

Public Defenseless
Hunter Parnell
Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system is perpetuating cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people simply trying to get through another day.
Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system.
Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.
Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system.
Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.
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Sep 12, 2024 • 59min
275 | How NACDL is Helping Public and Private Defenders Fight Back Against New Oppressive Policies w/Lisa Wayne
Today, Hunter is joined by Lisa Wayne, the Executive Director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. In this episode, Lisa and Hunter discuss how NACDL is trying to help give Public and Private Defenders the tools, skills, and policies they need to fight for their clients in and out of the court room. Guests: Lisa Wayne, Executive Director, National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers Resources: Trial Penalty https://www.nacdl.org/Landing/TheTrialPenalty NACDL https://www.nacdl.org/ https://www.facebook.com/NACDL https://x.com/NACDL https://www.instagram.com/nacdl/ https://www.tiktok.com/@nacdlofficial Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Sep 10, 2024 • 1h 40min
274 | Between 46%-99% of Colorado Public Defenders are Overworked. Why is the State Waiting Two Years for Workload Standards w/James Hardy and Kayleigh TenBarge
Today, Hunter is by two Colorado State Public Defenders, James Hardy and Kayleigh TenBarge. When this episode was first recorded, James, Kayleigh, and Hunter were primarily focused on a piece of legislation that the Defenders Union of Colorado attempted and failed to get through the state house. That bill sought to get workload standards in place in Colorado by mid-2025. After recording that segment, an audit of the Colorado State Public Defender dropped, and revealed that at least 46% and maybe as many as 99% of Public Defenders in Colorado are exceeding workloads. Considering that, OSPD has stated they will get a workload standard by mid-2026. But why the wait? What will happen in the interim? What relief will come to an increasingly overloaded system? Guests: Kayleigh TenBarge, Public Defender, Colorado, Secretary, Defenders Union of Colorado James Hardy, Appellate Public Defender, Colorado, Executive Board Co-Chair, Defenders Union of Colorado Resources: Audit of the Colorado Public Defender https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/audits/2354p_office_of_the_state_public_defender.pdf Defenders Union of Colorado https://www.defendersunionco.org/ Defenders Union of Colorado Back Bill https://www.lawweekcolorado.com/article/defenders-union-of-colorado-backs-public-defender-workload-study-bill/ Ethics Opinion https://www.cobar.org/Portals/COBAR/11.07.22/FINAL%20Opinion%20146%20-%20duty%20of%20workload%20opinion(7184264.1).pdf?ver=RVD5XQ5MbrWfJOOOtcABBw%3d%3d) Bill https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb24-1289 Email Kayleigh tenbargekayleigh@gmail.com Email DUC executiveboard@defendersunionco.org Defenders Union of Colorado Instagram https://www.instagram.com/defenders_union_of_colorado/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Sep 5, 2024 • 1h 9min
273 | How the Junk Science "Excited Delirium" Shields Cops From Accountability w/Rachel Kincaid
Today, Hunter is joined by Professor Rachel Kincaid to talk about her recent law review article about the junk science excited delirium. Through her research, we can trace how this science steeped in racism has been able to infect the legal system and provide police a shield for their unlawful uses of force. Guests: Rachel Kincaid, Professor of Law, Baylor University Resources: Read Rachel's Article https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4831202 Professor Kincaid's Faculty Page https://law.baylor.edu/person/rachel-kincaid Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Sep 4, 2024 • 1h 1min
272 | The Challenges of Providing Holistic Defense in Rural North Carolina w/Beth Stang
Today, Hunter is joined by our first North Carolina Public Defender, Beth Stang. Today, we will be discussing all that is going right, going wrong, and what the future holds for Public Defense in Beth's office that covers Henderson, Transylvania, and Polk counties. Guests: Beth Stang, Chief Public Defender, Henderson, Transylvania, and Polk County, North Carolina Resources: Email Beth beth.w.stang@nccourts.org Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Sep 3, 2024 • 1h 5min
271 | How a Person Can Get Evicted for being the Victim of a Crime too Many Times w/Alex Kornya
Today, Hunter is joined once again by Alex Kornya to discuss the intersection between the criminal and civil legal systems. Last time, Alex detailed how fines and fees abuse people in the criminal and civil legal systems, and today, Alex joins us to discuss crime nuisance ordinances and "Crime Free" Housing programs. Guests: Alex Kornya, Litigation Director and General Counsel, Iowa Legal Aid Resources: 2020 story from the Atlantic about this issue and some history: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/crime-free-housing-lets-police-influence-landlords/605728/ HUD guidance on how crime nuisance ordinances may violate the Fair Housing Act: https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/FINALNUISANCEORDGDNCE.PDF DOJ Reinforces Previous Guidance on Crime Nuisance https://www.justice.gov/d9/2024-08/doj_crime-free_and_nuisance_letter.pdf?utm_campaign=justicegrants&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery Justice Department Secures Landmark Agreement with City of Anoka, Minnesota, to End Disability Discrimination in "Crime-Free" Housing Program https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-landmark-agreement-city-anoka-minnesota-end-disability Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Aug 29, 2024 • 1h 16min
270 | What Was Happening in Grants Pass, Oregon Before the Supreme Court OK'd Criminalizing Homelessness w/Jeremiah Hayden
Today, Hunter is joined by journalist Jeremiah Hayden. Over the past several months, Jeremiah has been covering the reality for homeless people in Grants Pass, Oregon. If you are familiar with that town, it is likely because it was the town at the center of the recent Supreme Court case saying it was okay to criminalize homeless people. Instead of diving into the decision, Jeremiah is here to help people understand what it was like for a homeless person living in the town and what will happen now that their very existence can be criminalized. at around 55 minutes, Hunter said the city of Vail paid $26 million to not build affordable housing. The actual figure is $17 million https://coloradosun.com/2023/09/21/vail-condemnation-bighorn-housing-land/#:~:text=The%20Town%20of%20Vail%20will,the%20town%20and%20the%20company. Guests: Jeremiah Hayden, Staff Reporter, Street Roots, Portland Oregon Resources: Street Roots https://www.streetroots.org/ Street Roots Reporting on Grants Pass https://www.streetroots.org/news/archive/grants%2520pass Grants Pass Decision https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-175_19m2.pdf Martin v Boise https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/04/01/15-35845.pdf Gospel Mission Rescue https://kobi5.com/news/grants-pass-mayor-reacts-to-controversial-video-posted-by-gospel-mission-227140/ The Appeal's Coverage on Policies post Grants Pass https://theappeal.org/supreme-court-homelessness-grants-pass-ruling-camping-bans/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Aug 28, 2024 • 1h 8min
269 | How Oklahoma is Giving a Second Chance to Criminalized Domestic Violence Survivors w/Alexandra Bailey
Today, Hunter is joined once again by Alexandra Bailey, senior campaign strategist with the Sentencing Project, to discuss how her and a coalition of amazing activists were able to get a Domestic Violence Survivor Justice Act passed in Oklahoma. Guests: Alexandra Bailey, Senior Campaign Strategist, The Sentencing Project Resources: OK Survivor Justice Coalition https://oksurvivorjusticecoalition.org/legislation Sentencing Project https://www.sentencingproject.org/ Email Alexandra abailey@sentencingproject.org Coverage of the Bill https://boltsmag.org/oklahoma-survivors-act/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/press-releases/oklahoma-survivor-justice-coalition-applauds-governor-for-signing-the-oklahoma-survivors-act/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/newsletter/oklahoma-survivors-act-overcomes-veto/ https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/just-the-start-domestic-violence-survivors-react-to-new-law https://ktul.com/news/local/one-on-one-ok-gov-stitt-champions-the-newly-passed-domestic-violence-bill-survivor-victime-abuse-governor-oklahoma-justice-act Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Aug 27, 2024 • 1h 6min
268 | How the Los Angeles Public Defender Is Bringing Court to their Clients w/Ricardo Garcia and Marcus Huntley
Today, Hunter is joined once again by Ricardo Garcia and joining the show for the first time Marcus Huntley. On today's show, Ricardo and Marcus detail how they were able to get a mobile court established in Los Angeles that brings court to a location that is easier for their clients to access. Guests: Ricardo Garcia, Chief Public Defender, Los Angeles Public Defender Marcus Huntley, Head Deputy of Collaborative & Restorative Justice, Los Angeles Public Defender Resources: Email Marcus MHuntley@pubdef.lacounty.gov Email Ricardo RGarcia@pubdef.lacounty.gov Articles on Community Court https://abc7.com/post/la-county-community-outreach-court-program-life-altering/14834255/ https://lacounty.gov/2024/03/21/los-angeles-county-public-defenders-office-announces-collaborative-launch-of-community-outreach-court-coc/ https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-21/l-a-leaders-launch-new-program-to-help-unhoused-people-navigate-court-system Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Aug 22, 2024 • 1h 2min
267 | How The Destruction of DNA Evidence Might Keep An Innocent Person Behind Bars w/Erica Nichols Cook
Today, Hunter is joined by Erica Nichols Cook, an Iowa State Public Defender and Director of the Iowa State Public Defense Wrongful Conviction Unit. On today's episode, we are discussing the case of Mr. Bill Beeman, a client of Erica's. In this case you will hear about a shoddy investigation, Brady violations, ineffective assistance of counsel, and the destruction of evidence that would exonerate Mr. Beeman. Guests: Erica Nichols Cook, Director Wrongful Conviction Unit, Iowa Public Defender Resources: Drake Law School Wrongful Conviction Clinic https://www.drake.edu/law/clinics-centers/clinic/wrongfulconvictionsclinic/ Contact Erica enicholscook@spd.state.ia.us West Virginia Law Review Article Young Blood https://researchrepository.wvu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6199&context=wvlr Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home

Aug 20, 2024 • 1h 6min
266 | With a Conservative Supreme Court, Do State Courts Offer the Best Path for a Better Criminal Legal System? w/Kathrina (Kasia) Szymborski Wolfkot
Today, Hunter is joined by Kathrina "Kasia" Szymborski Wolfkot from the Brennan Center for Justice. On today's episode, Hunter and Kasia explore a rare area for hope on the show: State Courts. While much of the focus of teaching and discussion about our legal system starts and ends with the Supreme Court, state courts offer a path to meaningful, major changes to our criminal and constitutional legal systems. Guests: Kathrina (Kasia) Szymborski Wolfkot, Senior Counsel, Brenan Center for Justice, Managing Editor of the State Court Report Resources: Commonweatth v Mattis https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ma-supreme-judicial-court/115703895.html New Yorker on State Supreme Courts https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/06/10/can-state-supreme-courts-preserve-or-expand-rights State Court Report https://statecourtreport.org/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN Trying to find a specific part of an episode? Use this link to search transcripts of every episode of the show! https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home


