
The AAMFT Podcast
The AAMFT Podcast is an all-access pass to the latest news, developments, and thought leaders in the world of systemic therapy. Hosted by Dr. Eli Karam, it strives to relate, educate, and innovate one episode at a time. The episodes explore topics that relationship-based therapists care about, and features unique conversations and interviews with established experts. The show provides information and education on direct practice and emerging trends in the MFT profession.
Latest episodes

Dec 13, 2019 • 55min
Episode 20: Preparing for the MFT Licensure Exam
In this episode, Eli sits down with Dr. Jaime Goff and Dr. Sara Blakeslee Salkil to discuss the MFT Licensure exam. Jaime holds a Ph.D. in Couple and Family Therapy from Michigan State University and a Certificate in Executive Coaching from Southern Methodist University. Sara is the program director of the online Master’s in Marriage and Family Therapy program and Assistant Dean of Graduate Studies.First, they share some of the biggest fears and concerns students have surrounding the exam. Then they provide some background information on the exam. They share their best tips and tricks on how to prepare for the exam. If you are preparing to take the exam, this is the podcast for you!

Nov 22, 2019 • 43min
Episode 19: Scott Sells: Treating the Traumatized Child
Scott Sells holds a Ph.D. in both Marriage and Family Therapy and Social Work from Florida State University. He has over 20 publications and has authored three books including “Treating the Traumatized Child: A Step-by-Step Family Systems Approach.” Scott specializes in working with impossible or stuck cases whose families have not been successful with other counselors.First, Scott explains what first drew him to the field and how he started as an MFT. He then discusses how he induced the PLL model and the experiences that led to developing it. He gives valuable tips to young therapists including the importance of maintaining balance in your life. In the final moments, Scott gives details about the model and the techniques he uses in his sessions.

Nov 8, 2019 • 42min
Episode 18: Fred Piercy
Fred P. Piercy, PhD, is professor and head of the Department of Human Development at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Dr. Piercy has won both national and university teaching awards. He has written over 160 published articles, 5 books, and 35 funded grants. Dr. Piercy served as the editor of the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy from 2012-2017. In this episode, Dr. Piercy discusses how he first gained interest in the profession and what led him to be an MFT. He begins with his journey into Academia and his favorite thing he has ever written. Fred explains how research shaped the MFT field over the years and the future of doctoral education. Lastly, he talks about the many lessons that he has learned from his students.

Oct 25, 2019 • 47min
Episode 17: Toni Zimmerman: Advances in MFT Profession
Dr. Toni Zimmerman is an expert on all things AAMFT Supervision. She has directed the CSU Family Therapy program for almost 25 years. She has won many awards in her academic career and she is a staple in the Fundamentals of Supervision training program at AAMFT. Eli sits down with Toni to discuss the trends in MFT Supervision and her impact in the field. She first discusses her origin story and some of the biggest changes in the field since she started, including a discussion about video supervision. She gives advice to supervisees on how to have difficult conversations with their supervisor when there may be an issue. And she provides tips on how to interview potential Supervisors.Lastly, Toni goes into to details about the AAMFT Approved Supervisor Designation and how it excels over other programs.

Oct 11, 2019 • 54min
Episode 16: Guy Diamond: Attachment Based Family Therapy
Guy Diamond is the Professor Emeritus at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine and Associate Professor at Drexel University in the College of Nursing and Health Professions. Along with his co-authors, Drs. Gary Diamond and Suzanne Levy, Dr. Diamond has written the first book on ABFT, Attachment-Based Family Therapy for Depressed Adolescents. In this episode, Eli chats with Guy about how he discovered attachment styles and how he would describe his own attachment style based on his family origin. Guy dives into the biggest eye openers and challenges that he faced when he began his career. He then discusses his research findings and how it has benefited the field. Lastly, Guy Diamond talks about his projects and what he hopes to contribute to the future of the field.

Sep 27, 2019 • 1h
Episode 15: Terry Real
Terry Real is the founder of the Relational Life Institute, a family therapist and teacher for 30 years, and an author of many popular books including his breakout book “I Don’t Want to Talk About It”. In this episode, Terry discusses how his family dynamics led him to pursue therapy and details how his father and other life experiences brought him to working with men specifically facing mental health issues. He also discusses the three types of narcissism that are attributed to men and the ways to disarm them. In the last moments, he discusses his shift to couples and where he thinks the field of couple therapy is headed. Finally, he discusses how he wants to be remembered in the field.

Sep 12, 2019 • 53min
Episode 14: Ben Caldwell: Saving Psychotherapy
Dr. Ben Caldwell is part of the faculty at California State Northridge, an author of five books, and the chair of the Legislative and Advocacy Committee for the California division of AAMFT.In a discussion about advocacy and his thoughts on the MFT profession, Eli and Ben talk about his origin story as an MFT and how he started his work in advocacy. He expresses why advocacy should be important to students and young professionals, and discusses how MFTs can help change the stigma of going to therapy. Lastly, he talks about the biggest changes and trends in the field.

Aug 22, 2019 • 1h 7min
Episode 13: Michele Weiner - Davis
Michele Weiner-Davis is an internationally renowned relationship expert, best-selling author, and professional speaker that specializes in helping people change their lives and improve important relationships. Eli sits down with Michele and discusses her own struggles that made her a better therapist, parent, and spouse. She discusses her origin story and discusses who her biggest influences were in her career. Michele recalls her own personal experience with receiving therapy and the benefit that it had on her career. Lastly, Michele discusses some of the new programs and books she has coming out that address infidelity in couples.

Aug 9, 2019 • 50min
Episode 12: Diane Gehart: Mindful MFT
Diane Gehart is a professor of Marriage and Family Therapy at California State University Northridge and has practiced psychotherapy for over 15 years. Eli sits down with Diane to discuss mindfulness and the benefits it has in the MFT field. She discusses her career journey and how mindfulness played a part in her career. She provides her definition of mindfulness and differentiates it from other approaches like “flow”. Diane also discusses her approach to teaching mindfulness to her students and their reaction to this approach. Lastly, Diane talks about her thoughts on the future of mindfulness and how it should continue to be integrated in the field.

Jul 26, 2019 • 57min
Episode 11: Monica McGoldrick
Dr. Monica McGoldrick is the Co-Founder and Director of the Multicultural Family Institute. She is also the author of many popular books, including “Genograms: Assessment and Intervention,” and "Women in Families," just to name a few! In this episode, Eli sits down with Monica to discuss her life, her journey, and her many accomplishments as a family therapist. Listen in as Monica discusses her career journey, from finishing her degree in Russian Studies to being known as a pioneer in the field. She also discusses her process of writing her widely popular Genogram book and her collaboration on expanding the Family Life Cycle framework. Finally, Monica will discuss her views on the evolution of the field and how she views her personal legacy.