

Public Defenseless
Hunter Parnell
Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system is perpetuating cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people simply trying to get through another day.
Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system.
Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.
Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system.
Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.
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Oct 29, 2025 • 1h 29min
411 | How Private Criminal Defense Lawyers Are Trying to Solve Colorado's Rural Attorney Shortage Crisis w/Kristin Ladd, Mesa Anderson, and Blue Daniels
Today, Hunter spoke with three amazing guests from Colorado's Office of Alternate Defense Counsel. Kristin Ladd, Blue Daniels, and Mesa Anderson joined the show to discuss the Greater Colorado Fellowship. This program aims to place lawyers in rural parts of the state to serve as private criminal defense lawyers who handle public defender cases. Guest: Kristin Ladd, Attorney Development Coordinator, Office of Alternate Defense Counsel, Colorado Mesa Anderson, Greater Colorado Fellow, Western Slope of Colorado Blue Daniels, Greater Colorado Fellow, Durango, Colorado Resources: Find More About the Program Here https://www.coloradoadc.org/public-information/greater-colorado-programs Email the Guests Blue Daniels blue@coloradoadc.com Kristin Ladd kristin@coloradoadc.com Mesa Anderson mesa@coloradoadc.com Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 28, 2025 • 1h 3min
410 | How to Meet the Needs of Incarcerated Women w/Emily Salisbury
In this conversation, Hunter Parnell speaks with criminologist Emily about the unique challenges faced by justice-involved women. They discuss the importance of culturally competent tools and resources, the need for gender-specific risk assessment tools, and the impact of trauma and domestic violence on women's pathways to crime. Emily emphasizes the necessity of individualized approaches in the criminal justice system and the importance of listening to the voices of those affected. The conversation also touches on the rising incarceration rates of women and the need for diversion programs to address these issues effectively. Guest: Emily Sailsbury PhD, Professor, University of Utah college of Social Work Resources: Find Emily's Work Here https://profiles.faculty.utah.edu/u6030672 Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 23, 2025 • 1h 5min
409 | How Will Maryland Public Defense Handle It's Workload Crisis and a Slate of New Criminal Law Policies w/Natasha Dartigue
Today, Hunter spoke with Natasha Dartigue, the Chief Public Defender of the Maryland Office of Public Defense. This time, Natasha and Hunter spoke about the workload crisis facing the state and a slate of new criminal legal policies that are pushing Maryland in a better direction. Guest: Natasha Dartigue, Chief Public Defender, Maryland Resources: Maryland Public Defender https://opd.state.md.us/ Immigration (both bills passed and went into effect 6/1/25): Sensitive locations: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/sb0828 MD Values Act: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb1222 National workloads: Annual report: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/8cb54c_7eabe4b48b944b209533fe9f6332605b.pdf Youth Justice: Last year's bill to limit the automatic charging of children as adults (did not pass): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/sb0422 Our one-pager on the issue: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/8cb54c_9460bce1042a4eecbcba1b7e17e6f715.pdf Second Look Act (goes into effect 10/1/25): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb0853 Parental Defense: Know Before They Knock bill (did not pass): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb0223 Preventing Harm of Separation one-pager: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/868471_3f9ec04e1aa449669a307ea0fbd471c6.pdf Know Before They Knock 1-pager: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/868471_840039a4932143ee927752745c619647.pdf Safer Traffic Stops: SB292/HB635 (did not pass): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/sb0292 One-pager on SB292: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/8cb54c_880a090626d046f0a536bd4ea12ebcaa.pdf Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 21, 2025 • 1h 26min
408 | How Georgia's New "Tough on Crime" Laws Could Make Communities Even Less Safe w/Blake Feldman
Today, Hunter was joined by the Southern Center for Human Right's Blake Feldman. Hunter and Blake walked through a handful of criminal legal policy changes that recently went into effect in Georgia. Unfortunately, the state continues it's tough on crime approach that may ultimately lead to more kids in adult court, more adults serving mandatory minimums, and the state further trying to incarcerate it's way out of societal issues. Guest: Blake Feldman, Senior Policy Counsel, Southern Center for Human Rights Resources: Southern Center for Human Rights https://www.schr.org/ https://www.facebook.com/southerncenterforhumanrights/ https://x.com/southerncenter https://www.instagram.com/thesoutherncenter https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCApuQiMnBpcuxt-GWx9eF1A https://www.linkedin.com/company/thesoutherncenter/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 16, 2025 • 1h 4min
407 | How Hennepin County has Expanded the Right to Counsel to Civil Legal Issues w/ Jeanette Boerner, Jessica Ryan and Terrance Hendricks
Today, Hunter was joined by three guests from Hennepin County's Adult Representation Services. As has been discussed multiple times on the show, many of the clients that walk into a public defender office have legal needs outside their criminal case. Whether it is in eviction court or family court, our clients often do not have access to counsel in these critical cases. ARS was created to fill the gaps in the access to counsel to ensure people have a fighting chance in their civil legal issues. Guest: Jeanette Boerner, Director of Adult Representation Services, Hennepin County, Minnesota Jessica Ryan, Principal Attorney, Hennepin County, Minnesota Terrance Hendricks, Principal Attorney, Hennepin County, Minnesota Resources: ARS Website https://www.hennepin.us/en/adult-representation-services Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 15, 2025 • 57min
406 | How the Cook County Prosecutor Has Made it Harder for the Wrongfully Convicted to Find Justice w/Dan Hinkel
Today, Hunter was joined by Journalist Dan Hinkel to discuss his newest piece about the Conviction Integrity Unit in Cook County. While CIUs are an imperfect vessel to right the wrongs of a wrongful conviction, they still serve an essential function when they operate properly. The problem is since Eileen O'Neill Burketook over as the new State Attorney in Cook County the CIU hasn't exonerated a single person. Dan joins the show to help us understand how that has happened. Guest: Dan Hinkel, Senior Reporter, Injustice Watch Resources: Find Dan's Work Here https://www.injusticewatch.org/author/danhinkel/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 14, 2025 • 1h 1min
405 | How The Miami Public Defenders Got Their Workloads Under Control w/Carlos Martinez
Today, Hunter was joined once again by Carlos Martinez, Chief Public Defender in Miami Dade County. This time, Carlos joined to explain the tech innovations he implemented to get workloads under control, how immigration enforcement is impacting their practice, and the danger of the state pursuing more capital cases. Guest: Carlos Martinez, Chief Public Defender, Miami-Dade County, Florida Resources: Contact OPD Here https://www.pdmiami.com/public-defender/home.page Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 10, 2025 • 2h 23min
404 | How Enforcing Workload Standards Changed the Culture and the Future of Montana Public Defense
Today, Hunter was joined by several amazing public defenders from the Montana Public Defender System. Each one of them joins the show to talk about the truly transformative effects that workload limits have had on the system, what they hope to see continue to improve in the system, and how the work is finally sustainable because they have enforced workload standards. Guest: Brett Schandelson, Chief Public Defender, Montana Office of the State Public Defender David Carter, Managing Attorney, Polson, Montana Office of the State Public Defender Natasha Fernando, Managing Attorney, Billings Conflict Division, Montana Office of the State Public Defender Clair Lettow, Managing Attorney, Great Falls, Montana Office of the State Public Defender Nick Aemisegger, Managing Attorney, Kalispell, Montana Office of the State Public Defender Jeavon Lang, Managing Attorney, Appellate, Montana Office of the State Public Defender Qasim Abdul Baki, Public Defender, Montana Office of the State Public Defender Resources: Contact OPD Here https://publicdefender.mt.gov/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 9, 2025 • 54min
403 | Is this the Start of Public Defense Expanding in Mississippi? w/Andre de Gruy
Today, Hunter was joined once again by Andre de Gruy, Mississippi's State Public Defender. Andre joins the show this time to discuss a new pilot program that aims to provide rural communities full time public defenders. Andre hopes that this programs can be the start of Mississippi finally taking its obligations under Gideon seriously. Guest: Andre de Gruy, The State Public Defender, Mississippi Resources: Read More Here https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/06/12/mississippi-public-defender-pilot-program Contact Andre adegr@ospd.ms.gov Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Oct 7, 2025 • 1h 5min
402 | Defense Lawyering in the Progressive Prosecution Era w/Jenny Roberts
Today, Hunter was joined by Dean Jenny Roberts of Hofstra Law School. On today's episode, Hunter and Dean Roberts discuss a law review article that Dean Roberts published last year about how public defenders can/should respond to the progressive prosecutors. Guest: Jenny Roberts, Dean, Hofstra Law Resources: Contact Dean Roberts Here https://law.hofstra.edu/jenny-roberts/ Read the Article Here https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4574381 Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patreon www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home


