Unapologetic: The Third Narrative

Though this is the second episode of our international series, Amsterdam was actually the very first stop on this trip. At the Joods Museum, we sat down with city council members Sheher Khan (DENK) and Itay Garmy (Volt) — two leaders whose politics and identities often place them on opposite sides: Sheher, a Muslim and pro-Palestinian voice; Itay, a Jewish Israeli representative.And yet, in the wake of October 7th, they came together to propose a new kind of politics — one rooted in dialogue. Their joint initiative, “Bekend maakt Bemind” (“To Be Known is To Be Loved”), had been introduced earlier that year in May. Just three days after October 7, 2023, it was unanimously adopted by the Amsterdam City Council. The proposal has since been embedded in the city’s anti-discrimination strategy, with tangible actions already underway — including public dialogues at City Hall and the mayor’s residence, and programs across Amsterdam schools.In this episode, Sheher and Itay speak candidly about polarization, pain, and the quiet courage required to choose dialogue over division — and what a Third Narrative might look like when lived out through local leadership.📅 Coming up on August 3rd: Tier 3 & 4 Patreon members are invited to an exclusive live call with Dana Rentenaar (25), a Palestinian-Dutch political scientist and peace activist and one of the key people behind organizing this event. Don’t miss the chance to connect directly and hear more from behind the scenes! Follow us on Instagram: @⁠⁠thirdnarrative⁠⁠ Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThirdNarrative⁠⁠ For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠⁠uttn.net⁠⁠Thank you for supporting this work and community!Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on April 9th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future, because we all deserve better.

We know it's been a while, and we've missed you! So much has happened since our last release, but we have great news to share soon. In the meantime, we’re thrilled to return with the first of three new episodes in our international series!In this episode, Amira sits down with our lovely guest, Mehra Rimer, in the heart of B8 of Hope to get to know both the person and the powerful work behind the organization. From grassroots initiatives to cross-border connections, Mehra brings depth, compassion, and hope to a moment that calls for all three.B8 of Hope is a Swiss-registered non-profit association promoting peace-building and transformative grassroots initiatives within both Palestinian and Israeli civil societies. “Beit” resonates with the meaning of “home” in both Arabic and Hebrew, forging a bridge between languages and cultures. The number 8 represents the eight co-founders of this extraordinary alliance, whose roots span Swiss, Canadian, Indian, Iranian, Israeli, and Palestinian backgrounds.👉 Click here to learn moreThis episode wouldn’t have been possible without the generous support of Chahut Média, who helped us capture this conversation.🎥 Check out their workWith the Israel/Iran war now under a tentative ceasefire, we release this episode with cautious hope and deep intention. We chose to lead this series with Mehra’s story, and we think you’ll understand why as soon as you tune in.📅 Coming up on July 13: Join us on Patreon for a follow-up conversation with Mehra, available exclusively to Tier 3 & 4 members.🎧 You’ll also have the chance to ask questions, so make sure to mark your calendars!Follow us on Instagram: @⁠thirdnarrative⁠ Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠Patreon.com/ThirdNarrative⁠ For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠Linktree⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠Thank you for supporting this work and community!Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on May 5th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future, because we all deserve better.

After a long hiatus, co-hosts Ibrahim and Amira return with a heartfelt bonus episode, sharing their mixed emotions about the recent hostage release and ceasefire agreement. They unpack the bittersweet reality of this moment and share exciting news about their upcoming event in London on February 6th—a fundraiser dedicated to making Season 2 of the podcast a reality. Tune in for an honest conversation and all the details!Link to event/donation: link.outsavvy.com/uttneventlondonFor more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠

In our season finale, Ibrahim and Amira reflect on a year marked by loss, resilience, and the ongoing struggle in Palestine and Israel. Joined by our Unapologetic producer Evelyn, they take a moment to look back on the stories we've shared, the complexities we've navigated, and the road ahead. This episode marks not just the end of a season, but a pivotal moment of reflection for all of us at the Third Narrative team. We also share a glimpse of the next steps and the destinations we’ll be exploring in future episodes.A heartfelt thank you to our supporters who have stood with us through this journey. Your support means everything, and we need it more than ever. If you haven’t already, please consider joining us on Patreon to ensure we can continue our work and bring these important conversations to a wider audience.We look forward to connecting with you again in the next season, where we’ll continue to dive deep into the nuanced conversations that matter most.Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@thirdnarrative⁠Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠ThirdNarrative⁠For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠Disclaimer:This episode was released on Nov 10, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.

As the one-year mark since October 7th approaches, we sat down with Yonatan Zeigen—father, social worker, and mediator. Yonatan is the son of the late Vivian Silver, a renowned Israeli peace advocate who dedicated her life to bridging the divide between Israelis and Palestinians. Tragically, Vivian was killed in the Hamas attack on Kibbutz Be'eri last year. In the aftermath of her death, Yonatan has continued her legacy, advocating for peace and justice with renewed purpose.We explore his emotional journey, from the deep loss of his mother to his determination to carry forward her mission of building partnerships between people divided by decades of violence. Yonatan shares his reflections on Israeli society, the occupation, and the possibilities for a peaceful future, offering profound insights into the personal and collective cost of conflict. Don’t miss this heartfelt and thought-provoking conversation.Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@thirdnarrative⁠Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠ThirdNarrative⁠For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠Disclaimer:This episode was released on Oct 4, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Miriam Abd El Hay, a remarkable Palestinian woman from Tira. She shares her unique journey of navigating life, identity, and spirituality. Miriam opens up about her multicultural upbringing, the challenges she faced in that complex cultural landscape, and how she has maintained her sense of self through it all. Initially pursuing a career in dentistry, a shift in her path led her to activism and the creation of a spiritual space for Palestinians. She also discusses her experience at the Arava Institute and her research internship on the environmental crisis in Gaza and its regional implications. Join us as she reflects on her life’s transitions, the struggles and triumphs along the way, and the spiritual insights that guide her ongoing pursuit of justice and truth.Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@thirdnarrative⁠Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠ThirdNarrative⁠For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠Disclaimer:This episode was released on Sep 19, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.

In this compelling episode, Ibrahim sits down with Sabrin Masarweh, a Palestinian educator whose commitment to teaching and fostering dialogue in Jewish schools encountered an unexpected and painful challenge. Masarweh's journey took a dramatic turn when she was suspended from a prominent Jewish school in Israel.Her story is not just about one individual but serves as a lens to better understand the intersection of identity, education, and activism.Tune in to learn what led to Sabrin's suspension and discover the impactful work she continues to do in promoting a better future, both in the classroom and beyond.Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@thirdnarrative⁠Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠ThirdNarrative⁠For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠

In this episode, we celebrate Amira's birthday by asking her questions from our audience. Some were personal, while others were more lighthearted to give you a break from our usual conversations. Here's a question for our audience - How has this podcast affected your life? Let us know in the comments. Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@thirdnarrative⁠Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠ThirdNarrative⁠For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠

In this episode, we celebrate Ibrahim's birthday by asking him questions from our audience. Some were very challenging, and others made him blush. Listen till the end to see which ones did what and let us know your thoughts in the comments!Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@thirdnarrative⁠Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠ThirdNarrative⁠For more info on Third Narrative, visit our ⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠ or ⁠uttn.net⁠

Join Amira and Ibrahim as they dive deep into the emotional toll of activism amidst conflict. They candidly discuss burnout, the struggle to maintain hope, and the personal ramifications of constant despair in the peace-building community. The hosts explore the balance between public positivity and private doubts, emphasizing the importance of small joys in overwhelming circumstances. Their conversation highlights the challenges of navigating identity and accountability while fostering a spirit of resilience and connection in chaotic times.