.Our next three meetings are:5/31 - The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin6/28 - Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake7/26 - The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley RobinsonTo try out one meeting as a free trial, subscribe to my email list: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dFollow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaytonRMartindLike this podcast on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Storytelling-Animals-105986165338395To read more of Soper's work on alternative hedonism, look here: https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/new-hedonism-post-consumerism-vision Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 17, 2022 • 37min
Why I Chose the Train Over the Plane
Last week I took a 48+ hour Amtrak train from Los Angeles to Dearborn, Michigan, just outside of Detroit. It ended up taking even longer, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. In this episode I talk about my experience and explain the climate impacts of aviation, rail, and buses, and explain why I think trains may be the future of long-distance transportation.If you like this episode, please sign up for the Storytelling Animals newsletter here to keep up with the podcast: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dSupport this podcast on Patreon here, and receive early access to episodes: https://patreon.com/storytellingpodSubscribe at the Lorax Tier or above to join the Storytelling Animals Book Club, we have Zoom discussions the last Tuesday of the month at 5:30 Pacific.Our next three meetings are:5/31 - The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin6/28 - Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake7/26 - The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley RobinsonTo try out one meeting as a free trial, subscribe to my email list: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dFollow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaytonRMartindLike this podcast on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Storytelling-Animals-105986165338395 Relevant links from this episode below:The Eric Holthaus article that started it all: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/02/why_a_meteorologist_took_the_bus_for_28_hours_instead_of_flying.html"Getting There Greener" (still broadly useful, although some of these numbers are out of date): https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/2019-10/greentravel_report.pdf"The global scale, distribution and growth of aviation: Implications for climate change": https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378020307779#b0300My Jacobin article on overnight travel: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/07/greyhound-amtrak-hotel-stay-travel-vacationMy In These Times article making a leftist case for lowering your carbon footprint: https://inthesetimes.com/article/a-socialist-case-for-curbing-consumption-to-stop-climate-changeOxfam report on inequality of carbon emissions: https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/carbon-emissions-richest-1-percent-more-double-emissions-poorest-half-humanity"Grounded, and loving it. Can giving up air travel bring joy?":https://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2022/0418/Grounded-and-loving-it.-Can-giving-up-air-travel-bring-joy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 10, 2022 • 1h 35min
Kim Stanley Robinson on Wildlife, the Martian Constitution, and Loving the High Sierra
Kim Stanley Robinson is the author of the new autobiographical nonfiction book The High Sierra: A Love Story. He's also written 20 novels, including Red Mars and The Ministry for the Future, and now he's appeared on this podcast! We talk about his love of rocky landscapes, how he started backpacking, and the need to make space for wildlife. We also talk about how his Sierra life has impacted his fiction, and how he came to love science fiction in the first place. And so much more!Sign up for the Storytelling Animals newsletter here to keep up with the podcast: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dLearn more about the book here: https://www.littlebrown.com/titles/kim-stanley-robinson/the-high-sierra/9780316306812/A reading list on the John Muir Sierra Club controversy, including both critical and positive assessments of his legacy:1) https://www.sierraclub.org/michael-brune/2020/07/john-muir-early-history-sierra-club2) https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/articles/entry/who-was-john-muir-really/3) https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/16/sierra-club-racist-internal-fight-5054074) https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2021-2-march-april/feature/john-muir-native-america5) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sierra-club-muir-racism-board-vote_n_619548aae4b0f398aeff36776) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sierra-club-election-muir_n_624609f9e4b068157f74d448Support this podcast on Patreon here, and receive early access to episodes: https://patreon.com/storytellingpodSubscribe at the Lorax Tier or above to join the Storytelling Animals Book Club, we have Zoom discussions the last Tuesday of the month at 5:30 Pacific.Our next three meetings are:5/31 - The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin6/28 - Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake7/26 - The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley RobinsonTo try out one meeting as a free trial, subscribe to my email list: https://apple6.aweb.page/p/de4ee963-cd8d-4ced-9975-e13965236a7dFollow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DaytonRMartindLike this podcast on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Storytelling-Animals-105986165338395For more on Half-Earth, see my interview with Drew Pendergrass and Troy Vettese: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/half-earth-socialism-planning-utopia-with-troy-vettese/id1604296764?i=1000556263826For more on Ecuador's constitution and rights of nature, see my interview with Thea Riofrancos: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/resource-radicals-thea-riofrancos-on-democracy-our/id1604296764?i=1000551855853 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 3, 2022 • 49min
Not Afraid of the Ruins: Dylan Harris on Hope for a Different World
Dylan Harris is an assistant professor and geographer at University of Colorado Colorado Springs, as well as an editor of Not Afraid of the Ruins, a collection of speculative eco-fiction. We talk about how stories can help us make sense of climate change, the use of the supernatural in climate fiction, and the power of deep geological time. Not Afraid of the Ruins can be found online below, and will soon be updated into a published volume edited by Dylan, Rut Elliot Blomqvist, Aaron Vansintjan, and Srđan Tunić.Read Not Afraid of the RuinsRead Dylan's story "Odetta, Odessa"Follow Dylan on TwitterWatch this video about horseshoe crabsTo keep up with this podcast and learn more about the Storytelling Animals Book Club:Sign up for the Storytelling Animals NewsletterSupport this podcast on PatreonFollow me on TwitterLike this podcast on Facebook Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 26, 2022 • 1h 2min
Riley Black on Extinction, Evolution, and the Last Days of the Dinosaurs
You may know that an asteroid drove the dinosaurs extinct, but do you know what happened after the asteroid hit, and how we got from T. rex's world to ours? Digging into these questions can reveal a lot about how ecology and evolution work, and perhaps help us make sense of humanity's place in the web of life. To explore all this and more, I speak with science writer and amateur paleontologist Riley Black, author of The Last Days of the Dinosaurs: An Asteroid, Extinction, and the Beginning of Our World.Learn more about the bookFollow Riley on TwitterRead about the "dinosauroid" thought experimentSign up for free weekly Storytelling Animals newsletter hereSupport this podcast on Patreon hereThe May 31 Storytelling Animals Book Club meetings will be about The Fifth Season by N.K Jemisin. Join the book club at our Patreon page or (to attend one meeting as a free trial) by signing up for the newsletter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 19, 2022 • 1h 12min
We Are the Middle of Forever: Indigenous Voices on Climate Change, with Dahr Jamail and Stan Rushworth
Today's guests are journalist Dahr Jamail and teacher of Native American literature Stan Rushworth, who edited the new volume We Are the Middle of Forever: Indigenous Voices from Turtle Island on the Changing Earth. We talk about how the way we see the world impacts how we act, and why it's so important to look at each other and all our nonhuman relations, past present and future, as our kin. There is a difference, Stan and Dahr point out, between an individualistic worldview focused on our personal rights and a more collective mindset focused on responsibilities and obligations to our fellow creatures and to the future. Only one of these outlooks, they believe, is well set up to respond to a challenge like climate change.Learn more about the book hereWatch a talk that Stan and Dahr gave about the book hereSign up for free weekly Storytelling Animals newsletter hereSupport this podcast on Patreon hereUpcoming Storytelling Animals Book Club meetings:4/26 - Silent Spring by Rachel Carson5/31 - The Fifth Season by N.K JemisinJoin the book club at our Patreon page or (to attend one meeting as a free trial) by signing up for the newsletter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 13, 2022 • 55min
Too Hot To Handle? Rebecca Willis on Why We Need Deliberative Democracy To Fight Climate Change
As countries around the world fail to tackle climate change, many have begun to wonder whether democracy itself is up to the task. In her book Too Hot To Handle? The Democratic Challenge of Climate Change, Rebecca Willis argues that we need more democracy, not less--that we need to get everyday citizens more involved in the political process through citizen assemblies and other spaces for deliberation. Willis is a Professor in Energy & Climate Governance at Lancaster Environment Centre, where she leads the Climate Citizens project. Learn more about the book hereRead Rebecca's paper on deliberative democracy and the climate crisisRead why I think long-distance bus and train travelers should get free lodgingSign up for my weekly newsletter to get each new episode in your inbox, as well as to attend one meeting of the Storytelling Animals Book Club as a free trial. Our next two meetings are 4/26 discussing Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and 5/31 on N.K. Jemisin's The Fifth Season, recently chosen by Esquire as the best fantasy novel of all time.To help keep this podcast going, get early access to episode, and continue being part of the book club moving forward, please support this podcast on Patreon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 5, 2022 • 1h 14min
Half-Earth Socialism: Planning Utopia with Troy Vettese and Drew Pendergrass
Environmental historian Troy Vettese and environmental engineer Drew Pendergrass worked together on the new book Half-Earth Socialism: A Plan to Save the Future From Extinction, Climate Change and Pandemics. I spoke with both of them about the problems with Marx's nature philosophy, why we need widespread veganism and energy quotas, and how central economic planning can help us chart a way through climate catastrophe.Learn more about the bookRead the essay that inspired the bookRead my review of E.O. Wilson's book Half-EarthRead a Smithsonian overview of the half-Earth conceptRead my essay "Nature Defends Itself" on the nature/culture binarySign up for my weekly newsletter to get each new episode in your inbox, as well as to attend one meeting of the Storytelling Animals Book Club as a free trial. Our next two meetings are 4/26 discussing Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and 5/31 on N.K. Jemisin's The Fifth Season, recently chosen by Esquire as the best fantasy novel of all time.To help keep this podcast going, get early access to episode, and continue being part of the book club moving forward, please support this podcast on Patreon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 31, 2022 • 56min
lauren Ornelas on Food Justice, Farm Workers' Rights, and Veganism
lauren Ornelas, founder of the Food Empowerment Project, talks about her decades in the animal rights movement, why our food choices matter, and why vegans should fight for farmworkers rights and racial justice. We discuss issues from duck farming's abuses to child labor in the chocolate industry to her organization's work increasing food access in communities of color.Learn more about the Food Empowerment ProjectThe organization's new site on the dairy industryListen to lauren's TEDx talk hereLearn more about Sister Species: Women, Animals, and Social JusticeSign up for my weekly newsletter to get each new episode in your inbox, as well as to attend one meeting of the Storytelling Animals Book Club as a free trial. Our next two meetings are 4/26 discussing Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and 5/31 on N.K. Jemisin's The Fifth Season, recently chosen by Esquire as the best fantasy novel of all time.To help keep this podcast going, get early access to episode, and continue being part of the book club moving forward, please support this podcast on Patreon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.