Lawyers Who Learn

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman interviews Hani, an estate lawyer and Lawline power user. They discuss the importance of constant learning for attorneys and how Hani's dedication, particularly to leveraging Lawline courses, has fueled his legal career. The conversation delves into Hani's methods of learning, including listening to courses multiple times, engaging in study groups, and utilizing AI tools. They highlight the significance of curiosity, creation, and connection in the learning process, offering valuable insights for legal professionals eager to enhance their knowledge and skills.

Dominic Rogger, a legal tech entrepreneur from Zurich and founder of Get Your Lawyer, shares his transition from traditional law to innovative practice management. He dives into the transformative impact of AI, large language models, and the shift towards value-based pricing. Rogger discusses the evolution of law firm structures, emphasizing revenue-sharing models and transparency. He also highlights the importance of continuous learning for lawyers navigating the complexities of an increasingly tech-savvy legal landscape.

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, we explore the power of pushing boundaries with Kolby Granville, an attorney, entrepreneur, educator, and endurance athlete whose life exemplifies growth through embracing discomfort. Kolby is the Founder and Editor-in-Chief of After Dinner Conversation, a nonprofit promoting philosophical discourse through storytelling, and he also is an attorney at Granville Law, PLLC, focusing on criminal defense and civil matters.  Kolby shares how consistently stepping outside his comfort zone, from navigating the complexities of law and starting new ventures to competing in Ironman races has shaped his career and life. Whether you're looking to grow in your career or take on new personal challenges, this episode offers actionable advice for anyone ready to explore uncharted territory and achieve meaningful progress.

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, we dive into the inspiring journey of Angelica Cesario, Vice President of Learning Solutions at Lawline. Angelica shares her path from a family deeply rooted in the values of hard work and education, through her formative experiences at prestigious institutions like Spence School and Amherst College, to impactful roles in civil rights law and legal education. Discover how mentors and opportunities, such as the Teagle Fellowship, shaped her career and led her to her current role at Lawline, where she combines her legal expertise with a passion for innovative content development and strategic growth. Angelica also discusses her commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), her work to create inclusive learning environments, and her focus on empowering attorneys through high-quality educational opportunities. Fluent in Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian, Angelica's story highlights the power of perseverance, mentorship, and lifelong learning in driving success in legal careers. Join us for this compelling conversation and gain valuable insights into how education and connection can inspire growth and meaningful change in the legal profession.

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, Lawline's CEO David Schnurman dives into the career path of Shahed Kader, an attorney who transitioned from a decade-long career in SaaS sales to founding his own law firm focused on legal services for technology companies. The conversation highlights the importance of lifelong learning, mentorship, and practical strategies for integrating legal education into a full-time career. Shahed shares insights on overcoming challenges, the value of sales experience, and leveraging CLE courses and AI tools like Lawline for continuous learning and professional growth. The episode ends with a discussion on the future of law, emphasizing flexibility, entrepreneurial spirit, and the transformative potential of AI in legal practice.

In part 1 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, chats with Shaun Jardine, author of Ditch the Billable Hour and CEO of Big Yellow Penguin. Shaun shares his journey from traditional billing practices to implementing a value-based pricing model in his law firm. Together they explore the the challenges of shifting from billable hours to value-based pricing, and the impact of AI on the future of legal practice. Key topics include implementing change management, client communication, and the importance of scoping work accurately. Shaun also provides practical steps for law firms interested in adopting value-based pricing and discusses the significance of learning from peers and leveraging innovative pricing strategies.

In part 2 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, welcomes Mathew Kerbis, a passionate advocate for subscription models in the legal industry. They discuss the nuances of value-based pricing versus traditional billing, the importance of continuous education, and the potential of AI tools like Descript. Matthew shares his transition from big law to owning a subscription-based solo practice, emphasizing the power of mentorship and teaching as fundamentally intertwined with law practice. Tune in to get inspired and gain insights on adopting innovative legal service models to grow your legal career. Mathew has also taught several courses on Lawline on AI and value-based pricing, which can be found at the link below. Courses on Lawline

In part 3 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, Lawine CEO David Schnurman interviews Eddie Hartman, co-founder of LegalZoom and partner at Simon-Kucher, about the intricacies of pricing strategies within the legal industry. Eddie shares his career journey from tech enthusiast and lawyer to consultant specializing in pricing strategy for AmLaw 100 firms and legal tech companies. The conversation delves into the nuances of pricing, highlighting the importance of value perception, the challenges of traditional hourly rates, and the potential impact of AI on legal pricing models. Eddie also provides insights into how future law firms might adapt their pricing strategies to better align with client expectations and technological advancements.

In part 4 of the Lawyers Who Learn series on Alternative Pricing, Gwen Griggs, Managing Director of Advos Legal and Co-Founder of Advos Pro, shares her transformative journey from traditional billable hours to value-based pricing. With Lawline's CEO David Schnurman, Gwen dives into the strategies that reshaped her legal practice: Embracing project management to deliver what clients need—on time and transparently. Building business models that value efficiency and client satisfaction. Creating a law firm where people—clients and team members alike—come first. Beyond pricing, Gwen’s insights into forming supportive legal communities and coaching programs remind us of the endless possibilities when lawyers think beyond the billable hour. Don’t miss this inspiring discussion that’s reshaping the future of legal practice. Gwen's approach shows how law firms can evolve for greater profitability, client loyalty, and fulfillment.

In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, interviews Cali Franks-Field, a Texas-licensed attorney, CLE content creator, and advocate for lifelong learning. As a Program Attorney at Lawline, Cali works with top legal professionals to produce engaging CLE content and serves in leadership roles with the Dallas Association of Young Lawyers, ABA Young Lawyers Division, and Texas Young Lawyers Association. Based in Dallas-Fort Worth, she also honors her family’s legacy by serving on the board of the Dallas Firefighter’s Museum. Cali shares how bar service has shaped her career, advancing her professionally and personally. She discusses how these experiences offer unique leadership opportunities, enabling young lawyers to develop skills beyond traditional law firm roles. Cali’s mantra, "There’s no one right way to be a lawyer," encourages attorneys to explore non-traditional paths and embrace lifelong learning. Whether you’re new to bar associations or looking to grow as a leader, this episode is filled with insights to inspire your next steps. Tune in and see how bar service can transform your legal career!