
The Leader's Journey Podcast
In each episode, we are going to work to give you one easy to understand concept and tell you at least one story that illustrates the concept being put into practice. The concept will be easy to understand, but it will require your very best self and a good deal of practice over time if you are going to implement it.
Latest episodes

May 25, 2024 • 37min
The Misuse and Abuse of Authority - Part One
Authority is inherent in leadership roles, and that inherent authority can be misused and abused. In part one of this series, Jim and Trisha discuss the reality of abuse, the questions surrounding it, and the way leaders are called to respond. Conversation Overview None of This is New Authority is Inherent in Leadership What is Authority and Where Does it Come From? The Legitimate Uses of Authority A Focus on Spiritual Abuse The Impact Outweighs the Intention Responding to the Critical Mirror Conflict and Disagreement vs. Abuse Taking a Victim Centric Approach Get Coaching Find Us on Facebook Podcasts: Power Dynamics for Trustworthy and Transformative Leaders Power Dynamics and Conflict: A conversation for trustworthy and transformative leaders Books: The End of Leadership by Barbara Kellerman Bully Pulpit: Confronting the Problem of Spiritual Abuse in the Church When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse

May 11, 2024 • 54min
Engaging with Artificial Intelligence with Curiosity and Intentionality
In this episode, dive into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence (AI) and its impact on various aspects of life, including leadership, sermon writing, and more. Join us as we explore the innovative ways in which AI is being integrated into everyday tasks and decision-making processes. For this special podcast, Jim and Trisha hear some insightful points from multiple guests on how they use AI and how they have seen it impact the world around them. Podcasts guests include Scott Hescht is enthusiastic advocate for AI integration into various fields, Scott brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the discussion. Scott offers unique insights into the practical applications of AI in different contexts, including in his ministry as the pastor at The Haven Community Church in Spring, TX. Rich Braaksma: is the Regional Mission Leader for Resonate Global Mission in Western Canada and part-time pastor of The Road Church in Calgary, Alberta. Leani du Toit: Trauma-informed spiritual, cross-cultural, and leadership coach with a diverse range of experiences. Nathan Herrington: Founder of Nathan Herrington Coaching, delving into AI applications in coaching and content creation. Tim Rotman: Pastor at Zumbro Lutheran Church in Rochester, Minnesota, sharing his experiences with using AI in sermon writing. Conversation Overview: AI in Research and Ministry Beyond the Information Being Curious and Cautious Using AI in Content Creation Making Connections with Large Language Models Resources Ezra Klein and Ethan Mollick: How Should I Be Using AI Right Now? AI Will Shape Your Soul The Haven Community Church Resonate Global Mission Nathan Herrington Coaching Zumbro Lutheran Church The Road Church Leani du Toit Coaching

Apr 27, 2024 • 32min
The Equations of Ministry: Imagining Beyond the Traditional Church Model
Jim talks with Mike Whang about how his shift away from the traditional church model opened up avenues of ministry that can be limited for those in Christian leadership. Mike explains how working out the equations of ministry, the balancing of values, the realities of day to day life, and the needs of the Church, has been a challenge and a blessing as he grows in his walk with God and leadership position. Mike Whang is an ordained elder of the United Methodist Church. He serves Oikon and Wesley as an extension minister of the Texas Annual Conference. He received his M. Div from Duke Divinity School. His favorite foods are rice, kimchi, and eggs. Raised in Los Angeles, he and his wife, Lisa are raising native Texan daughters of Korean descent. Conversation Overview A Shift in Approach Pivoting From a Local Church to a Ministry Organization Gaining Margin by Stepping away from Sunday Centric Model Integrating Faith with Life The Upsides and Downsides of Change Personal Responsibility as a Follower of Christ Limitations of Traditional Structures Different Paths for Spiritual Journeys Resources https://www.oikonandwesley.org/ Nomads in the Church: The Leader's Journey Podcast with Terry Walling

Apr 15, 2024 • 42min
Playing Politics: Leading in an Election Year, part 1.
On this episode of The Leader’s Journey Podcast, Trisha talks with Mac McCarthy and Nate Pyle about how the election year has affected their congregations and the ways they are navigating that social landscape within their churches. Listen to this first of several podcasts in 2024 as they discuss the unique ways they have each worked with the leadership in their churches in order to guide their congregations to focus on building bridges and communicating with grace. Nate Pyle is a pastor, author, and coach. As a pastor, Nate has served as the pastor of Christ’s Community Church in Fishers, Indiana since 2008. During that time, Nate began learning and practicing skills related to adaptive leadership, congregational revitalization, family systems, emotional maturity, and spiritual formation. He has a passion to see the church become a learning community growing its capacity to navigate difference, hard conversations, and congregational change. Mac McCarthy has been in Christian ministry for over 15 years. As a pastor, practitioner, and coach, he is passionate about equipping leaders by integrating missional theology, spiritual formation, family systems, and adaptive leadership to navigate congregational change. Having served in a variety of roles, Mac is currently the Lead Pastor at Crosspoint Community Church in the western suburbs of Milwaukee where has been since 2008. He received his B.A. from Bethel University, his M.Div from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and is ordained with the Christian & Missionary Alliance. Mac is also a CrossFit coach and enjoys helping people pursue holistic health. Conversation Overview Political conversation in a Systems Context Getting Your Hands Dirty Political vs. Partisan Being a Minister of Reconciliation Conflating Religious Doctrine and Political Politics Anxiety and Emotional Maturity Capacity Building and Discipleship It Doesn't Always Work Core Conviction and Guiding Principles Resources: Nate Pyle on The Leader's Journey 4 Americas: The Stories and the Gospel - Nate Pyle SermonsMac McCarthy on The Leader's Journey Luke Bretherton on Democracy and Christianity Crosspoint Community Church Christ Community Church

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Mar 25, 2024 • 37min
Maintaining Our Boundaries
Trisha and Jim discuss boundaries in personal and professional leadership roles, including managing guilt and staying on your side of the line. They emphasize the importance of communication, creating a culture of healthy boundaries, and the value of pain in establishing boundaries. The podcast explores emotional maturity, working within a broken system, and Christ's example of boundaries.

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Mar 9, 2024 • 44min
Tending Our Boundaries
Discussing the complexities of setting boundaries for healthy relationships, exploring the reconciliation of boundaries with Jesus' teachings, dispelling myths about boundaries, and navigating the challenges of saying and hearing 'no'.

Feb 27, 2024 • 43min
Nomads in the Changing Church
Join Jim and Trisha as they discuss how we as the church can embrace the paradigm shift to a new structure in a church without walls. Their insightful conversation with this week’s guest, Terry Walling, offers a unique perspective on how nomadic believers are truly helping grow the church as they act as disciples within the community. Terry Walling is a pastor, professor, and author of Unlikely Nomads: In Search of the New Church. He has also launched a podcast series in which he has conversations with a variety of people who are in search of a deeper journey with Jesus and with following Him in a different kind of church in America. Key Takeaways: -Moving in an Old, New Direction -The Nomadic Believer -Personal Renewal that Leads to Corporate Change -Apprenticing the life of Jesus -Embracing the Mystery Resources: http://leaderbreakthru.com/ Unlikely Nomads by Terry Walling Canoeing the Mountains by Todd Bolsinger A Non-Anxious Presence by Mark Sayers The Great Emergence

Feb 16, 2024 • 32min
Exploring Vulnerability as a Leader with Jacob Morgan
Join Jim and Trisha as they discuss the concept of being vulnerable as a leader with author and keynote speaker, Jacob Morgan. Listen as they explore how the skill of balancing vulnerability and competency can empower leaders in both personal and professional settings. Jacob Morgan is a remarkable and successful leader,keynote speaker, trained futurist, and author. His most recent book, Leading With Vulnerability, was published last year. Jacob pulls from his personal and professional experience as well as the results of many leadership polls and studies as he speaks to tens of thousands of leaders each year on how to fine tune their leadership skills. Conversation Overview Personal vs. Professional Vulnerability Balancing Competence and Connection The Specifics of Vulnerability Naming Your Emotions The Right Place and Time to be Vulnerable When Vulnerability Hurts Resources The Future Organization Jacob's Substack Leading With Vulnerability and Other Books by Jacob Morgan

Jan 25, 2024 • 41min
Navigating Change and Embracing Values with Pastors Ted and Jess from Evanston Vineyard Church
Join Jim and Trisha as they speak with pastors Ted and Jess from Evanston Vineyard Church about intentional change. Discover how their approach to transformation involves coaching, diverse perspectives, and the formation of clear, shared values. Ted Kim, who has been pastoring and ministering in churches for more than 20 years in Washington, California, New York, and areas outside of the US, is the lead pastor at Evanston Vineyard Church. He is passionate about leading people's hearts and minds toward Jesus. Jess, once an intern, is now also a pastor at Evanston Vineyard Church. She has been a big part of the intentional change and value focusing at the church. Conversation Overview Forming Congregational Values: Ted and Jess share their experience in leading a congregation through the process of forming and embracing core values. Navigating Resistance: The leaders discuss the positive aspects of encountering resistance during the values formation process and how it contributes to a culture of authenticity. Cultivating Team Culture: The importance of team culture values and ongoing learning in maintaining alignment with the overarching church values. Practical Implementation: Simple yet impactful practices, including regular readings of values during meetings, emphasizing the role of coaching in decision-making, and fostering a sense of agency among team members. Real Change in Action: The messy and non-linear nature of change, showcasing the genuine transformation that can occur in a congregation through intentional and collaborative efforts. Resourses Evanston Vineyard Church

Jan 4, 2024 • 29min
Get Unstuck in 2024
Being stuck in problems and situations can be a significant hindrance to your ability to effectively lead and inspire those around you. Rather than move forward, you may find yourself focused on problems that prevent you from reaching your goals. Learn to resolve those situations so that they become a source of growth. Listen in this latest podcast as Trisha, Jim, and multiple other members of The Leader's Journey share their solutions to getting unstuck. Start your new year off with resolving to not allow the muddy moments in life to dictate the way you lead Getting Unstuck Distinguish between technical and adaptive problems. Talk with trusted individuals to process the ways you are stuck and find a solution. Shift the mood. Practice breathing in the silence to embrace and examine your emotional responses. Reject feelings of shame. Create space to pray and listen. Resources Internal Family Systems The Discernment of Spirits by Timothy Gallagher