
Ibogaine Uncovered
Ibogaine Uncovered explores the real-world impact of one of the most powerful and misunderstood psychedelic medicines on the planet. Hosted by Talia Eisenberg, co-founder of Beond and longtime advocate for psychedelic healing, the podcast takes listeners inside the personal journeys of those who’ve experienced ibogaine firsthand.
Whether you’re curious, cautious, or considering this path for yourself or someone you love, Ibogaine Uncovered offers a rare, thoughtful window into the medicine, the science, and the humanity behind it.
Latest episodes

Oct 11, 2024 • 58min
William Leonard Pickard: The Rebel Scientist Who Predicted Fentanyl
William Leonard Pickard is a former research associate in neurobiology at Harvard Medical School, Harvard fellow in drug policy at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government, and Deputy Director of the Drug Policy Analysis Program at UCLA. His 1996 prediction of the fentanyl epidemic was published by RAND in The Future of Fentanyl and Other Synthetic Opioids. Also known as the Acid King, Pickard was the central figure in the largest LSD manufacturing case in history. Manufacturing tens of millions of doses with a partner, at its height, Pickard’s lab produced up to a kilogram of LSD approximately every five weeks. He was eventually found guilty at trial of conspiring to manufacture, distribute, and dispense ten grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and received two life sentences.On July 27, 2020, Pickard was granted compassionate release from federal prison 20 years into his sentence. In this episode, Beond co-founder Talia Eisenberg joins Ibogaine Uncovered as co-host.
What We Discuss
Leonard’s introduction to psychedelics
The motivation behind manufacturing such vast amounts of LSD
A different kind of trip: what life in a maximum security prison was like
How Leonard’s time as an underground chemist influences his current work
Predicting the fentanyl crisis before it began
The state of ibogaine treatment: Leonard’s ongoing research
Challenges facing the psychedelic treatment industry
Why It’s Important
William Leonard Pickard’s influence on the current psychedelic landscape cannot be overstated. His commitment to cognitive liberty is balanced with a conservative approach towards how psychedelics including ibogaine should be regulated and consumed. His life story encapsulates America’s fraught relationship with drugs, from his 1996 prediction of the fentanyl crisis, to serving 20 years in a maximum security prison for conspiring to manufacture LSD. This storied background lends to unparalleled insights on the use of psychedelics, and informs his ongoing research of ibogaine treatment centers and retreats.
Relevant Links
William Leonard Pickard’s Bio
The “acid king” prognosticates: 5 Questions for William Leonard Pickard (The Microdose)
The Future of Fentanyl and Other Synthetic Opioids (2019 paper referencing Pickard’s work)
The Acid King (Rolling Stone)
DEA news release: Conviction for largest LSD lab seizure in history (2003)
DEA news release: Pickard And Apperson Sentenced On LSD Charges (2003)
Leonard’s book, The Rose of Paracelsus

Sep 25, 2024 • 49min
Lori Losch: The Importance of Integration Coaching
Lori Losch, a certified addiction recovery and psychedelic integration coach, shares her journey from real estate to wellness advocate. She discusses the transformative power of ibogaine, emphasizing its role in her own healing. Lori addresses crucial steps for preparing for psychedelic experiences and debunks misconceptions around their use in addiction recovery. She highlights how coaching can reshape self-perception and aid in overcoming issues like bulimia, while guiding clients to find freedom and joy in their lives.

Sep 11, 2024 • 1h 3min
Cipriana Quann and TK Wonder: How Twin Sisters Heal Childhood Trauma with Ibogaine
Identical twin sisters Cipriana Quann and TK Wonder have been using their platforms to speak on diversity, inclusivity, and the power of sisterhood for over a decade. Hosts of the Chew on Something podcast, Cipriana and TK are also part of Urban Bush Babes, a lifestyle website dedicated to supporting, encouraging and highlighting the multifaceted lives of women of color. While Cipriana is a former Vogue writer, TK Wonder is a rapper and singer who has opened for artists like Nas and Afrika Bambaataa. Together they have been featured in commercials and campaigns for Fendi, Valentino, Tiffany Co., and Sephora, just to name a few; and are the first two Black American sisters to be on the cover of Harper's Bazaar Netherlands.
As advocates for survivors of sexual, physical, and mental childhood abuse, Cipriana and TK have been very open with their audiences about their shared experience, and the health issues that stemmed from their trauma. Having used sugar as a way to cope, they have rewritten their relationships with food and health. Ibogaine has also been a valuable part of their healing journeys, together and individually.
What We Discuss
Life as identical twins: similarities, differences, and how Cipriana and TK influence each other
Transparency and authenticity: how Cipriana and TK decide what to share with their audience when it comes to trauma and healing
What informed Cipriana and TK’s perspective of psychedelics before being introduced to them as a healing modality
How psychedelics are perceived in the Black community
How people in the psychedelic realm can work to ensure people of color not only have access to but are an active part of building the environment within which psychedelics are more widely available
How they came to realize it was time to implement lifestyle changes around food
How ibogaine has impacted TK’s relationship with sugar
Loving nudges: How Cipriana and TK encourage each other
Integration practices: breathwork, movement, music, and writing
Why It’s Important
As identical twins navigating life together, Cipriana and TK offer unique insights into the importance of transparency and authenticity in addressing personal and collective challenges. Their candid discussions on childhood trauma, their evolving relationship with nutrition, and their transformative experiences with psychedelics, particularly ibogaine, shed light on the complexities of healing. By sharing their journey, Cipriana and TK provide inspiration and practical advice on integrating holistic practices into day-to-day life. This conversation is essential for anyone interested in understanding the nuances of healing, the role of psychedelics in that process, and the critical need for inclusivity in the psychedelic realm.
Relevant Links
TK Wonder on Instagram
Cipriana Quann on Instagram
Chew on Something Official podcast
Harpers Bazaar Netherlands cover
TK Wonder and Cipriana Quann in Masthead Magazine
The Unlikely Professional Who Helped Heal Childhood Trauma (The Cut)
Cipriana’s TEDxFIT Talk
Cipriana & TK Quann, Urban Bush Babes

Aug 15, 2024 • 1h 3min
The Freedom Renegades: A Rap Duo Does Ibogaine
Brothers Naithon and Kris Cook, also known by their stage names, Holistic Meditation and Emcee Monkey D., are a dynamic hip hop duo you may have seen on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. They go by the Freedom Renegades, and they rap about consciousness, but in a hard-hitting style influenced by old-school legends like Rakim and Scarface. In their own words, they are “two brothers on the adventure of a lifetime, making beautiful music for beautiful people.” Well versed in the psychedelic realm, Nate and Kris recently returned from a trip to Beond where they took ibogaine for the first time. To end their 10-day stay, they played a concert for guests and staff.
What We Disscuss
What separates the Freedom Renegades from other hip hop artists
What influences their music
Looking at the lyrics of “One Last Ride”
What it’s like to freestyle for 2 hours a day on TikTok
Nate & Kris’ different expectations and experiences of ibogaine
Being in the same room together during treatment
How they are integrating their experience
How ibogaine has influenced their creative process
Why It’s Important
As the Freedom Renegades, Nate and Kris write lyrics with the goal of uplifting and inspiring listeners, drawing on musical and spiritual influences alike to deliver a message that you won’t find on the latest Billboard chart. Though Nate and Kris are the first guests on this show to have been in the same room together during their treatment, they had very different journeys. Learning about their experiences with ibogaine provides insight into how distinctly personal an experience with this medicine can be, and how one’s creative process might be influenced by a deep psychedelic journey.
Relevant Links
Freedom Renegades official website
Freedom Renegades on YouTube
Holistic Meditation on TikTok
Emcee Monkey D. on TikTok
Holistic Meditation on Spotify
Introducing The Freedom Renegades, a Rap Duo on the Rise

Aug 7, 2024 • 52min
Gary Katz Part 2: How to Identify and Treat Sex Addiction
Certified sex addiction therapist Gary Katz is back for a second episode following a recent men’s retreat at Beond. Gary is the founder for the Center for Intimacy Recovery in New York. He has been trained in a variety of modalities including sensorimotor psychotherapy and EMDR. Gary joins us again to dive back into the subject of sex addiction, this time answering questions we didn’t get to cover in our last discussion, and discussing the retreat for men suffering from sex addiction.
Why Gary decided to become a sex therapist after 20 years in education
Self-awareness: What are the signs that one’s sexual behaviors are becoming problematic?
Denial as a result of shame and guilt
The first line of treatment
Talk therapy: How effective is it? Where does it lack?
Men’s retreat: Why six men joined Gary at Beond in May
Feedback post-ibogaine treatment
The importance of preparation and integration
Why it’s important:
Where much of Gary’s last appearance on the show was dedicated to unpacking the “what” and “why” of sex addiction, this episode speaks to the “how”: how to identify it, and how to treat it. Gary discusses the experience of witnessing six men dealing with different levels of compulsive or destructive sexual or intimate behaviors, who traveled to Beond to receive ibogaine treatment and engage in twice-daily group therapy sessions. How did they come to a place of feeling better? Gary highlights the importance of honesty, accountability, preparation, and integration, and reminds us that when it comes to using psychedelics or engaging in healing work of any kind, we’re all starting at different places and moving at different paces.
Relevant links:
Ibogaine Uncovered: Episode 31: Ibogaine for Sex Addiction and Betrayal Trauma
The Center for Intimacy Recovery
About Gary
Center for Intimacy Recovery: Men’s Retreat
Statistics on Sex Addiction in America

Jul 15, 2024 • 1h 2min
Tom Feegel: Beond CEO and Client #1
Tom Feegel is an entrepreneur, founder and the CEO of Beond. When he and his partner Talia Eisenberg, who we’ve had on the show before, co-founded Beond in early 2022, Tom was the first person to undergo treatment. Since then, he’s witnessed thousands of ibogaine treatments under an ever-improving set of protocols and standards.
What we discuss:
Three unique characteristics of ibogaine when compared to other psychedelics
What “the intellectual’s psychedelic” means
How Tom knew he was ready for ibogaine
Unpacking Tom’s life review on ibogaine
How Tom’s ibogaine experience – and all other subsequent treatments – have informed Beond’s treatment process
The importance of preparation and integration
Tom’s vital spiritual practices
Reflecting on growth and looking ahead to emerging research
Why it’s important:
Tom offers a unique perspective – not just on Beond itself, but on the experience of ibogaine. Combined with his personal experience, the sheer volume of transformations he’s been able to witness provide him with an intimate understanding of how much has changed and improved in the nearly three years that Beond has been in operation. As he describes it, the team’s focus is not on being the best, but on “being the best at getting better.” Tom speaks from his heart, offering reflections on his own experience with ibogaine, spirituality, and fatherhood – and reminding us of some valuable life lessons that can only be taught by children.
Relevant Links:
The Cure to The Opioid Epidemic in America
Psychedelics Treatment for Addiction and Emotional Trauma with Tom Feegel
More on Tom Feegel via the Beond Blog

Jul 2, 2024 • 45min
Vinessa Antoine: When Support Becomes Self-Discovery
Vinessa Antoine is an award-winning actress, filmmaker and writer. She has played roles in various Canadian and American television shows including The Resident, Interrogation, Ginny & Georgia, Heartland, and Being Erica. In 2018, Vinessa made history by becoming the first black Canadian person to lead a dramatic show in Canada. She recently finished shooting another leading role in the dramatic series Plan B, scheduled to air in fall of 2024. She is currently working on a groundbreaking documentary series that challenges viewers to unlearn conventional wisdom, embrace change, and embark on a journey of self-discovery and personal growth.
What we discuss:
Vinessa’s primary motivation for seeking out ibogaine treatment
Expectations of the ibogaine journey
The visual experience: what Vinessa was shown by ibogaine
What it was like to share the experience with a family member
Life pre-ibogaine vs. life now: impact on career, family, motherhood
Vinessa’s experience with the healing and wellness space
Red flags in the wellness industry
Vinessa’s upcoming docuseries: what to expect
Why it’s important:
Vinessa experienced ibogaine treatment at Beond a few months ago, and was primarily motivated to go to supper her brother, who was seeking help with substance use. Her journey proved to be about much more than supporting her brother. Vinessa reflects on her experience, describing the intense visual journey she was taken on by ibogaine and the lessons she learned about herself along the way. She also explains how her treatment has impacted a docuseries that aims to inspire a movement for change and empower individuals to take charge of their own lives.
Relevant Links:
Vinessa Antoine - IMDB
Vinessa’s Instagram

Jun 20, 2024 • 58min
Dr. Dalibor Sames: Why We Need Ibogaine Analogues
Dr. Dalibor Sames is a professor of chemistry at Columbia University, where he runs an independent research program dedicated to studying and developing drugs that induce neuroplasticity. After developing what he describes as “aesthetic admiration” for the molecular structure of ibogaine, Dr. Sames began studying ibogaine and iboga alkaloids, and soon after went on to develop ibogaine analogues as novel therapeutics. He is working to develop these drugs further as the co-founder of two start-up pharmaceutical companies, Gilgamesh Pharmaceuticals (which recently signed a deal to collaborate with AbbVie) and KURES.
What we discuss:
Dr. Sames’ aesthetic admiration for ibogaine
“New chemical entities:” Why create analogs to ibogaine? Do we need them?
The unique molecular structure of ibogaine
Ibogaine’s mechanism of action: how it compares to other psychedelics
How small changes in the structure of ibogaine lead to significant differences in its pharmacology
Oxa-ibogaine: potential safety and efficacy
Ibogaine as a teacher and gate opener
Collaborating with big pharma: Is ‘the trip’ necessary?
Why it’s important:
For as long as psychedelic drugs have re-entered the mainstream, the question has been posed: why spend time and money developing alternatives to psychedelics when we can spend that time and money studying the ones we already use? (It’s a question the host of our show has asked herself many times.) In this episode, Dr. Dalibor Sames makes a great case for developing ibogaine analogues, especially with regard to the cardiac risks associated with the drug. Dr. Sames also describes ibogaine in a way we haven’t heard before on this show, detailing the many complexities of the molecule and explaining how a simple change to its structure (such as swapping its nitrogen indole for oxygen) can have a massive impact on its effects.
Relevant Links:
Dr. Dalibor Sames’ Bio
The Sames Research Group
Experimental Therapeutics, Basic Science and Drug Development (Sames Group)
Gilgamesh Pharmaceutical
AbbVie and Gilgamesh Pharmaceuticals Announcement (May 13, 2024)
Novel Class of Psychedelic Iboga Alkaloids Disrupts Opioid Use

May 29, 2024 • 47min
Gary Katz Part 1: Ibogaine for Sex Addiction and Betrayal Trauma
Gary Katz is a certified sex addiction therapist and a certified partner trauma therapist, as well as the founder for the Center for Intimacy Recovery in New York. He has been trained in a variety of modalities including sensorimotor psychotherapy and EMDR. Prior to opening the Center for Intimacy Recovery, Gary worked in education for more than 20 years. He is also an ordained rabbi. Gary joins us on to discuss sex addiction, betrayal trauma, and the potential that ibogaine has to heal people on both ends of the spectrum.
What we discuss:
What is sex addiction?
What it’s like to live with compulsive sexual behavior
‘Rock Bottom’ when you’re struggling with sex addiction
Gary’s personal experience with ibogaine
What makes ibogaine interesting from a therapist’s perspective?
Defining betrayal trauma
Working with betrayal trauma: how it differs from working with people dealing with compulsive sexual behavior
How ibogaine helped a group of women suffering from betrayal trauma
Treatment options: Standard of care vs. ibogaine
Why it’s important:
This is the first episode of Ibogaine Uncovered in which we discuss a very real (and incredibly misunderstood) maladaptive coping mechanism: compulsive sexual behavior (also known as sex addiction). While this topic may not get as much coverage as substance or alcohol use disorder, an estimated 3-6% of Americans struggle with it everyday. Gary Katz explains what the spectrum of compulsive sexual behavior can look like, how compulsive sexual behavior can lead to betrayal trauma, and the role ibogaine can play in helping both those with compulsive sexual behaviors and those who have experienced betrayal.
Relevant Links:
The Center for Intimacy Recovery
About Gary
Retreat for Betrayed Partners
Statistics on Sex Addiction in America
What is Betrayal Trauma?

May 16, 2024 • 1h
Kevin Franciotti: Can You Use Psychedelics in Recovery?
Kevin Franciotti is a co-founder and the board president of Psychedelics in Recovery (PIR), a fellowship of people in 12-step programs who also have an interest in psychedelics as an aid to their recovery. Kevin has been involved in drug policy advocacy, mental health training and education, and a provider of therapeutic services for 16 years. He’
What we discuss:
How PIR differs from traditional recovery programs
The origins of PIR
Who can join PIR?
Kevin’s personal connection to PIR
Where the idea of using psychedelics in conjunction with recovery originated
What does a PIR meeting look like?Do members of PIR take part in AA/NA?
Common criticisms of PIR
Does using psychedelics in recovery impact one’s risk for relapse?
The story of PIR’s membership growth
Why has the idea of using psychedelics in recovery become so popular?
Is PIR harm reduction?
How PIR fits in with other organizations in the recovery and psychedelics spaces
Why it’s important:
For some, the idea of using psychedelics while recovering from an addiction to another substance or behavior might seem counterintuitive. Kevin Franciotti makes the case for Psychedelics in Recovery (both the fellowship and the concept), using his own journey as a backdrop. Kevin is also realistic about the fellowship: while PIR certainly fits the definition of harm reduction, using psychedelics in recovery does not come without the risk of relapse. The dramatic growth of PIR during and after the Covid-19 pandemic illustrates that although it is beyond time to embrace alternatives to traditional recovery programs, many people still see incredible value in the 12-step framework.
Relevant Links:
Kevin Franciotti’s website
Psychedelics in Recovery website
The early history of Psychedelics in Recovery
Bill Wilson, LSD and the Role that Psychedelics Played in the History of Alcoholics Anonymous (excerpt)
Canada’s rich and complicated history of psychedelic research (Leafly)
Alcoholics Anonymous: The 12 Steps of AA & Success Rates
Oregon takes massive step toward recriminalizing drug possession (Oregon Public Broadcasting)