Meta-Ideological Politics

In this episode of MIP, Nate, Ryan and Jason discuss, Jason’s thought’s on MIP, Jason shit posting the liminal web, physical vs digital localism, Jason inspires Nate to garden, doomer optimism, doomer optimism vs doomer dutyism, generational doomers, generational epistemes, doomer optimist projects, Jason’s personal goals and visions, why southern Appalachia, food/farming as answer to the culture wars, scale and polarization, “minimum viable scale”, subsidiarity and broad scale, drawbacks of localism, anarchism’s virtues, drama between Egypt and Sudan and IR issues,  anti fragility at various scales, mechanism design, Snowden Cynefin and managing complexity, participatory budgeting, distributism in localism vs co-ops, Hamiltonian means to Jeffersonian ends, rural developments, UBI, complementary currencies, and does anyone understand holochain??

 We discuss (stage conflicts, Nora Bateson, conversation with Brendan, Henry’s virtuous online engagement, Henry’s unique position in the stage debate, agreements and disagreements with Nora’s critique, Nora’s Warm data’s breakdown, Henry’s take on “tiers”, Prompts vs assessments and what SD’s consultants do, Warm data in practice, When SD consultants are useful, Ryan’s spin on “if you have a hammer everything looks a like a nail”, uncovering patterns, Dealing with DEI related conflicts using Henry’s cyclical model, cultivating diverse ideological and moral impulses, silence is violence and the importance of listening, using complexity and multi-perspectivalism to escape polarization, reification, and weaponization, stage models sucking up all the ideational oxygen and their seductive allure, death to tiers and the issue stunted development,  stage vs code, what lenses or frameworks should we use, levels of granularity and problematic generalized abstractions, epistemic humility and dunning-kruger meta awareness, and 4 pillars of meta-ideological awareness. 

We discuss Greg’s explanation of Metamodernism (and modernism and postmodernism), David Foster Wallace and metamodernism,  Postmodernism vs Metamodernism, Ted Lasso and Andy Kaufman, “meta” vs. “post”, metamodernism vs “Hanzism” and Nordic Ideology, is MIP multiperspectivalism, premodernism vs metamodernism vs postmodernism, why fixate on the word “modern”, MIP vs multiperspectivalism, Greg’s experience with Evangelical Christian groups, finding sincere beauty in difference (i.e. via religious prayers), issues with arrogance/inscerity when joining other groups, Embracing difference to bridge divides, postmodernism and multiperspectivalism, cultural expressions of postmodernism on the right, identitarianism is metamodernism, dangers of normative metamodernisms, positive expressions of metamodernism, modern/postmodern oscillations, and will metamodern sensibilities outcompete modern and postmodern ones?

In this episode of MIP, Brad, Nate, Nadav and Ryan discuss the problems with the education currently, Nadav’s unique HS credit system, the reduction of complexity in education, the importance of innovation and diverse approaches, experiential field learning, the role of NFT’s and crypto in Nadav’s credit approach, metacognitive activation methods, issues with educational metrics and evaluations, qualitative dimensions of education and learning, how education dovetails with economics and designing positive incentive mechanisms, bottom up change and potential issues with it, indoctrination into the meta, meta-ideological high school credits and reclaiming agentic sovereignty, balancing centralization and decentralization, complex capacities of centralized leaders, accommodating wide ranges of needs and predisposition in education, transcending political polarization in and through education, the role for teachers, and education as the peaceful revolution.

We discuss Brendan’s issues with strawmanning and developmental question, Jeremy’s take on stage theories and challenge to historical linearity, Models themselves vs how people hold them, Contextualizing the book via meta-analysis, Indigenous critiques of modernity and its critique, Escaping the confines of a narrow (modernist) lens, Fractalizing developmental maps, Decoupling development from modes of production, Complexifying the patterning, deeper dives into the book’s “strawmanning/shadowboxing”, interpretive styles and missing information, who was the book written for? And it being misconstrued, the “What is Politics” Youtube critique, emphasizing material conditions/structure vs agency/volition, stage theories infantilizing indigenous peoples and the preconditions for “development”, specific insights folks appreciated from the book, a deep dive into “schismogenesis”, competing perceptions of our ancestors, “returning” to previous states of affairs and the dangers of reactionary romanticisms, and Ryan’s M. Night Shyamalan “The Village” epistemic thought experiment.

In this episode of MIP, Jeremy, Josh, and Ryan discuss how to frame the tensions between Integral leftism and post-progressivism, centrist accusations, memetic mediation and material concerns, post-progressive critiques of progressivism, where to focus critique, problems with capitalism, distinctions within progressivism, healthy vs unhealthy worldviews and self-critique, framing American history, effective strategy vs authentic integration, solidarity building, the ideal level of abstraction  and granularity to approach these issues, imbibing the spirit of various political traditions, stretching ourselves to understand differing perspectives and ideologies, integrating history and empathy taking, Jeremy and Josh’s challenges to each other, and Ryan’s meta-ideological approach to community building.   https://post-progressive.org  https://www.mutations.blog

Bruce Alderman, M.A., is adjunct faculty at the John F. Kennedy school of psychology at National University. He received his master's degree in Integral Psychology, with an emphasis on Transpersonal Counseling Psychology, from JFKU in 2005. He currently teaches Paradigms of Consciousness; Fundamentals of Transpersonal Psychology; World Spirituality; Living Systems Theory; Integral Life Practice; Individual Development; and Integral Meditation and Psychospiritual Development.   In this episode of MIP, Nate, Ryan and Bruce go off the philosophical deep end exploring post-metaphysical spirituality as analogue to meta-ideological political practice, Bruce’s political apprehensions and US shenanigans in Nepal, deep ontological structures underpinning cultural conflicts, Raimon Pannikar’s work on interreligious discourse, severing ourselves from the mythic dimensions, symbols as mediating agent, different forms of hermeneutics, diatopical hermeneutics and dialogue across boundaries, 4 methods of paradigmatic commensuration, the imperative method, letting ourselves be fecundated by other perspectives, intraparadigmatic dialogue,  pragmatic action and theory, paradoxical reasoning and holding contradicting symbols, construct aware politics, dialectical vs dialogical dialogue, essentialist vs non-essentialist ontological play, integral grammatology, misplaced concreteness, finding ourselves in the other, and Bhaskar’s critical realism.

In this "warm take," Ryan, Stephanie and Layman riff on the goals of comedy, comedic styles, “cheap shots” and pesudo-comedy, “punching down", oven mitts to handle dangerous content, trans vs. other identity issues, the end goals of trans advocacy, and the real issues to worry about.

Zak Stein studied philosophy and religion at Hampshire College, and then educational neuroscience, human development, and the philosophy of education at Harvard University. He's published two books -- Social Justice and Educational Measurement and Education in a Time Between Worlds. He is the co-founder of The Consilience Project, which is dedicated to improving public sensemaking and building a movement to radically upgrade digital media landscapes. In this episode of MIP, Nate, Ryan and Zak discuss Zak’s definition of “meta-politics” and its contrast with “meta-ideological politics,” ideology and identity, definitions of ideology, Zak’s critique of Hanzi’s metamodernism, stepping back vs jumping into politics, cosmo erotic humanism and Ludford’s critique of it, scaling effective sense making with cultural diversity, the relationship between nuance, propaganda, and effective public sense making (Fauci and vaccines), teacherly authority and Zak's educational philosophy, love in education, the balance of what vs how to think in schools (i.e CRT), and practical means to transform our education system moving forward.

In this video Ryan, Nate and Evan discuss Evan’s etymological breakdown of “meta-ideological politics,” Founder Effects and progressive biases, ideological fluidity and Kegan “stages,” reifying mental models, critiques of game b, the role of government from a meta perspective, Evan’s unique work with information theory, cultural segregation,  embodiment and doing work in the real world, “infiltrating” various cultural environments, establishing common ground, politics and identity, Evan’s unique experience with occupy, political “egregores,” Aries vs Athenian politics, the “Nakade” doctrine, and dealing with conflict.