Pioneers and Pathfinders

Today’s guest is Jordan Furlong, a legal industry analyst who has been writing, thinking, and speaking about the intersection of law and business for more than 20 years. As the mastermind behind Law21, he is on the constant lookout for critical new developments and emerging patterns in the legal services ecosystem. He uses these insights to advise legal organizations on how to plan their strategies and achieve their goals. Listen in as we discuss: • Jordan’s fascinating take on “lawyer formation”—the education and development of practicing lawyers. • What he sees as the gaps in training, and how those influenced his own path in the industry. • How Jordan is working toward a better future for the legal profession and the society it serves, and why it takes persistence, politeness, and understanding.

Today we welcome back our first two-time guest, the one and only Susan Hackett, for another enjoyable discussion about life, law, and business. For those of you who don’t know her, Susan is the CEO of Legal Executive Leadership, LLC, and was vice president and general counsel of the Association of Corporate Counsel (ACC) for more than 20 years. While at the ACC, she presided over the creation of the Value Challenge, designed to recognize the in-house teams and outside counsel who are driving value in legal spending. Today Susan is part of a number of entrepreneurial pursuits focused on the improvement of the legal profession. Listen in to today’s conversation to learn about: • Susan’s take on the evolving role of the general counsel in in-house legal departments. • Her recent work on programming for In-House Focus. • The ramifications of a different mindset by the GC—and what that means for service providers.

Today's guest has a fascinating in-house role, and is a leading voice for the LGBTQ+ community in the legal industry. Wesley Bizzell serves as senior assistant general counsel and managing director of Political Law and Ethics Programs, External Affairs for Altria Client Services, Inc. He oversees a comprehensive compliance program covering the regulation of government affairs, providing advice and guidance on political law compliance for more than 75 jurisdictions. Just as important for our purposes, Wesley is incredibly active in promoting diversity and inclusion within the legal and corporate communities. He is a founding member and serves on the steering committee for Altria’s LGBTQ+ employee research group, and is the immediate past president of the National LGBTQ+ Bar Association. Join us as we talk: - All things in-house. - How the pandemic affected his work. - LGBTQ+ inclusion.

To celebrate the one-year anniversary of Pioneers and Pathfinders, we present this “best of” episode, featuring our first guest, Dr. Heidi Gardner. Dr. Gardner is a distinguished fellow at Harvard Law School’s Center on the Legal Profession and faculty chair of the school’s Accelerated Leadership Program and Sector Leadership Masterclass. She is also the best-selling author of Smart Collaboration and noted thought leader on the topics of collaboration, lateral hiring, in-house legal teams, leadership, and performance. Dr. Gardner’s work creates a roadmap for collaboration among lawyers who are by both disposition and training, highly autonomous. Listen in for a discussion of how working virtually has enhanced collaboration, the specific barriers to collaboration in legal, and the erosion of trust during the pandemic. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did.

Today's guest is Matthew Stubenberg. Matthew is the associate director of legal technology at Harvard Law School's Access to Justice Lab, and president of MDLegalApps. Early on in his career, he recognized the power of pairing technology with public service, and he committed himself to exploring that potential. Shortly after graduating from the University of Maryland Law School, Matthew created a number of technology applications that increased access to justice for thousands of Marylanders and helped many thousands more navigate the Maryland court system and public court records, surfacing data that has been used to defend clients and shape reform measures. Listen in to learn more about: - Matthew's path in legal technology. - Why he is a firm believer that lawyers should learn to code.

Today's guest is Laura Safdie. Laura is the chief operating officer at Casetext, whose products include the number one-rated legal research platform Casetext Research, an all-in-one research and drafting print platform Compose, and Parallel Search, which offers the first application of concept-based search for the law. Laura joined Casetext after stints at Simpson Thacher & Bartlett, the US Senate Judiciary Committee, and a clerkship in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York. Like a number of our past guests, she graduated from Yale Law School and later made the leap from Big Law to the legal tech startup life. Laura currently sits on the advisory board of OneJustice, a California legal aid nonprofit. She provides strategic guidance in the development and implementation of OneJustice’s innovative programs and in OneJustice’s growth. Join us as we talk about: - Why Laura chose a career in law. - How she made the jump from Big Law to the startup world. - All of the exciting things that Casetext is doing.

Today we have the distinct honor of being joined by Michigan Supreme Court Chief Justice Bridget Mary McCormack. Her passion for access to justice has been a constant throughout her career in public service. Immediately out of law school in New York, she joined the Legal Aid Society and the Office of the Appellate Defender. As a professor at the University of Michigan Law School, she launched a number of clinics devoted to domestic violence, pediatric health, mediation, low income taxpayers, human trafficking, and juvenile justice. The Michigan Innocence Clinic, which she founded—and in which students represent wrongfully convicted Michiganders—has exonerated more than 22 people so far, and has shined a light on the important justice issues underlying wrongful conviction. She joined the Michigan Supreme Court in January 2013, and became chief justice in January 2019. Since joining the court, Chief Justice McCormack continues to teach at the law school and continues to speak out on important issues around the access to justice problem in our society. Listen in to today's discussion to hear: - Her thoughts on the access to justice challenge and how we can bridge the gap. - Why judges should be agents for justice system reform.

Throughout the year, we highlight episodes of Pioneers and Pathfinders that deserve a second (or third) listen. This month, as we celebrate Black History Month, we are revisiting our interview with Laurie Robinson Haden, founder of Corporate Counsel Women of Color (CCWC). Today, CCWC provides an important platform for Black women attorneys to network and forge successful career paths in law. Laurie Robinson Haden is an award-winning lawyer and agent of change who personifies the pioneering spirit that defines this podcast. During a nearly 20-year stint in various leadership roles in CBS’s law department, she founded CCWC, the largest and most influential professional organization of its kind. What started as an informal group of friends exchanging contact information in 2004 has now become a powerhouse network of nearly 5,000 women of color devoted to empowering one another and lifting one another up. Seyfarth is proud to have played a role in the early days by helping Laurie set the organization up as a 501(c)(3), and the firm is proud to call her an alum, as well. Listen in to today’s conversation to get a feel for Laurie’s infectious energy as we discuss: - The need for an organization like CCWC—especially for first-generation women lawyers of color. - Her advice for getting buy-in and support from employers for diversity initiatives, and why people shouldn’t be afraid to walk away when they don’t get it. - What’s next for CCWC as it turns focus from the chief legal officers space to the boardroom.

Long before the nonstop stressors of the last two years, Jeena Cho was a vocal advocate for the well-being of lawyers. It started when she realized how meditation and mindfulness could help her deal with the stress of practicing bankruptcy law. Since that time, her message about the urgency of wellness for lawyers has resonated throughout the industry, thanks in large part to her best-selling book, The Anxious Lawyer. She is a regular contributor to legal and traditional media, and she also speaks and offers training and workshops to law firms and bar associations around the country. Listen in to today’s conversation to learn about: - Jeena’s journey to law—which was inspired by a long-running TV show. - How her meditation practice started. - When she realized mindfulness had broader application to the well-being issues facing legal professionals, and how it can make the profession more inclusive.

Today’s guest is Professor Dan Katz, a scientist, technologist, and educator who applies innovative approaches to teaching law. His goal is to help create lawyers for today's biggest societal challenges by integrating science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. Dan’s programs at Michigan State University College of Law and Illinois Tech Chicago-Kent College of Law have produced some of the most innovative lawyers practicing and working in the business of law today. He is also actively involved in the rapidly growing legal technology industry. Dan is the co-founder and chief strategy officer of LexPredict, and he also serves as a formal and informal advisor to a number of legal tech startups. Listen in to today’s conversation to hear: - How Dan’s experience as a kicker in college prepared him for law school. - His pride in seeing one of his former students on the Nasdaq live stream in Times Square. - Why the worst thing a legal tech entrepreneur can do is take too much money.