

Transformative Principal
Jethro Jones
Jethro Jones interviews instructional leaders from around the nation to learn and teach what it takes to become a transformative principal. Episodes address topics like Response to Intervention (RTI), Multi-Tiered System of Support (MTSS), Positive Behavior Interventions and Supports (PBIS), the latest advances in educational research, standards-based grading, and interviews with industry leaders like Bill Daggett, Rick Wormeli, Todd Whitaker and even people outside the education like Seth Godin, JeVon McCormick, Liz Wiseman, and more.
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Oct 19, 2023 • 37min
Helping the Development of a Skill with Victor Karkar Transformative Principal 565
Scrible is about the writing process.- Impact of AI on writing.- What does “embrace it” actually mean?- It’s important to define it appropriately.- We talk about teaching and learning together, but they diverge a little bit here.- How does embracing it mean that students are using cognitive skills.- Litmus test for the use of automation in education: Does it help develop or bypass the development of a skill?- It’s ok to have automation as skills are increasing.- Granularity is key.- Map activities in the writing process to skills along the way.- The “I use it myself” reason may not be good enough for our rising generation.- Conflation of cognitive development mode with productivity mode.- Education isn’t about being productive.- When compliance is gone, they realize it’s all fake.- Good writers and not good writers.- Don’t let what it does for you strongly shape what we should be doing for the next generation.- Lived experience bias - because I lived this, i have this experience.- What’s best for students?- First principles perspective- If we don’t give them the opportunity to gain skills early on, we run into a situation where people won’t know what good looks like.- What if you stop teaching math and just give kids calculators.- Connect on LinkedInAbout Victor KarkarMeet Victor Karkar, the brains behind Scrible, a game-changing startup that’s shaking up the way we do web-based research and collaboration. Victor’s been around the block in both the Internet and biotech sectors, mainly focusing on product management and business development. He was an instrumental part of the early team at insuranceOrder.com, a startup that got snapped up by the Fortune 500 giant, Marsh & McLennan. Oh, and he even dipped his toes into the venture capital world with a gig at New Enterprise Associates. So yeah, he’s seen the startup life from all angles.But what really makes Victor tick? He’s a modern-day Renaissance person. In the startup world, you’ve got to be a jack-of-all-trades, and Victor’s worn every hat you can think of—designer, product developer, tester, marketer, you name it. He’s a tech nerd at heart, with a deep respect for the engineers and scientists who are pushing us into the future. He’s got a keen eye for clean, thoughtful design and is borderline obsessive about the details. Victor’s a debate geek turned entrepreneur who loves nothing more than a well-crafted argument or a slick presentation. He’s a dreamer who believes that a few good people can really change the world. But he’s no pie-in-the-sky idealist; he knows that to make lasting change, you need a rock-solid operation to back up those big ideas."
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Oct 16, 2023 • 45min
Journey Modeling with Molly McGowan Gorsuch Transformative Principal 567
What is journey modeling? Take a look at what decisions people make and what it means for your potential people to look for youWhat brings true value to your School/District?Where are you bringing value to your employee and where are they bringing value to you? What skill sets are you looking for and are articulated in the Bringing people into your fold before you really get them in the door. You want to appeal to the individual and create a customer experience.Weird to think of these future employees as a customer of your district. How are people seeing you? And what are they seeing? Are your messages being seen in a positive way? Identify a friction point and how you could turn that into a touchpointHow could you use LinkedIn in a more effective manner? Engage with your constituents - go and ask what people are saying. It’s valuable to know each student’s name, but have you talked to every parent? CollaborativeJob descriptions from old-school approaches. Key drivers for specific generations. Value talents and skillsets in that job descriptionExpectations around the job and the processHow do you make people feel wanted? Relationships and setting expectations.HR does have the opportunity to grow here. You can still communicate. You can automate many of these sequences. Automate what you canNew Hire Onramp Email TemplateJourney Model - teachers saw that they weren’t hearing from districts during a period of time over the summer. People expect a certain level of interaction with schools and districts to understand what is going on. Showing them what it is to be in the community. Journey Model components - catalyst, question-asking, touchpoints (community, benefits, etc.), decision-making process, after acceptance, on ramping, continuingIdentifying key focus areasAbout Molly McGowan Gorsuch, APRDirector of Client Engagement at Rhodes BrandingMolly is the liaison between education leaders and Rhodes Branding, connecting the K-12 community with services designed to accelerate performance and market position. She leads content and partner engagement strategy and is a frequent conference presenter and podcast/blog guest.You can find me on LinkedIn, or @MollyMGorsuch on Twitter.
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Oct 12, 2023 • 35min
Generative AI is Just Round 1 with Micah Miner Transformative Principal 566
Generative AI in k12 education and it's impact on teacher prep and planning, assessments, writing instruction, and other subjects. Ethical use of generative AI and importance of transparency and demystifying it. Also, contrast generative AI tools with instructional AI, and how high can be leveraged to improve teaching and learning. Also, a conversation on civics and history instruction and it's impact on society and polarization.Student data privacy laws. DigLitCon - AI Literacy4300 kids in 9 schools in Chicago area. AI literacy - Generative AI is just round 1. Demystify what AI is and that it’s not magicFeels like magicMIT’s Day of AIWe need to know about it, but not everyone needs to be an expert. What do kids need to know in relation to AI LiteracyWe pretend that people should know a lot of thingsWill we call AI friends or supports. Harnessing AI for a Human-Centered EducationWe can’t find our life inside of a fake realityIt is a tool, and it can do great things when it is with people. Can’t hide from AI. CheatingWhat can we do with planning education guidelinesAcademic integrity policies and policies in place for Generative AI. Assessment has to be redefined as a process. Packback, writable, character.aiClearly articulating where you can and can’t use AI. Have to teach them how to use it. How to teach and use it ethically, model ethics, be transparent when we use it, make sure it’s not taking away from the learning process. “This X was created with use of Generative AI tools.”We need to be professionally humble. We need to have local policies that reflect policies6 tenets of post-plagiarismThis is only round one of a potential fourth revolution. Just because it is almost right doesn’t mean that it is right. Data privacy - byteAbout Micah Miner: Micah J. MinerDistrict Administrator Instructional Technology & Social Studies at Maywood, Melrose Park, Broadview School District 89, American Consortium for Equity in Education Contributing Writer , Times 10 Publications Author of the book Harnessing AI for a Human-Centered Education
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Oct 5, 2023 • 40min
Creating a Venture to Fund Your School with Dr. Brett Jacobsen Transformative Principal #SummerofAI
Welcome to another episode of Transformative Principal! In today’s episode, we have the privilege of speaking with Dr. Brett Jacobsen, the CEO of The Mount Vernon School, Mount Vernon Ventures, and Mount Vernon Online – The Global Online Campus. With over 15 years of experience leading Mount Vernon through a transformational period, Dr. Jacobsen has gained a national reputation for innovation in education.In our conversation, Dr. Jacobsen shares his insights on creating a venture to fund your school. He discusses how Mount Vernon School, established in 1972 as a PK–8 school, has embraced an innovation mindset, even though they have been around for a long time. Driven by a desire to be known as an innovative school, Mount Vernon has experienced significant growth over the last decade.Dr. Jacobsen introduces the concept of the Blue Ocean Strategy, emphasizing the importance of shaping your school’s narrative and brand. Rather than trying to compete with other schools, Mount Vernon Ventures focuses on consulting with other schools and developing accessible products and tools. They have also ventured into business development with Mount Vernon Online.Dr. Jacobsen explores the challenge of separating funding from the backs of their people and finding alternative markets to support their initiatives. He also highlights the importance of creating multiple pathways for students and implementing an inquiry-based, competency-driven system.Portfolio of three different areas1972 school establishedPK–8 SchoolFelt Like a startup even though they’ve been around for a long time.Giving more tours than serving our own community.Over the last decade school has grown by 60%Blue Ocean StrategyCirque du Soleil is it high art or circus?Didn’t want to be known as a traditional school.Didn’t want to be known as a progressive school.how do you shape your narrative around your school’s brand?Wanted to be known as an innovative school.We would lose every time if we tried to compete with othersMount Vernon VenturesConsulting with other schoolsValue proposition - current practitioners leading change.What is your innovation intention?Ventures work on developing products and tools that are accessible.Business development as well - Mount Vernon Online.Multiple PathwaysR&D Report around AIFunding is generated from Mount Vernon VenturesTraditionally generated from Non-tuition generating activities.Externally, how could we reinvest back into the school?How do you separate from funding being on the backs of our people?Find another market that funds things.How do we create multiple pathways for our students?Learning outcomes explored in an inquiry model - assessed based on proficiency.Inquiry, Competency-based system.Lego-bricking courses - systems takenMod System is based on 9-week time periods - students take four courses during a mod.They have to have more math courses at the backend of their high school course.Did a lot of open share when we started.Agnostic about things they implement with schools.Ventures are about birthing opportunities that expand the Mount Vernon Ecosystem.Training and investing in professionals in schoolIdentify market segments - creating more pathways for students.Would look very different from the three we’ve talked about today.About Brett JacobsenEntering his 15th year, Dr. Brett Jacobsen is CEO of The Mount Vernon School, Mount Vernon Ventures, and Mount Vernon Online – The Global Online Campus. Leading Mount Vernon through a transformational period since 2009, the School with 1,250 students strong, has gained a national reputation for innovation in education, As a result, Dr. Jacobsen launched a Transformation R&D consulting company known as Mount Vernon Ventures, partnering with schools throughout the world. Most recently, in August 2022, Mount Vernon Online, Mount Vernon’s online high school, welcomed its first cohort of students to the School. Outside of overseeing a portfolio of business units, Dr. Jacobsen frequently shares his journey of innovation and entrepreneurial impact at national and international conferences. Dr. Jacobsen was recognized by the Atlanta Business Chronicle as one of the 2017 Most admired CEOs in the education category. He is also a proud member of Leadership Atlanta, Class of 2013.LinkedinThe Mount Vernon School | Mount Vernon Ventures | Mount Vernon Online
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Oct 2, 2023 • 51min
The Intersection of Ai, Instructional Design, and Backend Classroom Administration Opportunites and Tradeoffs with Thomas Thompson Transformative Principal 564
Perhaps large language models could solve some challenges in schools. Teacher attrition - how can you build excellence if you can’t keep teachers?Time is not enough to do deep work, which is required for effective planning. The AI can’t do everything (nor should it). Source it, shape it, share it.AI as a creative collaborator - Lesson seedLook at generative content like a sculptor would look at a block of marble. Elaborative explanation is a best practice in education. Prefer to pull methods from cognitive sciencesStudents engaging in essay evaluation rather than essay writing. Artificially intelligent tutors - Khanmigo and others. Training against chess bots. Chess is a closed system, so perhaps not the best idea. Proficiency vs aptitude vs Hard to get quality feedback - What are the parameters you need to be in to access the highest level of success? Embedding best practices into our One-shot prompt vs. leading the language model into learning. Unit plans - 4-6 weeks of instructional planning. Distributed & interleaved practiceAssessments & quizzes. AI lowers the cost of evolution. Open Educational Resources compared to Teacher Pay Teachers. Things open up in ways you couldn’t imagine simply because you did something.Foundational models are not particularly useful in their basic form for what we’re trying to do in education. Having granular control that teacher can make changes in the workspaceHow to take Smart NotesObsidian note taking appYou learn in relation to what you already know. The intersection of Ai, instructional design, and backend classroom administration—opportunities and tradeoffs.The limits of the technology, boundary conditionsBroad institutional implications - Foundational flaws in educationLudwig Wittgenstein - blue and brown books. The Wittgensten Reader, the tractatusAbout Thomas ThompsonThomas Thompson is the founder and CEO of eduaide.ai, which boasts over 100,000 users. Eduaide is an AI tool to help eliminate teacher burnout and make high-quality teaching resources universally accessible.Thomas has a Master in Educational Technology from Johns Hopkins School of Education and is still a teacher in the Maryland area. Martin Gurry - Public2001 data produced more in one year than we’ve every produced before.
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Sep 21, 2023 • 45min
AI and the Future of Education: Teaching in the Age of Artificial Intelligence with Priten Shah Transformative Principal 562
Priten Shah is the CEO of Pedagogy. Cloud, which provides innovative technology solutions to help educators navigate global challenges in a rapidly evolving world, as well as founder of the civics education nonprofit United 4 Social Change. His book is AI and The Future of Education: Teaching in the Age of Artificial Intelligence, published by Jossey-Bass (Wiley).In this episode, Ross and Priten discuss:The cloud of rumors, confusion, and fear surrounding the rise of artificial intelligenceDefining AI and machine learningWhy it’s important to get not only to accept but embrace these technologiesEthical concerns to considerWhat should schools do around teacher training? How AI can either solve or widen the achievement gap depending on how schools proceedWhat can teachers automate and make more efficient?The potential of AI that most excites PritenFind AI and The Future of Education: Teaching in the Age of Artificial Intelligence at https://prtn.me/book Visit https://bepodcast.network to learn more about the Be Podcast Network for educators.About today’s guestPriten Shah, M. ED, and B.A, Harvard, is the CEO of Pedagogy. Cloud provides innovative technology solutions to help educators navigate global challenges in a rapidly evolving world. He is the author of Wiley’s Jossey-Bass publication, “AI & The Future of Education: Teaching in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.“Priten is also the founder of United 4 Social Change, a civics education nonprofit that focuses on helping teachers integrate interdisciplinary education into their curricula through animated videos, lesson plans, and innovative classroom activities.Connect at instagram.com/pedagogycloud and linkedin.com/in/pritenhshahAbout the hostRoss Romano is a co-founder of the Be Podcast Network and CEO of September Strategies LLC. He is a leadership development and performance coach for professionals in a range of industries and consults with organizations and high-performing leaders in the K-12 education industry to help communicate their vision and make strategic decisions that lead to long-term success. Connect on Twitter @RossBRomano and LinkedIn
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Sep 18, 2023 • 29min
Using AI to Terminate Homework with Jethro Jones - Transformative Principal: Summer of AI
Teens can use artificial intelligence to help them rock their homework. AI shouldn't be something parents and teachers are afraid of, and I had a great conversation with Transformative Principal Jethro Jones on how teens can use AI to TERMINATE their homework! And by terminate, I mean complete it. Obviously.--See what Jethro is up to at www.jethrojones.com--Register for my new Drop-In Coaching offer for this fall semester by going to www.joeymascio.com/drop-in-coaching--Follow me on Instagram! www.instagram.com/sidekicktohero
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Sep 14, 2023 • 16min
Navigating AI Biases with Mike Gaskell - Transformative Principal 560
Generative AI offers many advantages for educators, for use in and out of the classroom.When I prompt for images of "a focused student," the first three are boys, two are white, the third is an Asian boy, and the fourth is an apparent high school female.If my anecdotal examples haven't convinced you, try for yourself, or refer to a respected resource on this subject, which characterizes how bias is becoming a more obvious concern while producing these realistic images.In essence, this makes collected information static, yet dynamic in how AI returns the content.In the first example, I added one word, "diverse.""Write a song that promotes understanding and empathy between people from different walks of life."
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Sep 11, 2023 • 38min
Artificial Intelligence to Streamline Your Teacher Life with Mary Howard - Transformative Principal: Summer of AI
Mary Howard is a Nationally Board Certified Teacher and teaches 6th grade ELA and Science in Grand Island, New York. She has found success using digital tools that not only make learning fun for her students, but encourage critical thinking, collaboration, and create a life-long passion for learning. Whether the digital experience is related to Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics or promotes literacy, Mary believes passionately in the potential that technology has for reaching and engaging ALL learners. In pursuit of this passion, Mary has spent the past 15 years presenting at dozens of technology conferences including NYSCATE, STANYS and, ISTE among others. She has become a globally recognized speaker on the topics of augmented reality and virtual reality and the Next Generation Science Standards and shares her strategies through her blog, yoursmarticles.com. She has published numerous educational technology articles and has provided webinars on Virtual Environments, Virtual Reality, 3D Design, QR codes and digital engagement strategies. Mary’s accolades include recognition as the 2018 International Society for Technology in Education’s Virtual Pioneer of the Year and 3 Silver Presidential Volunteer Service awards. She was a New York State Teacher of the year finalist for 2018 and 2020 and is a New York State Master Teacher. When Mary isn’t elbows deep in her technology initiatives, she is a mother of 3 boys and devotes her free time to refereeing youth hockey and volunteering within the hockey community. She is an avid runner, Adirondack 46er and recently cycled across New York State on the Erie Canal. Mary is a newly published author with her new release, Artificial Intelligence to Streamline Your Teacher Life: The ChatGPT Guide for Educators.Key Takeaways:AI is a tool that will help give teachers more time, reduce burnout, and improve teaching.Technology is about amplifying teachers' ability to reach all students.Reluctance to integrate technology doesn't come from a place of fear rather a place of this is, "one more thing".The more we streamline teachers' everyday tasks, the more we can get them in front of students and spending more quality time facilitating student learning.ChatGPT still needs to be checked once the product is finished.We need to make sure we follow age and privacy concerns because ChatGPT is collecting data on the users.Education still has to focus on thinking rather than retrieval of information. This will help the integration of ChatGPT as a useful tool rather than a tool used to get good grades.The perfect classroom still has a teacher who is helping guide rich discussions through the Socratic method and collaboration with AI helping streamline that in the background.Leaders need to celebrate every little success individuals have to continually build positivity.Stay Connected:Artificial Intelligence to Streamline Your Teacher Life: The ChatGPT Guide for EducatorsYour SmarticlesTwitter
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.

Sep 7, 2023 • 17min
AI: Remarkably Imperfect Productivity for Educators & Families with Mike Gaskell - Transformative Principal: Summer of AI
Episode adapted from this article The use of AI chat tools has rapidly increased this year.AI chat tools have a difficult time with voice since they lack the emotional context that humans can interpret through the nuances of tone, pitch, expression, and most of all, uniqueness.More significantly, AI chat tools cannot express a person’s point of view because they lack the complex beliefs, values, and opinions that form a person’s consciousness.Educators should make this clear to people accessing AI chat tools in their schools.While AI chat tools have some limitations such as capturing voice and eyes, it has remarkable productivity opportunities educators can leverage while navigating around imperfections to increase their efficiency and effectiveness.
LinkedLeaders: You need support. Get just-in-time mentoring at LinkedLeaders.comWe’re thrilled to be sponsored by IXL. IXL’s comprehensive teaching and learning platform for math, language arts, science, and social studies is accelerating achievement in 95 of the top 100 U.S. school districts. Loved by teachers and backed by independent research from Johns Hopkins University, IXL can help you do the following and more:Simplify and streamline technologySave teachers’ timeReliably meet Tier 1 standardsImprove student performance on state assessments🚀 Ready to see why leading districts trust IXL for their educational needs? Visit IXL.com/BE today to learn more about how IXL can elevate your school or district.