Energy Thinks with Tisha Schuller

A great conversation (as usual) with Williams’s new CEO, Chad Zamarin, kicking off Season 9 of the podcast. With the release of Tisha’s new book The Myth and The Moment just around the corner, this episode dives into the core themes shaping today’s energy landscape—from the unraveling of the myth of an easy energy transition to the powerful opportunities emerging from this new moment.Since joining Williams in 2017, Chad has led the company’s expansion by guiding the corporate strategy process, delivering strategic acquisitions and providing commercial leadership across William’s various businesses, geographies and customers.Chad has a bachelor’s in materials engineering from Purdue University and holds an MBA from the University of Houston.Chad is located in Tulsa, OK.Watch the episode on YouTube.Pre-order The Myth and The Moment now!Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Interview recorded on July 7, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

In this bonus episode, Tisha Schuller shares five practical insights of advice from a recent keynote appearance for navigating disagreement and building alignment in tough rooms. This is a recap of a keynote given to the Energy Leadership Institute (ELI).Mentioned in the episode:Tisha’s forthcoming book, The Myth and The Moment.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Episode recorded on June 13, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

In this solo season finale, Tisha reflects on the biggest takeaways from writing The Myth and The Moment—and why a rational energy transition is no longer a given. She explores how industry leaders are navigating opportunity and credibility in a volatile environment, and what’s at stake as the Myth refuses to die. From zombie narratives to real leadership, this episode is a call to action for those ready to shape the future, not just survive it.Mentioned in the episode:Tisha’s forthcoming book, The Myth and The Moment.The Both of These Things Are True newsletter, “The Three Ts of Energy Realism”.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Episode recorded on May 30, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

Tisha Schuller welcomes Roger Pielke Jr., senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and professor emeritus at the University of Colorado Boulder to the Energy Thinks podcast.At AEI, Roger focuses on science and technology policy, the politicization of science, government science advice, and energy and climate. He is also a distinguished fellow at the Institute of Energy Economics, Japan, a research associate of Risk Frontiers (Sydney, Australia), and an honorary professor of University College London.Subscribe to Roger’s popular Substack, The Honest Broker. He has been published in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, and the Financial Times.Roger has written a number of books, including The Rightful Place of Science: Disasters and Climate Change (2018); The Edge: The War Against Cheating and Corruption in the Cutthroat World of Elite Sports (2016); Presidential Science Advisers: Reflections on Science, Policy and Politics (2011), with R. Klein; and The Climate Fix: What Scientists and Politicians Won’t Tell You About Global Warming (2010).Roger has a PhD in political science, an MA in public policy, and a BA in mathematics, all from the University of Colorado Boulder.Roger is located in Boulder, CO.Mentioned in the episode:Roger’s survey co-published with Ruy Teixeira: The Clean Energy Transition’s Voter Problem.Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter published on September 26, 2024: “The 3 T’s of Energy Realism.”Watch the episode on YouTube to hear Tisha and Roger discuss The Myth and The Moment.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Interview recorded on May 12, 2024] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

In this solo episode, Tisha Schuller explores why The Myth of an Easy Energy Transition remains stubbornly persistent and how you, the oil and gas leader, are well placed to play a pivotal role in shaping the post-Abundance narrative. For more, sign up for Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter.Mentioned in the episode:Tisha’s upcoming book, The Myth and The Moment.Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson's new bestselling book, Abundance.Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter, “Practical Environmentalism Is Inevitable”The Energy Thinks podcast episode: Are We Beyond Peak Climate? with Ruy TeixeiraSubscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Episode recorded on April 24, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

Tisha Schuller welcomes Ruy Teixeira, nonresident senior fellow at American Enterprise Institute (AEI) to the Energy Thinks podcast.Ruy focuses on the transformation of party coalitions and the future of American electoral politics. Before joining AEI, he was a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress from 2003 to 2022.He is the author of many books, reports, and articles. He is the coauthor of The Emerging Democratic Majority, one of his most influential books, which was selected as one of the best books of the year by the Economist. Ruy is also often published including in the Atlantic, the American Prospect, National Review, the New Republic, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. He hosts “The Liberal Patriot” podcast and co-edits the blog on Substack. He is also a contributing writer at The Washington Post and The Free Press.He holds a PhD and MS in sociology from the University of Wisconsin–Madison. His dissertation on declining voter turnout was published as Why Americans Don’t Vote: Turnout Decline in the United States, 1960–1984. His BA is from the University of Michigan.Ruy is located in Washington, DC.Mentioned in the episode:The Liberal Patriot podcast: Ruy’s interviews with Marc Dunkelman and Derek Thompson.Ruy’s piece published January 9, 2025: The Unstoppable Rise of Energy Realism.Ruy’s AEI report with Yuval Levin published October 11, 2024: Politics Without Winners: Can Either Party Build a Majority Coalition? And another AEI report published from Ruy on May 10, 2023: From Environmentalism to Climate Catastrophism: A Democratic Story.Ruy’s survey co-published with Roger Pielke Jr.: The Clean Energy Transition’s Voter Problem.Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson.Energy Thinks Podcast: Secret?! Practical Environmentalism with Matthew Yglesias.Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter published on November 21, 2024: Practical Environmentalism Is Inevitable.Watch the video on YouTube to see Tisha and Ruy discuss The Myth and The Moment.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Interview recorded on April 14, 2024] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

In this solo episode, Tisha Schuller reflects on the role of leadership and strategy during times of uncertainty. For more, sign up for Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter.Mentioned in the episode:Tisha’s first book, Accidentally Adamant.Recent Both of These Things Are True newsletters, “The Myth Revealed by The Moment” and “Everything Changes. Here’s a Plan for That”.If you’re able to help those in need during these times of uncertainty, please consider participating with your local food bank.Special shoutout to Lindsey Slaughter who has stuck through all the ups and downs with Tisha and 10 years of Adamantine Energy.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Episode recorded on April 8, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

In this solo episode, Tisha Schuller reflects on the current state of the energy sector, the shifting political landscape, and how companies can navigate this ever-changing environment. For more, sign up for Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter.Mentioned in the episode:Both Of These Things Are True newsletters “Thank You for Smoking” and “Climate Warrior or Climate Curious”.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Episode recorded on March 15, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

In this solo episode, Tisha Schuller explores the best way you can take advantage of the current political chaos: with steady and steadfast leadership. For more, sign up for Tisha’s Both of These Things Are True newsletter.Mentioned in the episode:Both Of These Things Are True newsletters “Thank You for Smoking” and “Climate Warrior or Climate Curious”.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Episode recorded on February 26, 2025] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com

Tisha Schuller welcomes Lorna Luebbe, general counsel, senior vice president, and chief sustainability officer for Puget Sound Energy to the Energy Thinks podcast.Lorna received a bachelor’s degree in geology and economics from Cornell University and received her law degree from Lewis & Clark. She also completed the Executive Management Program from the University of Washington.For 23 years Lorna has worked for Puget Sound Energy (PSE). Her roles have included senior corporate counsel, assistant general counsel, director of environmental services, deputy general counsel, and vice president of sustainability.She is responsible for PSE’s sustainability efforts and progress toward PSE’s aspirational Beyond Net Zero Carbon goal. Lorna also handles complex litigation and other legal issues on behalf of PSE.Lorna is located in Seattle, Washington and tries to keep up with her three very active teenagers in her free time.Watch the video on YouTube to see Tisha and Lorna discuss The Moment.Subscribe here for Tisha’s weekly Both of These Things Are True email newsletter.Follow all things Adamantine Energy at www.energythinks.com.Thanks to Kayla Chieves who makes the Energy Thinks podcast possible.[Interview recorded on February 12, 2024] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tishaschuller.substack.com