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Lessons from the Playroom

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Jun 14, 2022 • 29min

Special: Gender Identity & Sexual Orientation in the Playroom

Original Air Date: October 16, 2017 Dustin Baker joins Lisa to talk about sexual identity and sexual orientation in the playroom - a topic not discussed often enough in the field of play therapy. Learn how embracing these topics benefits our clients. After all, children are colorful (and so are we). Here's what you'll hear in this episode: 1:45 Lisa introduces Dustin Copenhefer 2:49 The need for more play therapy resources on gender orientation and identity 3:15 Sexual identity versus sexual orientation 4:15 The importance of multi-cultural counseling 6:10 The importance of staying curious 7:45 How play appreciates the uniqueness of people 8:36 Different is normal 9:56 What does this look like in the playroom? Where can play therapists start? 10:50 How can you let children know that they're in a safe place? 11:40 "All of you is welcome" 12:30 The importance of dress-up items 13:30 What you make available in the playroom is a message to kids on where you're willing to go 15:40  "Knowing" and "investigating" on your part aren't important - allow the process to unfold on its own 17:00 Addressing these issues in adolescence 17:15 The gender abacus 20:15 How can you help create the resources that are needed? 20:30 Working with parents 21:30 How can you avoid assumptions and diversify your thoughts? 23:15 What happens when the parent or parents struggle? 24:10 Why is timing between you and your client so important? 26:00 Acknowledging where the parents are in the process 27:00 Serving as a model for the parent 28:05 Kids are colorful - embrace that color in them and in yourself Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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Jun 7, 2022 • 47min

121. The Topic We Don't Study Enough As Therapists

Lisa has a really special guest joining her for this episode and they’re doing something different today … It’s time to talk about business! - One of the most important topics we don’t talk much about as therapists. And to help Lisa out with this conversation, she has Jen Taylor who’s going to be interviewing her on her business journey.  If you’ve ever wondered about Lisa and her entrepreneurial journey, what it took for her to build the Synergetic Play Therapy Institute or create this podcast, get ready for an insightful and inspiring conversation where you’ll get to know Lisa a little more and get some business insights along the way. Tune in and hear the answers to some very fun questions such as: What was Lisa like as a child and how did this influence her becoming a business owner and entrepreneur? How did Lisa hone her craft as a teacher (...and some tricks she uses to manage the anxiety she has before she teaches or gets on stage- yes she still gets anxious!)? How did Lisa give herself permission to go after her dreams? (and ways you can too!) How did Lisa learn to tackle and work with her fears? How did Lisa reconcile the challenge and conflicting feelings of wanting to be of service and make money at the same time? How did Lisa come to learn about the ins-and-outs of business as a therapist? (...because it’s not something we learn in graduate school) Why does she spend money on learning about business (the same way we do as therapists for training and certifications) and why did she take the same business course 4 times? What was the most valuable lesson Lisa learned as she reflected on some of the biggest unsuccessful business decisions she’s ever made on her entrepreneurial journey?  Plus, hear answers to some more personal questions like: What is one of her favorite business books;  Her biggest pet peeve on the business journey; The worst business advice she’s ever received; and The best advice she would give her younger self now. Listen to this episode and learn insight’s from Lisa’s journey on how to manage some of the learning curves, detours, and clunkiness of having a business, while continuing to stay focused on your dreams as the deepest expression of yourself. And if you want more, join Lisa for The Business of Therapy, a 2.5 day live (and virtual hybrid) course on Nov 11-13, 2022. Lisa is so excited to get therapists in a room to teach them, not only the nuts and bolts of the business of therapy, but the psychology of being an entrepreneur - come learn how to write the book, launch the podcast, start your private practice or take your existing business to the next level! And something we do well as therapists is be in community - rallying around each other, playing, and bringing the conversation of business to life. *Some of you might be very familiar with Jen Taylor. She's done amazing things in this world and to support play therapists worldwide. She’s a therapist, teacher and writer. She originally launched the Play Therapy Summit a few years ago and she's been a previous guest talking about cooperative games. Find her here. Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.  
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Jun 2, 2022 • 24min

Special: Helping Children & Parents When Tragedy Strikes

Original Air Date: May 16, 2018 "We can't promise to keep kids safe from tragedy, but we can promise to have a plan." - Lisa Dion Tragedy is an inevitability of life, no matter how much we wish it wasn't. No one is immune, including kids. But heartbreak can bring about a myriad of emotions, inside and outside of the playroom. We can't always keep kids safe, but we can reduce their fear of the unknown. Here's what you'll hear in this episode: 1:40 How do we help children who have lost their sense of safety or the sense of safety in the community? 2:25 How do we help parents allay their own fears? 3:24 The importance of not rescuing 3:50 What are some dangers of rescuing the child? 5:42 We can’t always keep kids safe no matter how much we wish we could 6:45 How can we help a child find safety internally? 7:49 The goal of healing is to empower and help the child regain their neuroception of safety 8:50 Why should we avoid making assumptions that people feel a certain way about tragic events? 10:30 Tragedy comes with a full range of emotions, both expected and unexpected 12:18 Encouraging parents to discuss the full range of emotions 12:42 Emotions are fleeting and can change day by day or many times a day 13:20 Parents and therapists must honor whatever feelings emerge 14:20 How do we discover what part of the tragedy is most traumatic for the child? 16:24 Helping a child integrate means avoiding blame 18:00 How do we allow children to access their deeper level of emotions? 18:39 Giving yourself permission to be open to different reactions 21:19 Why is having a plan so vital? 21:45 How can we help parents form this plan? 22:50 How do we maximize the sense of safety? Episode resource: Tragedy: Why No One-Emotion-Fits-All Blog Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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May 24, 2022 • 46min

120. Bonnie Goldstein: Sensorimotor Psychotherapy with Children

Another amazing guest is joining Lisa Dion for this Lessons from the Playroom episode - Dr. Bonnie Goldstein. As a faculty member at Pat Ogden’s Sensorimotor Psychotherapy Institute, she’s taken Sensorimotor Psychotherapy and applied it to children* …. Fun story - Bonnie and Lisa had a random (but not random 😉) meeting in Melbourne, Australia in 2019 at the Australian Childhood Foundation's world-renowned trauma conference. They both found themselves at the same dinner one night, and by the end, the two were cuddled up, holding hands and laughing - it was an immediate “Hi! I like you”- connection ✨ Join Bonnie and Lisa as they talk about how to bring the body more into your therapy practice to empower your child clients. You’ll hear: How to utilize your own sense of self in your work with clients through embedded relational mindfulness techniques; How the body influences the mind and how mindfulness and mind-body awareness come together to shift a client's narrative; How to bring in collaborative curiosity into your therapeutic work with children;  Different techniques to help clients get into their bodies after experiencing trauma including the "choo-choo train" activity;  How to read the client's story through the aliveness of the body; and How to more accurately attune to your body to then be able to attune to your client's body as the most important "toy" in the room. Throughout, you’ll hear so many client stories that will really help give you a sense for how you can bring sensorimotor work into your therapeutic practice. And you’ll also get to meet Bonnie's co-therapist who helps her out in some of her client sessions. 💕 *The focus of Dr. Bonnie Goldstein’s work is to foster and heal relationships through  the lens of attachment theory, somatic and mindful awareness, and the dynamic interaction of group psychotherapy. Dr. Goldstein is the founder/director of the Lifespan Psychological Center and a faculty member at the Sensorimotor Psychotherapy Institute. She’s authored and co-authored several publications over the years and, what’s really cool is that she has a manuscript right now at Norton Publishing where she and Pat Ogden wrote a book on Sensorimotor Psychotherapy with Children. Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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May 10, 2022 • 42min

119. Felicia Carrol: A Conversation with One of the Pioneers & Experts of Gestalt Play Therapy

This next Lessons from the Playroom topic is near and dear to Lisa's heart as she is a Certified Gestalt Therapist and Gestalt is one of the root theories of Synergetic Play Therapy. And not only is the topic important to Lisa, but so is her guest.  She is one of the Gestalt Play Therapy experts on the planet.  Yes, we’re talking about Felicia Carrol.  Felicia Carrol is a LMFT, RPT-S, and founder/director of the West Coast Institute for Gestalt Therapy with Children and Adolescents - she is an international educator and the list of countries where she has done training would take the entire podcast to share. She's published several chapters and articles to support the play therapy field. Felicia was also a direct student and dear friend of Violet Oaklander who passed away in 2021.   Join Lisa and Felicia in a most grounding and heartfelt conversation where you’ll:  Hear the background story of Gestalt Play Therapy including Violet Oaklander's amazing contributions to the field of play therapy; Become familiar with the wisdom of Gestalt Play Therapy, it's paradigm, and the 4 Pillars that Violet Oaklander created to form its structure; Discover (or rediscover) some often overlooked and powerful concepts that you might not be including in your therapy practice such as "being for” your client, the "self-nurturing" technique, and the benefit of establishing a dialogic relationship with your client; Learn one of the biggest misconceptions for Gestalt Play Therapy, as well as in the field of play therapy that continues to prevail today (hint: it’s about directive vs. non-directive modalities); Hear some personal and professional stories about Violet Oaklander - Get to know this lovely human being that made such an impactful difference in the play therapy field! This podcast is dedicated to Violet Oaklander who took her final breath on September 21, 2021 at the age of 94. She was a child and adolescent therapist known for her method of integrating Gestalt Therapy theory and practice with play therapy. She wrote the groundbreaking book, "Windows to Our Children," which put the play therapy world on its side.  Listen to today's episode and come back to your roots as a play therapist. Thank you, thank you, thank you Felicia! * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.  * 💜Join our Newsletter💜 https://linktr.ee/synergeticplaytherapy * Follow Lisa Dion and the Synergetic Play Therapy Institute on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. Lisa Dion’s Book, Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach for Integrating Extremes is available in English, Spanish and on Audible.  *Find more information and free resources to support you on your play therapist journey at https://synergeticplaytherapy.com/ * Interested in APT Approved CE credits and courses delivered to your living room? Take a look at all our play therapy training, available on our learning website:  https://learn.synergeticplaytherapy.com/
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Apr 26, 2022 • 26min

118. How Trying to be Calm Gets in the Way of Regulation

In this Lessons from the Playroom podcast, Lisa clarifies one of the biggest misconceptions out there right now for parents and therapists - that regulation means being CALM. ...You’ve likely heard the idea that a child needs a calm adult in order to regulate - that in order to regulate, the adult needs to be and stay calm - or that an adult's "calm" presence is the answer to regulating a child when they are dysregulated. But if you’ve ever tried to truly stay calm when a child is activated, screaming, throwing a tantrum, doing something scary, or even shutting down and withdrawing, you know that it's actually really hard to be or stay calm (... nearly impossible) because inside you’re likely feeling your own activation and states of dysregulation.   So what do we do instead? ....  Join Lisa is this discussion and learn: What regulation is and what it isn't (defining regulation in relation to the autonomic nervous system); How to access our ventral state in the midst of a child's dysregulation; What regulation (and co-regulation) really looks like in the moment (... hint: it's not to calm them down or try to look calm as the adult to calm them down); Why regulation is not better than dysregulation (calm is not better than mad or anxious for example) - it's all information and both are necessary for integration and learning how to regulate; How the impulse to get a child to "calm down" has very little to do with the child and everything to do with us and our inability in the moment to access our ventral state; The key to not setting ourselves up for shame and helplessness as parents/caregivers and therapists when our children or child clients are dysregulated, flooded, and overwhelmed;  A new definition of emotional intelligence and a new way to cultivate emotional intelligence for children by helping them connect to themselves and access their ventral in the midst of all that activation.  Let's put the word "calm" in the drawer for a little while ... Not forever because calm is an important state of the nervous system and just as important as all the other ones ... But just for a little while because we've become overly attached to the word...  … And consider replacing "calm" with the word "connect." - To connect to ourselves in our own moments of dysregulation and when we're with a child that is starting to get activated and dysregulated. And next time we read or hear something that says a child needs a calm adult when they're having a hard time or are dysregulated, pause for a second and understand that what a child really needs is an adult that can connect to ventral, to themselves, be honest about their internal experience, not need to runaway from it, but knows how to be in it without losing themselves - not for the adult to pretend they are calm when inside they're having a really challenging time.  Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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Apr 12, 2022 • 40min

117. Paris Goodyear-Brown: How to Hold “Hard Stories” in Play Therapy

Lisa Dion met her next guest at her very first APT conference. She was doing a presentation on supervision. As Lisa sat in her course, she remembers thinking, “Who is this woman?! Wow!” She was so captivated by her and her teaching.  And today, Lisa is delighted to be joined by Paris Goodyear-Brown, the creator of the TraumaPlay™ model, the founder and Clinical Director of Nurture House, and the Executive Director of the TraumaPlay™ Institute. She is an internationally renowned speaker, a prolific author, and a master clinician. Join them as they talk about how holding hard stories can be complicated, challenging, and at times confusing especially when your own stuff as a therapist comes up … Because in a sense, we’re all dedicated (... probably not consciously) to a lifelong inner-process and journey of self reflection and discovery as a way of being in service to others …  Learn more about how knowing many play therapy modalities helps you to be able to say "yes, yes, and yes" to all the clients that walk in your doors;  How to hold both your client's stories and your own stories in connected, fun and compassionate ways; Learn more about TraumaPlay and this beautiful idea of the "cascade of care" and the "Play Therapist Pallett" technique as ways to mitigate hearing hard stories;  Ways to practice self-care as a therapist and "detox" the trauma energy after a session;  How to help parents/caregivers hold their own and their child's hard stories, especially when grief and gratitude doesn't go hand-in-hand. Listen to today's episode and discover not only how to show up for yourself and your clients in ways that are connected and compassionate, but a way of walking alongside your clients as they “tell” their hard stories. Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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Mar 29, 2022 • 45min

116. Liliana Baylon: Expand Your Cultural Lens When Working with Immigrants & Refugees

Join Lisa Dion for a most beautiful and eye-opening (and, unfortunately, so relevant to what’s happening in the world right now) conversation with someone very dear to her about understanding the experience of immigrants and refugees.  Liliana Baylon is a bilingual (English-Spanish), bicultural therapist and Synergetic Play Therapist/Supervisor. And today she talks with Lisa about understanding the experience of immigrant and refugee families, and some really important things to be aware of that will widen your cultural lens and shape how you work with your clients.  Liliana will share insights from her own journey, as well as how this has led to her interest and niche in treating couples and children who have experienced trauma/abuse and multicultural issues from an attachment lens. Here’s what you’ll hear in Lisa’s conversation with Liliana… Understand the experience and challenges of immigrants and refugees; How to support immigrant and refugee clients with a process of grieving - becoming aware of their journey, perceived challenges, and giving language to organize what they are going through (e.g., their emotions, needs and hopes); Understand the nervous system experience of immigrants/refugees and what it means for their identity and their internal/external sense of safety; Learn the perceptions of immigrants and refugees from the SPT concept of the 4 threats to the brain - physical safety, perceptions of the unknown, incongruence in the environment, and shoulds/unmet expectations; How to hold the family when there has been intergenerational disruptions and support them in repairing the ruptures and coming back together;  Understand the crisis that an immigrant or refugee is faced with regarding their "global perspective" - their view of self, view of others, and view of the world; and  How to hold space for clients with the intention of helping them answer the questions: “Who am I?”, “What do I want?”, “What is important to me?”, “What are my values?”,  and “How can I be myself in my many worlds/cultures?”  As you listen, you’re invited to pause and notice what comes up for you ... Noticing moments where you might feel a need to advocate, fix, or rescue ... And if you do, consider, as Liliana shares, what possibly might we be taking away from our clients including how this may impact their journey to empowerment - wow, just so powerful! Listen to today's episode and expand your cultural lens when working with immigrant and refugee clients/families - Take what Liliana shares and become a bit more sensitive, aware, and curious, as well as feel more resourced with your clients when normalizing and speaking to what the experience might have been for them.  *Liliana Baylon holds a Master's Degree of Science in Counseling/Marriage, Family, and Child Therapy in addition to being an AAMFT Approved Supervisor, Register Play Therapist - Supervisor, EMDRIA Approved Consultant, ICEEFT Certified EFT Therapist, EMDR Certified, Certified Synergetic Play Therapist - Consultant, Completed Level 2 Training in Gottman Method Couples Therapy, AF-CBT trained, and an Independent Facilitator of the Becoming a Love and Logic Parent Way. Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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Mar 14, 2022 • 34min

115. Judy Norman: Transforming Education: Empowering Educators & Students

Drumroll please ….. Lisa Dion and her next guest have a super exciting announcement to make (hint: if you’re a teacher, educator, school counselor or work in any way with schools, you’re going to love this 😍) Join Lisa and Judy Norman, Certified SPT therapist/supervisor and SPT co-teacher as they share the launch of the Synergetic Education™ Institute (https://synergeticeducation.com/). 🎉🙌  ...It's been years in the making as they've both seen the profound impact of bringing Synergetic Play Therapy® tenets into schools to support educators, school-based mental health professionals, and educational leaders. In fact, it's been such a success, Heather Forbes, Founder of Beyond Consequences Institute, "Help for Billy" Author, Speaker, and Developmental Trauma Expert (...many of you may know of her) referred to one of their schools as the most advanced trauma-informed schools she's ever visited! (...wow, thank you Heather 🙏💕). Not only will you learn more about this new Institute and it’s trainings - a real paradigm shift, but you’ll also hear: *Ways to collaborate with schools if you’re a play therapist; How to shift your mindset to help empower educators; The 5 developmental stages of where an educator is at in the process of meeting children where they are at; A reframe on what trauma-informed really means at an education level; How to redefine self-care and help teachers develop a deeper relationship within themselves (SPT-style); New resources that you can bring into your practice today. Listen to today's episode and discover why Heather Forbes believes that what Judy and the Synergetic Education™ Institute is doing in the schools is creating “the most [that she has ever visited. - And she has visited a lot!] advanced trauma-informed school(s)” where every student knows “they matter and are important.” Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.
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Mar 1, 2022 • 43min

114. Liana Lowenstein: Tips & Techniques to Engage Children in the Initial Session

This next Lessons from the Playroom guest gave Lisa the most amazing surprise when she jumped on - it filled Lisa with so much joy, delight and an urge to connect … And this is totally what they’re talking about today - how to captivate, engage, be with (along with what to do), and create a playful connection with your child clients during the initial play therapy session.  Lisa is joined by the one and only Liana Lowenstein. Liana is a Registered Clinical Social Worker, Certified Play Therapist - Supervisor, and Certified TF-CBT therapist who has been working with children and their families in Toronto, Canada for 32 years. She has 12 books (and is about to release her 13th!!) used by mental health professionals all over the world.  Join Lisa and Liana in a conversation about:   How to engage children (and their parents/caregivers) in the initial session (Liana will give tons of ideas, games and activities); Knowing when a child is engaging and what to do if they’re feeling anxious or struggling to connect; How to bring your play techniques, ideas and activities to life in an attuned way for your clients; and The significance of “being with” your client in order to facilitate “the doing” aspects of a play therapy session Listen to today's episode and discover some really, really cool play therapy activities, techniques, strategies and ideas to use with your clients. **And check out Liana’s newest book, Assessment & Treatment Activities for Children, Adolescents & Families (vol. 4) that was just released today - there’s one creative and playful idea after another from so many therapists from around the world - it will fill your mind with so many different possibilities and strategies. Podcast Resources:  Synergetic Play Therapy Institute Synergetic Play Therapy Learning Website FREE Resources to support you on your play therapy journey  Aggression in Play Therapy: A Neurobiological Approach to Integrating Intensity * If you enjoy this podcast, please give us a five-star rating and review on Apple Podcast, subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, and invite your friends/fellow colleagues to join us.

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