
Global Perspectives on Digital Health
Your local digital health ecosystem is a bubble. There’s a much bigger picture out there.
What if you could learn from people working on similar problems in other contexts?
This is the podcast that focuses on real, practical learnings for vendors, researchers and policy folk working for responsible AI and digital health with underserved communities.
Join digital health leader Dr Shubs Upadhyay who has worked across the ecosystem as we unpack the insights of people serving underserved communities with AI and other digital technologies, sharing their challenges and learnings.
Latest episodes

Nov 13, 2024 • 1h 6min
Supporting rural healthcare in India with technology
OverviewWe are joined in this episode by Ruchit Nagar, the CEO and Co-Founder of Khushi Baby. For his efforts to deliver scalable public health impact, Ruchit has been recognized as a Forbes 30 under 30 leader in Health Care, a World Innovation Summit in Health Young Innovator, and a Distinguished Young Alumnus by by the Yale School of Public HealthThis episode covers into the role of India's Community health workers, or Accredited Social Health Activists (ASHAs). We hear from Ruchit's experience implementing with Khushi baby the challenges of integrating technology to support health workers. Ruchit also gives us a lowdown on India's digital public health approach and shares his key learnings and insights for people looking to implement tech in rural areas. We get into the challenges in policy, the data infrastructure layer and the importance of funding for sustainable health initiatives. Ruchit also emphasizes the need for better support and resources for ASHAs, the impact of technology on healthcare delivery, and the necessity of aligning incentives to improve health outcomes.Chapters00:00 Intro03:53 Khushi baby origins05:10 Challenges in Community Health Delivery07:18 The Role of ASHAs in Healthcare12:28 The Need for Integrated Solutions14:14 India public health digital ecosystem 10119:51 When "too much digital" gets in the way of good care22:28 Pitfalls in funding and investment approaches23:20 The 3 I's that drive implementation success31:56 Leveraging Data for Health System Strengthening35:53 Challenges in Health System Integration41:35 Measuring Impact and Effectiveness47:44 Aligning Incentives with Ground Realities53:56 Navigating Quality, Evaluation and Regulatory Challenges56:48 Future Directions for Khushi Baby01:02:02 Ruchit's top takeaway for developersReferencesKhushi baby websiteBook reference: Poor Economics by Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther DufloTB free India 2025Like what you hear? Follow us. I'd love your feedback on what you found valuable, and what you want to see. Comment on youtube, and follow the page on linkedin. Want to share your story? Get in touch.

Aug 2, 2024 • 59min
Impactful digital health transformation through a clear vision and values: insights from Eswatini
Echo Vanderwal, Executive Director of The Luke Commission, leads transformative healthcare for underserved communities in Eswatini. She discusses innovative telehealth hubs using shipping containers for better access to care. Drones are employed to deliver vital medications like antivenom quickly and efficiently. Vanderwal emphasizes the importance of community involvement and building compassion in healthcare staff. She also shares insights on developing local capacity for drone operations and navigating funding challenges in digital health initiatives.

Jul 4, 2024 • 1h 11min
What is the right approach for regulation and evaluation of digital health technologies?
Episode 5: What is the right approach for regulation and evaluation of digital health technologies?In this conversation, Shubs Upadhyay interviews Stephen Gilbert, a professor of medical device regulatory science, about the challenges and successes of digital health regulation and implementation. They discuss the need for flexibility in regulation, the importance of feedback from clinicians and patients, and the evaluation of digital health technologies. They also explore the concept of suites or groupings of digital devices and the need for regulatory approaches that acknowledge their flexibility. Gilbert emphasizes the need for regulation to adapt to the changing landscape of digital health and to ensure that it is fit for purpose. Stephen also talks about what health system leaders, policy makers and developers can learn from the challenges of the DiGA fast track reimbursement framework in Germany, the PECAN framework in France and what is coming in the UK. As well as calling out the stark differences in approach from the FDA and the EU, Stephen helps understand the deeper reasons for the different approaches.On evaluation of effectivenss, Stephen emphasizes the importance of integrating different technologies into a cohesive system rather than treating them as isolated tools. The discussion also highlights the role of regulation in facilitating interoperability and promoting the use of digital technologies in healthcare. A great section on the need for long-term thinking on exactly how we want to transform healthcare delivery, setting clear goals, and continuous feedback loops is emphasized, along with the recognition that digital transformation in healthcare requires investment, embedding and time to get back the ROI. TakeawaysFlexibility is crucial in digital health regulation to adapt to the rapidly changing landscape of technology and healthcare.Feedback from clinicians and patients should be actively encouraged and integrated into the regulatory process.The evaluation of digital health technologies should consider their unique characteristics and the need for holistic assessment.Regulatory approaches should acknowledge the flexibility and groupings of digital devices, such as suites, to ensure they are fit for purpose.Digital healthcare involves the integration of various technologies, such as teleconsultation and remote monitoring, into a cohesive system.Regulation plays a crucial role in promoting interoperability and facilitating the use of digital technologies in healthcare.Long-term thinking and clear goals are necessary for effective digital transformation in healthcare.Continuous feedback loops and monitoring are essential for evaluating the effectiveness of digital health tools.Investment is required for digital transformation in healthcare, and initial costs may be higher before yielding dividends.Links to papers mentioned:Paper on regulation, reimbursement approach: flexible groupingsPaper on regulation, reimbursement approach: flexible suites of technologiesA/B testing framework mentioned hereStephen Gilbert, Professor at the Faculty of Medicine, Dresden University of Technology (Else Kröner Fresenius Center for Digital Health), leads a multidisciplinary team specializing in regulatory science for medical devices and in vitro diagnostic devices. With over 15 years of expertise in clinical research, computational biology, and regulatory science, he is committed to advancing digital health innovation and governance.

May 10, 2024 • 50min
Creating impact with AI in isolated communities
Episode 4: Creating real impact with AI in isolated communitiesIn this episode, Dino, a pioneer in the digital health landscape, shares his insights on how digital solutions and AI are revolutionizing the healthcare industry. He discusses the critical challenges such as overcrowded healthcare facilities and the urgent need for support for healthcare professionals. Dino’s extensive work at Audere focuses on utilizing digital tools to improve healthcare delivery and outcomes, particularly in underserved communities.Key Topics:Digital Solutions for Overcrowded Healthcare Facilities: Dino explores how digital health can alleviate pressure on healthcare systems.AI Tools in Healthcare: The role of AI and language models in enhancing diagnostic and conversational capabilities in healthcare settings.Building Trust and Reliability: The importance of trust in technology, especially large language models, and how it's achieved through rigorous data handling and prompt engineering.Partnerships and Local Collaboration: How forming strong local partnerships contributes to the successful implementation of technology solutions in healthcare.Regulatory Support and Technology Verification: The necessity of regulatory backing in ensuring the safety and efficacy of new technologies.Impactful Insights:Improving access to rapid diagnostic testing through digital tools and AI.Enhancing patient-provider conversations with advanced language models to make healthcare more accessible and efficient.The significance of trust, reliability, and local partnerships in implementing successful digital health solutions.Utilization of specific data sets and prompt engineering to enhance the accuracy and relevance of responses from large language models.The role of specialization and niche focus in addressing particular healthcare and technology challenges.LinksAudere

May 2, 2024 • 58min
Bridging the Gap: The Last Mile of Healthcare with Bilal Mateen, Digital Square @ PATH
Episode 3: How do we meaningfully bridge policy and real impact at the last mile of healthcare. Shubs Upadhyay interviews Bilal Mateen, Executive Director of Digital Square at PATH about digital health challenges and successes in underserved communities. They explore the importance of safety, regulatory considerations, and the need for inclusive data sets and data infrastructure. The discussion also covers the role of community health workers and the impact of AI and large language models in healthcare.Addendum : [As of October 2024 Bilal is now Chief AI Officer at PATH]Key Topics:Digital Public Goods: Exploring how digital solutions can be accessible public goods.Health Data Poverty: Discussing how this issue affects global health equity.The importance of strong data infrastructureRegulatory challenges : Bilal explores some of the work that still needs to be doneAI in Healthcare: Insights on the use of AI and large language models to improve healthcare outcomes.Chapters:00:00 Introduction and Background05:06 Digital Public Goods07:04 How Health Data Poverty Plays Out08:59 Reaching the Last Mile of Healthcare15:47 AI and Large Language Models in Healthcare29:00 Investing in Data Science Ecosystems and Regulatory Frameworks32:59 More Global Representation in Regulation37:03 Considering Local Nuances in AI Deployment39:12 Divergent Approaches to Regulating LLMs45:28 Regulation of LLMs as Medical Devices48:40 Recommendations to Innovators about Healthcare RegulationLinks:AMIE paper by Alan Karthikesalingam et alDigitalsquare.orgAudere WebsiteViamo Canada Call CentreSiontis et al Paper on Diagnostic test comparisons

Mar 14, 2024 • 31min
Health Data Poverty Part 2 with Prof Alexandre Filho
Episode 2: Practical Solutions to Health Data PovertyIn this episode, we continue our exploration of health data poverty, showcasing a team that's making a real difference based on the issues discussed in Part 1 with Dr. Xiao Liu.We're thrilled to have spoken with Prof. Alexandre Filho, a Professor of Machine Learning in Sao Paulo, Brazil. He shared insights on how his team has been maximizing the impact of data-driven technology in Brazil. Prof. Filho's remark, "The world is becoming more like Brazil," sets the stage for a discussion on what the global community can learn from Brazil's approach to data diversity, especially in serving underserved communities.Key Topics:Global Lessons from Local Successes: How Brazil's high-quality, diverse data sets serve as a model for the world.Overcoming Data Challenges: Tackling issues with data availability and the performance limitations of algorithms developed in affluent settings when deployed in rural areas.Leveraging Local Data: Details on the team's work, including a paper on neonatal mortality prediction using routinely collected data.Direct Benefits to Data Providers: Ensuring that those from whom data is collected see benefits from its use.Balancing Impact and Scalability: The trade-offs between highly tuned, local solutions and the need for scalable models that perform well across broader contexts.Benchmarking for Better Health: Extended efforts in the ITU/WHO focus group on AI for health, evaluating the performance of models across different LMIC settings.Advancing Local Impact: The use of transfer learning to enhance model performance and impact locally.Prof. Filho’s Recommendations: Key advice for innovators and implementers in the EU, US, and UK.Guest Bio:Alexandre Chiavegatto Filho is an Associate Professor of Machine Learning in Healthcare at the Department of Epidemiology, School of Public Health, University of São Paulo. He directs the Laboratory of Big Data and Predictive Analysis in Health (Labdaps), which includes a team of 30 researchers focused on developing AI algorithms to improve healthcare decisions.Find the team's work on Google Scholar

Mar 14, 2024 • 33min
Health Data Poverty Part 1 with Xiao Liu
Episode 1: Health data poverty : what can we do about it?Join us as we dive into a crucial conversation with Dr. Xiao Liu, a leading figure in AI ethics, evaluation, and regulation. This episode focuses on one of the most pressing issues in the field: health data poverty. We cover what it is, and how we might go about addressing this. Key Topics:Defining Health Data Poverty: What it means and why it matters for global health.Relevance to Developed Nations: Understanding the implications for the US, EU, and UK.In-Depth Analysis: Discussing a 2021 Lancet paper co-authored by Dr. Liu.Real-world Examples: Exploring instances of health data poverty and its impacts.Expert Recommendations: Dr. Liu shares her views on current progress and the steps ahead.Broader Implications: How can society and the healthcare ecosystem address these challenges comprehensively?Looking Ahead:Stay tuned for Part 2, where we will showcase implemented initiatives addressing these issues in Brazil.Resources:Standing Together Lancet articlehttps://www.datadiversity.org/

Mar 1, 2023 • 1min
GPODH - Trailer
Welcome to the trailer for the Global Perspectives on Digital Health Podcast. Join Shubs as he unpacks insights from experts and innovators creating real impact for underserved communities around the world. Shubs is a physician working in digital health. With experience across product development and deployment, regulation and also with the ITU/WHO focus group AI for healthcare as co-chair of the working group on clinical evaluation Shubs has seen the challenges across the digital and healthcare ecosystem. Join these conversations as he seeks out innovators and experts to unpack what we can do to create real impact for those who need innovation the most around the world. Get a truly global perspective on digital health.