

Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast
Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine
Listen to the podcast for those who make and drink great beer. Every week we talk to professional brewers and industry experts about practical brewing advice, in-depth coverage of brewing trends that matter to you, and tips for getting the most out of your homebrew.
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Jul 22, 2022 • 1h 8min
249: Andy Hooper, Former Seismic Brewmaster, is Taking Light Lager Back for Craft
Light lager may not be the style most brewers are passionate about, but it’s one that many people drink. Long dominated by macro brewers and beers lightened by corn and rice adjuncts, it’s a competition category that fewer craft brewers have found success in. But for Andy Hooper, former brewmaster of Seismic Brewing in Santa Rosa, California, the beer style was ripe for craft reinvention.
A very technically-minded brewer, Hooper had built out the brewhouse and cellar to allow for a fine degree of control, but the process of dialing in light lager using organic malt that was grown and malted in California by craft maltsters required quite a bit of fine tuning. In this episode, Hooper discusses:
designing a brewery with wastewater reclamation and sustainability at its core
connecting with craft maltsters and modifying stock malting processes for lightness and flavor
committing to minimalist brewing with a focus on ingredients
hot side process and constantly monitoring pH
specific lautering parameters geared toward clean light lager
gentle ingredient handling to minimize any distracting flavors
controlled aeration
developing a nitrogen-based process for breaking up hop cones for fresh-hopped lager
And more.
_Note- after this episode was recorded, Andy resigned from Seismic Brewing, hence the designation as "former" Seismic brewmaster. _
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Jul 15, 2022 • 1h 12min
248: This episode is nuts. Bob Slack and Justin Teff of Pulpit Rock Share Their Adjunct Experience
Bob Slack and Justin Teff, co-head brewers of Pulpit Rock, discuss their process of achieving great results with adjunct-forward and barrel-aged beers. Topics include removing roasted barley, triple mashing, driving 'plushness' through low attenuation, toasting nuts and coconut, matching tank size to adjunct volume, using offbeat ingredients, and more. They also explore the creative process, barrel aging techniques, and infusing beer with adjuncts. The importance of balance and quality ingredients is emphasized.

Jul 12, 2022 • 1h 3min
247: Allagash, Cantillon, and Russian River Weigh in at the Spontaneous Brewing Roundtable
Rob Tod and Jason Perkins from Allagash Brewing, along with Vinny Cilurzo from Russian River, dive deep into the fascinating world of spontaneous brewing. They share captivating stories from the early days of American spontaneous fermentation and discuss the unique sensory profiles of their beers. The trio explores the art of blending characterful base beers, the challenges of aging hops, and the environmental factors that impact fermentation. They emphasize the significance of connecting these artisanal brews to consumers, making for a rich and enlightening conversation.

Jul 8, 2022 • 1h 16min
246: Zack Frasher of Slice Brews West Coast and Hazy IPAs that Rip
Join Zack Frasher, co-owner and head brewer at Slice Beer Company, known for his award-winning West Coast and hazy IPAs, as he dives into the world of hoppy beers. He shares his innovative brewing techniques, focusing on optimizing hop expression and water treatment for IPAs. Zack discusses balancing different malt bases, blending yeast for hazy IPAs, and the small details that elevate a beer's quality. With accolades from prestigious competitions, he reveals the art of brewing that transforms good beers into great ones!

Jul 1, 2022 • 1h 6min
245: Jaega Wise Lowers the Barriers to Making Great Pale Ales and Mixed-Culture Beers
Wild Card head brewer Jaega Wise loves breaking down difficult problems with no-nonsense solutions. An early career in chemical engineering gave her the understanding of brewing mechanics that she uses today to hone processes and simplify the brewery’s approach to beer making, yet she remains constantly pragmatic and encouraging.
In this episode, she joins the podcast on the occasion of the U.S. release of her new book, Wild Brews. Through the conversation, she discusses:
growing up and attending university just down the road from Burton-on-Trent
the challenges of brewing a 2.7 percent ABV, hop-forward, New England–inspired table pale ale
differences in British and American drinking culture
tackling similar hop flavors and body in a nonalcoholic IPA
the delicate handling and food-safety concerns of NA beer
good haze vs. bad haze
fundamental questions all brewers should ask themselves
combining different yeast strains to ferment hazy beers
using dried yeast
making wild beer accessible
working with various fruits
And more.
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BSG (https://go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us) This episode brought to you by BSG and Rahr Malting Co., the home of fossil-free malt. Rahr’s headquarters in Shakopee, Minnesota is powered by renewable electricity. Malthouses and kilns are fed by an electrostatic boiler fueled by agricultural byproducts, much of which is waste from the malting process. By eliminating the use of natural gas, Rahr Malting Co. reduces CO2 emissions by 260,000 tons per year while filling 25% of the US brewing industry’s malt needs. Put the power of Rahr Malt in your beer at go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us
Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): Is your brewery struggling to source or afford berry ingredients? Historic heatwaves devastated U.S. berry crops, causing supply to dwindle and prices to skyrocket. That’s why brewers are switching over to Old Orchard’s craft concentrate blends, which mimic straight concentrates but at a better price point—and with more reliable supply. Is it any surprise that Old Orchard’s best-sellers are Raspberry and Blackberry flavors? Reclaim your margins and order your craft concentrates at oldorchard.com/brewer
Arryved (https://www.arryved.com): Arryved mobile point of sale powers places with personality. Arryved is streamlining business operations for the makers of craft with an all-in-one solution that was built with love by hospitality professionals. No contracts and no monthly fees make Arryved a no brainer for your craft business. Go to Arryved.com, forward slash CBB to set up a free, customized demo. That's A-r-r-Y-v-e-d dot com, forward slash CBB. A different kind of P-O-S has Arryved.
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Jun 24, 2022 • 1h 33min
244: Eric Toft of Schönramer Is Fixated on Consistency, Drinkability, and Character
Eric Toft, Brewmaster at Private Landbrauerei Schönram since 1998, shares his passion for perfecting lager. With a focus on consistency and drinkability, he discusses the art of blending hops for year-to-year uniformity and the importance of working with family-run maltsters for quality. Toft dives into techniques like open fermentation and using decoction mashing to enhance flavors. He also highlights the significance of water treatment and adjusting mash steps depending on barley specs, all while celebrating the craft behind traditional German brewing.

Jun 17, 2022 • 1h 15min
243: Wild Fields Share Their Winning Ways in Everything From Brown Ale to Mixed Cultures
Winning medals isn’t everything in brewing, but it sure can help. Seeking out that external validation from a panel of peer judges is often more frustrating than it is rewarding, but that’s by design. It’s hard to win, and it should be.
For Ryan and Jacque Fields of Wild Fields Brewhouse, their hyper-focus on improving their odds of winning paid off big at the 2022 World Beer Cup, and the young brewery walked away with four gold medals. In this episode, they share some of the background and philosophy behind their competition strategy, including how they choose categories to enter, and optimizing individual beers to appeal to the widest range of judges.
In addition, the Fieldses discuss:
building a family-friendly brewery taproom
the ins and outs of American and English-style brown ale
malt selection for brown ales
optimizing water chemistry to take beers from good to great
employing contemporary techniques such as whirlpool hopping in classic styles
the approach to making funky wild ales that Fields developed at Beachwood Blendery
unlocking the funk with aged hops
building a hop-tolerant mixed culture that develops acidity slowly
packaging for competitions
And more.
This episode is brought to you by:
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BSG (https://go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us) This episode is brought to you by BSG, exclusive distributors of Rahr Malting Co. Since 1847, Rahr malt has been a benchmark of quality and consistency for brewers, from the 19th century through today’s craft beer pioneers. Whether you’re creating classic lagers, resin-clouded hazies, or barrel-aged behemoths, inspired malts like Rahr North Star Pils, Malted Oats, and more are here to make your brewing dreams a reality. Get in touch today at go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us
Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): Supply chain challenges are here to stay for a while, so why not trust the experts to handle freight for your ingredients? Old Orchard has partnered with a leading logistics firm in the craft beverage industry to transport your craft concentrate blends. When you order two pails or more of concentrate from Old Orchard, you qualify for freight quotes from various carriers and can stay up-to-date on the status of your shipment. To get started on a freight quote for craft concentrates today, head over to oldorchard.com/brewer.
Arryved (https://www.arryved.com): As craft beer’s most trusted point of sale system, Arryved is the mobile, all-in-one solution you need to decrease service friction and increase guest satisfaction. With a full suite of craft-specific features, no contracts, and no monthly fees, Arryved provides the necessary tools to help your brewery grow. Go to Arryved.com/cbb to set up a free, customized demo. Remember, there is no “i” in Arryved.
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Jun 10, 2022 • 1h
242: Jos Ruffell of Garage Project and Phantasm Muses on New Zealand Hops, Thiol Expression, and Dramatic Festival Experiments
New Zealand’s population is smaller than the state of Colorado, but country’s exports have had an outsized impact on craft beer over the past decade. From hops such as Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, and Riwaka, to the cutting-edge thiol-optimized Phantasm powder, New Zealand has made undeniable contributions to the flavor evolution of American IPA over the past decade.
Jos Ruffell, cofounder of the Wellington-based Garage Project, has had a front seat for his country’s evolution from craft beer follower to craft beer influencer. An avowed geek whose pivotal beer experience involved Pliny the Elder, Ruffell and partner Pete Gillespie founded the brewery with Pete’s brother Ian in 2011. Their goal was to tap into the creative energy they felt from influential independent breweries half a world away.
Today, they’ve become creative drivers, pushing exploration with their local hops, developing new ways of creating signature Southern Hemisphere thiol-driven flavors, and embracing dramatic service strategies in public-facing events.
In this episode, cofounder Jos Ruffell discusses:
engaging with ingredients as any chef or brewer should
bringing transformational growth to the NZ hop industry through the Hāpi Research center
using less glamorous but incredibly important supporting hops in blends
maximizing for thiols using a variety of brewing techniques
thiol stability and expression in fermentation
phantasm powder and the variety of ways to use it in the brewing process
the entourage effect between thiols and terpenes
the outsized impact of thiol optimization in combination with other hops
considering texture and time in beer flavor experience
And more.
This episode is brought to you by:
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BSG (https://go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us) Support for this episode comes from BSG. Support for this episode comes from Hop Solutions by BSG. The Hop Solutions portfolio is a joint effort between the brewers, hop specialists, and brewing scientists of BSG and the Rahr Technical Center that takes a flavor-first, application-specific approach to hops. Whether you’re seeking biotransformation in a juicy IPA or dialing in a classic West Coast profile, BSG has a Hop Solution for that. Get in touch with the hop nerds at BSG by emailing LetsTalkHops@bsgcraft.com for samples, spots, and contracts.
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Arryved (https://www.arryved.com): Arryved mobile point of sale powers places with personality. Arryved is streamlining business operations for the makers of craft with an all-in-one solution that was built with love by hospitality professionals. No contracts and no monthly fees make Arryved a no brainer for your craft business. Go to Arryved.com, forward slash CBB to set up a free, customized demo. That's A-r-r-Y-v-e-d dot com, forward slash CBB. A different kind of P-O-S has Arryved.
Ss Brewtech (https://www.ssbrewtech.com): From the rotatable pick-up tube on Rogue Brewing's pilot brewhouse to the integrated hopbacks on Sierra Nevada's twin prototyping brewhouses, Ss Brewtech has taken technology they invented working with world-renowned industry veterans and made them available to every craft brewer. To learn more about Ss Brewtech's innovation list, head over to SsBrewtech.com Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

Jun 3, 2022 • 1h 7min
241: Edward Slingerland Argues that Beer is an Evolutionary Adaptation, not an Accident
The human brain is an amazing piece of machinery. It’s uniquely adapted to success in the world we live in, and the result of that success is evidenced by the population spread of humans across the planet. Yet one element of the brain that provides a particular evolutionary benefit—the prefrontal cortex—also has a habit of getting in the way of “softer” tasks, such as building social relationships and creative problem-solving. As tool-using primates, early humans discovered a rather effective way to overcome the occasional limitations of the prefrontal cortex—low-strength alcohol produced via fermentation.
In this episode, author and professor Edward “Ted” Slingerland walks through that evolutionary history, explaining how prior theses about alcohol—that it was an evolutionary mistake or shortcut for the brain’s pleasure circuits, like junk food—got it all wrong. Instead, alcohol has played a crucial role in the development of the human species, allowing evolutionary advantages not enjoyed by other primates by creating space for social trust and creative problem-solving. By down-regulating the prefrontal cortex in managed, time-limited ways, it has allowed us to develop the deep, trusting social relationships necessary for widespread community.
In this episode, Slingerland discusses:
the evolutionary tension in the brain between linearity and lateral thinking
the communal need for social trust
how the standard story about alcohol as an accident that hijacks the brain’s reward network is entirely wrong
the origins of alcoholic drinks that predate organized agriculture
optimal blood-alcohol concentration and the beverages that get one there
the importance of social regulation on alcohol consumption, throughout human history
how beer is an ideal beverage (better than wine or distilled spirits) for promoting the positive benefits of alcohol with fewer negatives
sociological differences between Northern and Southern European drinking cultures
And more.
This episode is brought to you by:
G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): For nearly 30 years, G&D Chillers has set the mark for quality equipment you can rely on. G&D stands above the rest as the only chiller manufacturer that engineers your glycol piping for free. G&D also stands alone as the only chiller manufacturer with an in house team of installers and engineers, with 30 years of real world, field labor experience in breweries, wineries and distilleries. Contact the total glycol system design experts today at gdchillers.com
BSG (https://go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us) Support for this episode comes from BSG. Did you know that BSG sources hops directly from growers and processes them in their FSSC-certified facility in the Yakima Valley? From Azacca to Zappa, BSG’s hops are pelletized for optimal dispersion in the boiler or FV, and packaged in nitrogen-flushed bags to preserve all those tasty and enticing aromatics. To learn more about how your hops go from farmer to fermenter, get in touch with BSG at LetsTalkHops@bsgcraft.com
Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): Is your brewery struggling to source or afford berry ingredients? Historic heatwaves devastated U.S. berry crops, causing supply to dwindle and prices to skyrocket. That’s why brewers are switching over to Old Orchard’s craft concentrate blends, which mimic straight concentrates but at a better price point—and with more reliable supply. Is it any surprise that Old Orchard’s best-sellers are Raspberry and Blackberry flavors? Reclaim your margins and order your craft concentrates at oldorchard.com/brewer
Arryved (https://www.arryved.com): As craft beer’s most trusted point of sale system, Arryved is the mobile, all-in-one solution you need to decrease service friction and increase guest satisfaction. With a full suite of craft-specific features, no contracts, and no monthly fees, Arryved provides the necessary tools to help your brewery grow. Go to Arryved.com/cbb to set up a free, customized demo. Remember, there is no “i” in Arryved.
Ss Brewtech (https://www.ssbrewtech.com): From the rotatable pick-up tube on Rogue Brewing's pilot brewhouse to the integrated hopbacks on Sierra Nevada's twin prototyping brewhouses, Ss Brewtech has taken technology they invented working with world-renowned industry veterans and made them available to every craft brewer. To learn more about Ss Brewtech's innovation list, head over to SsBrewtech.com Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast

May 28, 2022 • 1h 11min
240: Eric Larkin of Cohesion Approaches Lager Expression Through Limitation
Eric Larkin enjoys constraints. Through his brewing career, he’s been drawn to breweries that have set up their own guardrails around the styles of beer they brew—Allagash’s Belgian style focus, or the hazy IPAs of Odd13—and with Cohesion in Denver, he and his wife have fully embraced Czech-style lager. The presentation is top notch, with a focus on foam and a variety of beers and pour styles, but narrowing down the beer approach has given Larkin a tight range to work with in, and that challenge is one he thrives on.
Don’t call them “authentic,” though—these beers are traditional, and reverent, even, but they don’t need to lean on that difficult “A” word to be worth drinking. Instead, the experience of drinking them at the brewery clearly expresses their intentionality. The presentation and care is evident in every pour.
In this episode, Larkin discusses their approach to brewing Czech-style lagers, including:
The importance of dialing in soft water
Developing an under-modified pilsner malt with a local craft maltster
The necessity of decoction, and levels of decoction for specific beers
Adjusting for mash temperature impacts of decoction
Working with lower-attenuating Czech yeast in open fermenters
Whole cone versus pellet hops
The range of possibility within the seemingly narrow style
And more.
This episode is brought to you by:
G&D Chillers (https://gdchillers.com): What if you could chill your beer with a more efficient chiller? The Answer? G&D Chillers new Micro Channel Condensers! G&D’s Micro Channel Condensers are highly efficient in hotter regions, use a fraction of the refrigerant over traditional chillers which provides less opportunity for leaks along with lower global warming potential. G&D Chillers’ Engineers are committed to green technology design, while developing a more energy efficient chiller for the brewing industry. Contact G&D Chillers today at gdchillers.com.
BSG (https://go.bsgcraft.com/Contact-Us) This episode is sponsored by BSG CraftBrewing. Explore a whole universe of hop sensory with unique varieties like Cashmere, Comet, Triumph, El Dorado, and many more. Sourced directly from growers and processed at BSG’s FSSC-certified facility in Yakima to bring you only the very best hops, from farmer to fermenter. For contracting, spot sales, and more info, reach out to us at LetsTalkHops@bsgcraft.com.
Old Orchard (https://www.oldorchard.com/brewer): Supply chain challenges are here to stay for a while, so why not trust the experts to handle freight for your ingredients? Old Orchard has partnered with a leading logistics firm in the craft beverage industry to transport your craft concentrate blends. When you order two pails or more of concentrate from Old Orchard, you qualify for freight quotes from various carriers and can stay up-to-date on the status of your shipment. To get started on a freight quote for craft concentrates today, head over to oldorchard.com/brewer.
Arryved (https://www.arryved.com): Arryved mobile point of sale powers places with personality. Arryved is streamlining business operations for the makers of craft with an all-in-one solution that was built with love by hospitality professionals. No contracts and no monthly fees make Arryved a no brainer for your craft business. Go to Arryved.com, forward slash CBB to set up a free, customized demo. That's A-r-r-Y-v-e-d dot com, forward slash CBB. A different kind of P-O-S has Arryved.
Ss Brewtech (https://www.ssbrewtech.com): From the rotatable pick-up tube on Rogue Brewing's pilot brewhouse to the integrated hopbacks on Sierra Nevada's twin prototyping brewhouses, Ss Brewtech has taken technology they invented working with world-renowned industry veterans and made them available to every craft brewer. To learn more about Ss Brewtech's innovation list, head over to SsBrewtech.com Support Craft Beer & Brewing Magazine Podcast


