

39 GEN - a Yo San University podcast
39GEN
This podcast is a gateway into all things Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), offering insights to the wisdom and healing at YSU. Whether you are a seasoned practitioner or a newcomer, you are welcome to dip your toe in the water or take a deep dive into learning about acupuncture, herbs, qi cultivation and other healing modalities.
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Apr 19, 2025 • 41min
Fertility Roadmaps: Acupuncturists & MDs Working Together
In this episode of the Yo San University 39Gen Podcast, Sean Trace sits down with Coleen Smith and Whitney Fessler—two leaders in the field of reproductive acupuncture and current board members of ABORM (The American Board of Oriental Reproductive Medicine). They explore how integrative fertility care is evolving, the role of ABORM in raising standards for acupuncture practitioners, and why collaboration between Eastern and Western medicine is essential for helping patients conceive. From patient success stories to navigating clinical relationships with OB-GYNs and REIs, this is an inspiring conversation packed with insight, warmth, and wisdom for anyone passionate about fertility, healthcare, and holistic healing.Whitney opened her first acupuncture clinic in Flagstaff, Arizona. After several successful years there, Whitney, a Wyoming native, returned to Jackson Hole to continue her practice, renaming it to Grand Teton Acupuncture. She is pleased to offer traditional Eastern Medicine therapies including acupuncture, herbal remedies, nutritional consultations, and much more to residents and visitors of Jackson Hole. While Whitney enjoys treating all types of conditions, her passion is treating fertility issues. After much studying and researching, she decided to take the Acupuncture & TCM Board of Reproductive Medicine (ABORM) exam in 2018 in order to further her knowledge of both Eastern & Western conditions that often lead to infertility.Dr Coleen Smith established Point of Origin Acupuncture in Spokane Washington in 2004. Point of Origin provided the only specialized fertility acupuncture in eastern Washington. Women’s Health and IVF support became the focus of Coleen’s life. She receives referrals from reproductive endocrinologists, obstetrician gynecologists, lactation consultants and pelvic floor specialists to support women through various stages of pre and post-natal care. She is now a part of the executive branch of The Acupuncture and TCM Board of Reproductive Medicine, ABORM. She has been a fellow of the ABORM since its inception in 2008 and has been serving on the Board for 9 years.

Apr 8, 2025 • 51min
As Within, So Without: Rediscovering Balance in an Unbalanced World with Michael Berletich
In this profound episode of the 39Gen Podcast, Sean Trace speaks with Dr. Michael Berletich, faculty member at Yo San University, longtime teacher, and accomplished musician. Dr. Berletich shares his unique path from environmental science and Native American healing traditions into the world of Chinese medicine. The conversation explores themes of internal cultivation, symbolic patient language, and the deep alignment between human beings and nature. With reflections on teaching, healing, and the importance of Qigong, this episode is a rich tapestry of wisdom and inspiration for students, practitioners, and curious minds alike.

Mar 20, 2025 • 52min
The Alchemy of Healing: Acupuncture, Taoism, and Herbal Medicine with Daniel Schrier
In this episode of the Yo San University 39 Gen Podcast, host Sean Trace sits down with acupuncturist and Yo San faculty member Daniel Schrier to explore the profound intersections between cultural anthropology, traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), and Taoist philosophy. Daniel shares his early exposure to alternative healing, his global studies of traditional medicine in China, Niger, and Fiji, and his journey into acupuncture and herbal medicine. They also discuss the importance of lineage, symbolism in Chinese medicine, and how names and formulas carry deeper meanings. A must-listen for anyone passionate about healing, cultural traditions, and the wisdom behind Chinese medicine.

Mar 7, 2025 • 50min
The Art of Herbal Medicine: Vigilance, Observation, & Mastery with Kerri Westhauser
In this episode of the Yo San University 39Gen Podcast, host Sean Trace welcomes acupuncturist, herbalist, and Yo San faculty member Kerri Westhauser to discuss the depth and complexity of Chinese herbal medicine. Kerri shares her journey into the world of herbalism, emphasizing the importance of vigilance in diagnosis and treatment. She explores how herbs interact, the necessity of constantly adjusting formulas, and the nuances of working with natural medicine. The conversation delves into integration vs. staying true to classical principles, the challenges of sourcing high-quality herbs, and how a deep understanding of nature and seasonality enhances treatment. This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about Chinese medicine, holistic healing, and the art of true personalized care.

Feb 23, 2025 • 48min
Transforming Eczema, Skin Disorders, and Autoimmune Diseases with Herbs - Dr. Mazin Al-Khafaji
In this insightful episode of the Yo San University 39 Gen Podcast, host Sean Trace sits down with Dr. Mazin Al-Khafaji, a world-renowned doctor of Chinese medicine specializing in dermatology and autoimmune diseases. Dr. Al-Khafaji shares his journey into Chinese medicine, his education in China, and his pioneering work in treating inflammatory skin disorders. Dr. Al-Khafaji has taught in the Yo San University doctoral program, and is currently running his 2-year dermatology diploma program at YSU.He discusses the power of herbal medicine, the nuanced approach to pattern recognition, and how Chinese medicine’s efficacy is demonstrated in clinical practice. From his groundbreaking involvement in eczema research at Great Ormond Street Hospital to his philosophy on continuous learning, this conversation is rich with wisdom for practitioners and enthusiasts alike. Whether you’re a student of Chinese medicine or simply curious about the healing power of herbs, this episode is a must-listen.

Feb 3, 2025 • 45min
The Heartbeat of Healing: Shen, Qi, and the Art of Medicine with Brandt Stickley
In this enlightening episode of the 39Gen Podcast, host Sean Trace welcomes Brandt Stickley, associate professor at the National University of Natural Medicine and a student of the late Dr. Leon Hammer. Brandt also teaches in the YSU DAOM program. Here they dive into the profound depths of Chinese medicine, discussing Shen Hammer pulse diagnosis, classical acupuncture, and the Shang Han Lun's timeless insights. Brandt's process-oriented approach to healing, inspired by both ancient and modern philosophies, encourages us to see life as an ever-evolving, interconnected journey. This episode bridges the unseen and the tangible, offering valuable wisdom for practitioners and anyone seeking a deeper understanding of holistic health. For more info on his work, visit https://www.brandtstickley.com/

Jan 21, 2025 • 33min
Building Community and Healing | Creating a Thriving Integrative Practice with Dr. Natalie Kilheeney
In this episode of the Yo San University 39Gen Podcast, Sean Trace welcomes Dr. Natalie Kilheeney, a Doctor of Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine based in South Bend, Indiana. They delve into Dr. Kilheeney’s inspiring journey from an unfulfilling career to becoming a trailblazer in integrative wellness. She shares her experiences of building a thriving practice with two clinic locations, a 10-acre retreat farm, and a team of 35 practitioners. Dr. Kilheeney emphasizes the importance of self-cultivation, community building, and staying aligned with one’s purpose. They discuss the integration of shamanic practices with Chinese medicine, her vision for the future of integrative healthcare, and advice for new practitioners. Dr. Kilheeney’s journey exemplifies resilience, intention, and the transformative power of self-discovery.

Dec 16, 2024 • 39min
Cass Naumann: From Music to Medicine – A Journey Through Chinese Healing Arts
In this episode of the Yo San University 39Gen Podcast, Sean Trace is joined by Chinese Medicine Doctor Cass Naumann for an insightful discussion on the transformative potential of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Medical Qigong. Cass has taught in the Yo San University doctoral program, and was a featured speaker at the 2022 Yo San University Integrative Reproductive Medicine Symposium. In our latest episode, she shares her journey from being a musician to becoming a healer, exploring the profound effects of energy medicine, vibrational healing, and the biofield. Delve into the interconnectedness of mind, body, and spirit, examine the role of intuition in healing practice, and reflect on the remarkable and often mysterious possibilities of healing. The conversation in this episode will inspire you to embrace the wonder of life’s transformative processes and consider the potential of alternative medicine.Dr. Cass Naumann is an intuitive teacher and healer whose decades of studies and innate gifts bestow upon her clients an elevated sense of well-being, awareness, and self-compassion. She has mastered a myriad of healing modalities including: Qigong, Tai Qi, vibrational sound healing, acupuncture, cupping, energy work (medical qigong/reiki), breath-work, bodywork (tuina), yoga, and meditation. In recent years she has also been working in the psychedelic integration spaces through internal theory, shadow work, spiritual direction and coaching. In essence, Cass is a light-worker, devoted to the heart and spirit of this medicine, ushering the collective consciousness toward more peace, balance, and loving kindness.

Dec 4, 2024 • 38min
Unlocking the Flow: Insights from the Tao of Wellness with Albert Vaca
Welcome to the Yo San University 39Gen Podcast! In this episode, Sean Trace interviews Albert Vaca, a Yo San University alumnus and principal practitioner at Tao of Wellness in Pasadena. Albert shares his inspiring journey from Tai Chi and Qi development to becoming a seasoned acupuncturist. Sean and Albert dive into the importance of mentorship, the philosophy of flow, and creating a healing space for patients. Discover how he integrates Traditional Chinese Medicine, fascia work, and breathwork into his practice. Whether you're a student, practitioner, or someone curious about acupuncture, this episode will deepen your understanding of holistic health and healing. Albert Vaca, California Board Licensed Acupuncturist, received his Master’s degree in Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine from Yo San University. Having a background in martial arts and competitive sports, he was drawn to Sports Medicine and orthopedics. He completed a postgraduate training in acupuncture orthopedics at Cedars Sinai Hospital, and furthered his training by becoming certified as an Acupuncture Orthopedic Specialist from the Academy of Orthopedic Acupuncture.Albert is a firm believer in integrative healthcare and has worked in women’s health, internal medicine and pediatrics with other medical specialists at the Venice Family Clinic and Being Alive HIV clinic. An educator at heart, he served as Dean of Clinical Education at Yo San University where he enjoyed sharing his clinical knowledge with interns. He is co-author of BACK to Pain-Free Health: Secrets of Natural Healing for Back Pain, and is fluent in Spanish.Albert is dedicated to personal development and practices meditation and tai chi regularly. He hopes to empower patients at Tao of Wellness with his knowledge, and to help them activate their innate restorative abilities that promote healing and well-being.

Nov 19, 2024 • 51min
East Meets West: Proactive Health Beyond Sick Care with Todd Plymale-Mallory
Welcome to the 39GEN Podcast, presented by Yo San University! In this episode, host Sean Trace speaks with Todd Plymale-Mallory, Yo San University faculty member and wellness expert, with decades of experience in Eastern and integrative medicine. Todd shares his journey from Western medical aspirations to Chinese medicine and offers insights into proactive health care, holistic healing, and the healing power of touch. Together, they explore how integrative approaches can transform lives by connecting mind, body, and spirit. Perfect for health professionals and wellness enthusiasts, this episode is packed with wisdom on healing, recovery, and achieving balanced health.Todd completed his Masters in Acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medicine at Yo San University in Los Angeles in 2006. Then in 2009 he became a Diplomat of the National Board of Acupuncture Orthopedics (1 of fewer than 1000 in the US) and now has decades of experience treating Orthopedic and Sports related injuries. Todd has been blessed to work with the world's Elite Professional Triathletes, Top Professional Road/Cross/MTB and Track Cyclists, Top Mixed Martial Artists, NBA Players, Major Leaguers, AVP athletes, and many other amateur and elite level athletes.More recently, Todd has been working with the American Institute of Psychiatry in Traditional Chinese Medicine to bring the ancient traditions of Taoist Five Element Shen (Spirit) Medicine back to the forefront of natural treatment of Mental Health Disorders. Beyond the clinic and classroom settings, Todd is currently working on developing an integrated education curriculum for Acupuncturist and Massage Therapists, working to publish his first book, and will be giving regular lectures, seminars, and workshops on a variety of health and wellness topics. Specialties: Acupuncture, Mind-Body-Soul Medicine, Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine and Psychiatry, Orthopedics & Sports Medicine, Perinatal Treatment to support Childbirth, Tui Na, Deep Tissue & NeuroMuscular Therapy.