
The AAMFT Podcast
The AAMFT Podcast is an all-access pass to the latest news, developments, and thought leaders in the world of systemic therapy. Hosted by Dr. Eli Karam, it strives to relate, educate, and innovate one episode at a time. The episodes explore topics that relationship-based therapists care about, and features unique conversations and interviews with established experts. The show provides information and education on direct practice and emerging trends in the MFT profession.
Latest episodes

Jan 24, 2025 • 48min
Episode 120: Ron Levant
In this episode, Eli sits down with Dr. Ronald Levant to discuss normative male alexithymia and how he uses Alexithymia Reduction Treatment (ART) to support his clients in their therapy journey.

Jan 10, 2025 • 1h 10min
Episode 119: Randy Heller
In this episode Eli sits down with Dr. Randy Heller to discuss the similarities and differences between collaborative divorce and traditional divorce mediation.

Dec 13, 2024 • 51min
Episode: 118 Devin Hussong
In this episode, Eli sits down with Dr. Devin Hussong to talk about integrating humor into the practice of systemic therapy.

Nov 8, 2024 • 42min
Episode: 117 Kristina S. Brown
Kristina S. Brown, editor of the AAMFT Systemic Ethics Textbook and professor at Adler University, dives into the evolving landscape of ethics in therapy. She shares her transformative journey and the impact of COVID-19 on ethical practices. The discussion highlights innovative teaching methods using popular media, such as 'Ted Lasso,' to explore real-world ethical dilemmas. Kristina emphasizes the importance of ongoing education and community support for therapists, showcasing an upcoming ethics competition designed to engage the field.

Oct 25, 2024 • 51min
Episode: 116 Kat Hertlein
During this episode, Eli sits down with Dr. Kat Hertlein for a discussion about using AI tools to supplement systemic therapy. Tune in to hear Dr. Hertlein explore the benefits and risks of using AI in mental health, including potential data privacy and security issues.

Oct 11, 2024 • 48min
Episode: 115 Rebecca A. Cobb
In this episode, Eli sits down with Dr. Rebecca A. Cobb, the editor of the new book -The Therapist’s Notebook for Systemic Teletherapy: Creative Interventions for Effective Online Therapy – to explore innovative strategies and ways to adapt in-person therapy interventions for telehealth.

Sep 27, 2024 • 50min
Episode 114: Shay Thomas DMFT, LMFT and Paul Hokemeyer J.D., Ph.D.
In this engaging episode, Eli hosts a discussion with Dr. Paul Hokemeyer and Shay Thomas, DMFT, LMFT. They delve into the ways in which marriage and family therapists negotiate and make use of various media opportunities.

Sep 13, 2024 • 41min
Episode 113: Janina Fisher
In this episode, Eli and Dr. Janina Fisher discuss a new way of thinking about shame from a neurobiological perspective—as a survival strategy driving somatic responses of automatic obedience and total submission.

Aug 23, 2024 • 42min
Episode 112: Christie Eppler
In this episode, Eli sits down with Christie Eppler, PhD, LMFT, to talk about her new book, “Cultivating Systemic Resilience in Therapy.” During this conversation, they discuss how to foster resilience in clinical treatment with individual and relational clients, supervisees, and in the therapist’s own life.

Aug 9, 2024 • 1h 9min
Episode 111: Max Zubatsky, PhD, LMFT, Tai Mendenhall, PhD, LMFT, & Jessica Goodman, PhD, LMFT
In this episode, Eli sits down with Dr. Max Zubatsky, Dr. Tai Mendenhall, and Dr.Jessica Goodman to discuss their perspectives and experiences as supervisors of systemic therapists at all levels of training.