Honoring the Journey

Today we welcome my longtime friend, Nicki Pappas, for a deeply personal and vulnerable conversation. Nicki shares her story of growing up in the Southern Baptist church, navigating fundamentalist spaces, and ultimately deconstructing her faith. We also explore themes of spiritual abuse, self-love, embodiment, therapy, and the journey toward authenticity. Nicki opens up about her evolving beliefs, coming out as queer, and the importance of living a life rooted in love rather than fear. The episode is rich with reflections on family, community, boundaries, and the courage it takes to embrace one’s true self. Find out more about Nicki at https://www.nickipappas.comPoints of Interest:Nicki’s upbringing in a Southern Baptist church and transition into more fundamentalist spaces.The impact of church teachings on fear, anxiety, and self-worth.Experiences with spiritual abuse and leaving a toxic church environment.The role of therapy (especially Internal Family Systems) and embodiment practices in healing.The importance of curiosity, vulnerability, and authenticity in personal growth.Reflections on self-love, boundaries, and letting go of people-pleasing.Nicki’s journey of coming out as queer and exploring non-monogamy.The influence of key figures like Donna Powell and the power of love at the end of life.Insights on parenting, breaking generational cycles, and giving children tools for emotional health.The value of community, safe spaces, and finding peace with being misunderstood.Embracing joy, freedom, and living for the sake of love rather than out of fear or obligation. Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today we welcome singer-songwriter and spiritual explorer Michael Gungor for a candid conversation about faith, deconstruction, and personal transformation. Michael shares his upbringing in a charismatic church, his early success as a worship leader, and the pivotal questions that led him to critically examine his beliefs. The discussion dives into the challenges of questioning long-held religious doctrines, the process of letting go of certainty, and the journey toward a more expansive, love-centered spirituality. Michael also reflects on mystical experiences, the role of ego, and the importance of embracing doubt and authenticity. The episode concludes with insights into Michael’s latest album and his ongoing creative and spiritual evolution.Points of Interest:Michael’s upbringing in a charismatic church and early musical influencesThe role of questioning and critical thinking in his spiritual journeyExperiences with deconstruction of faith and confronting religious dogmaThe impact of meeting people with different backgrounds and beliefsMystical experiences and the search for authentic spiritualityThe challenge of letting go of certainty and embracing doubtReflections on ego, identity, and the process of personal transformationInsights into Michael’s new album "Magnificat" and his creative processEncouragement for listeners navigating their own spiritual questionsFind out more about Michael at http://www.michaelgungor.comListen to his new album! Magnificat: https://open.spotify.com/album/2ZOXZ31WxsvPZ6A99hGjSG Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of Honoring the Journey, we chat with Malynda Hale—a singer, actress, podcast host, activist, and the new executive director of The New Evangelicals. The conversation explores Malynda’s upbringing in a progressive Christian household, her experiences navigating conservative evangelical spaces, and her journey toward embracing inclusive, justice-centered faith. Malynda shares insights on deconstruction, the importance of self-love, her role at The New Evangelicals, and the challenges and opportunities in faith-based activism. We also get a peek inside her music career, the differences between gospel and contemporary Christian music, and her ongoing creative projects.Points of Interest:Malynda’s progressive Christian upbringing and contrast with evangelical college experienceThe role of fear and love in religious communities and deconstruction journeysMalynda’s approach to activism and leadership at The New EvangelicalsThe importance of self-love as a foundation for loving othersDifferences between gospel and contemporary Christian music, rooted in lived experience and traumaMalynda’s creative work: music, film directing, and an upcoming docuseriesThe launch of new initiatives at The New Evangelicals, including courses, advocacy, and community support for marginalized groupsReflections on motherhood, family, and balancing personal and professional lifeLearn more about Malynda and what she's up to at www.malyndahale.com! Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today we are sharing a special, timely episode of Honoring the Journey where Leslie invites Ben Cremer back to the show to dive deep into the challenges of navigating grief, polarization, and faith in today’s divided world. Through honest conversation, personal stories, and a powerful parable, they explore what it means to see beyond our own lenses, embrace empathy, and walk the narrow way of love and compassion—even when it’s difficult.Points of Interest:Ben Cremer’s reflections on grief and naming our painThe parable of the sunglasses: seeing the world through different lensesThe struggle of being “in the middle” during polarized timesMisconceptions about being Christ-like in moments of conflictThe role of fear and certainty in fueling divisionPractical ways to embody peacemaking and compassionThe importance of curiosity, humility, and authentic conversationHow laughter and hope can be acts of resistanceAdvice for maintaining kindness and standing up for what’s rightInsights on repentance, empathy, and the power of communityFind Ben on Substack, Instagram, Facebook and Listen to His Podcast, Into the Gray. Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode, Leslie welcomes back Brian Recker to discuss his new book, "Hell Bent: How the Fear of Hell Holds Christians Back from a Spirituality of Love." Together, they dive into Brian’s journey from a strict evangelical upbringing to a more open, love-focused faith, exploring how fear-based teachings—especially the concept of hell—shape personal beliefs, relationships, and community dynamics. The conversation is honest, empathetic, and often humorous, offering practical tools for deconstructing harmful beliefs and encouraging listeners to embrace a spirituality rooted in love rather than fear. Whether you’re questioning your faith or just curious about new perspectives, this episode provides both thought-provoking insights and a sense of hope.Bullet Points of Interest:Brian’s background: Raised evangelical, former pastor, and now an author challenging traditional views on hell.The main theme of the book: How fear of hell distorts Christian spirituality and relationships.The paradigm shift: Moving from a punishment-based faith to one centered on love and acceptance.Personal stories: Both Brian and the host share their experiences of deconstructing faith and the emotional toll it takes.The impact of fear: How fear of hell shapes parenting, self-worth, and community dynamics.Practical tools: Brian introduces reflective questions (inspired by Byron Katie) to help listeners interrogate their beliefs.The metaphor of hell: Exploring hell as a spiritual and psychological experience, not just an afterlife destination.The importance of community: Encouragement to process these questions with others, and info about a free study guide for group discussion.Humor and empathy: Lighthearted moments about rapture predictions and the shared experience of spiritual anxiety.A message of hope: It’s possible to move beyond fear and find a more loving, authentic faith.Find Brians book on Amazon or Audible, available 9/30/25 Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Rachel Dixon joins us today to share her powerful story of self-discovery, faith, and authenticity. Growing up in a deeply religious environment, Rachel navigated the complexities of identity, conformity, and spirituality, ultimately embracing her true self and advocating for wholeness as a birthright. Imagine being accused by people in the church of being a homosexual because of how you look, being rejected because of it and not even realizing that was your truth until much later, after many years of agonizing introspection! The church knew she was gay before she even did. How is that, if being gay is a choice? This story is powerful and incredibly eye opening. Through candid conversation, we explore the challenges of deconstructing long-held beliefs, the courage to live audaciously, and the importance of community and unconditional love.Bullet Points of Interest:Rachel’s upbringing in a strict Christian environment and the impact of religious expectations on her identity.The influence of Christian radio and audio dramas on Rachel’s early love for voice and storytelling.Early realizations of difference—Rachel’s discomfort with gendered expectations and required silence for women in church.The pivotal moment at Bible college: being dismissed from a job for having short hair, highlighting the consequences of non-conformity.The emotional toll of being judged for appearance and the pressure to fit a prescribed mold.Rachel’s journey through denial and eventual acceptance of her sexuality, including the challenges of navigating faith and identity.The experience of being directly questioned about her sexuality and the anger and self-reflection it provoked.The process of deconstructing faith—questioning dogma, seeking authenticity, and ultimately leaving the church to pursue a more genuine spiritual path.Insights on the difference between following rules for appearance versus living with honesty and love.The importance of community, creativity, and finding like-minded people after leaving a restrictive environment.Rachel’s message of honoring every step of the journey, even the difficult ones, as necessary for growth and self-acceptance.The episode closes with encouragement for listeners to embrace their own paths, seek community, and find freedom in authenticity.Find out more about Rachel and watch her TEDx Talk at www.racheldickson.com Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today we welcome Reverend Joseph Yoo for an open conversation about faith, deconstruction, and creating inclusive spiritual communities. Joseph shares his personal journey as a pastor’s kid in a multi-generational ministry family, his experiences with conservative and evangelical traditions, and his evolution toward a more inclusive, affirming approach to faith. Together, we discuss the challenges and rewards of questioning long-held beliefs, the loneliness and courage involved in deconstructing faith, and the importance of building spaces where everyone—especially those on the margins—can belong and be loved.Bullet Points of Interest:Joseph’s upbringing in a family deeply rooted in ministry across generations.The impact of purity culture, fundamentalism, and immigrant experiences on his faith journey.Joseph’s transition from conservative theology to a more inclusive, affirming ministry.Honest reflections on deconstruction, including the pain, loneliness, and social consequences.The importance of creating safe spaces for those questioning or leaving traditional faith communities.Insights on tokenism versus true diversity in church leadership and congregations.Leslie’s personal story of leaving the church to pursue love and authenticity, including her experience on "Survivor."The role of neuroplasticity in changing beliefs and the difficulty of reprogramming long-held ideas.Encouragement for those deconstructing to seek community and not go through the process alone.A focus on love, acceptance, and supporting people wherever they are on their spiritual journey.Find Joseph online:Mosaic Episcopal ChurchInstagramFacebook Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Today we honor the journey of David Hayward, known as the "Naked Pastor", who shares his profound journey of deconstructing faith. David discusses his background as a pastor, the origins of his Naked Pastor persona, his educational and theological journey, and the critical moments that led to his deconstruction. Together, we explore themes of authenticity, questioning beliefs, losing and finding community, and the evolving understanding of faith. This candid and thought-provoking conversation delves into personal transformation and the very human quest for spiritual freedom and truth.Here are the main points of interest in this episode:Origin of "Naked Pastor"David explains the meaning behind his moniker, emphasizing transparency and authenticity in ministry.David's Spiritual JourneyHe shares his background: growing up in various denominations, extensive theological education, and his path through different church traditions.Deconstruction BeginningsDavid describes the pivotal moment that started his deconstruction—reading "The Silence of Jesus" and questioning the inspiration of scripture.The Emotional Impact of DeconstructionBoth David and Leslie discuss the trauma, fear, and loneliness that can accompany questioning long-held beliefs.Community and BelongingThe conversation explores the loss of community after leaving church, the challenge of finding new support systems, and the unique intensity of church-based relationships.The Role of Empathy and SensitivityThey note that people who deconstruct often have high empathy and a deep sense of responsibility for others' spiritual well-being.Navigating Binary ThinkingThe episode highlights the difficulty of moving beyond black-and-white thinking, especially when faced with questions about faith, truth, and identity.Art as a BridgeDavid’s cartoons are discussed as a gentle, creative way to challenge the church and support those in deconstruction.Building New CommunityBoth hosts share their efforts to create or find new forms of community outside traditional church settings.Personal Growth and AcceptanceDavid talks about honoring his roots while continuing to grow, and the importance of accepting the full journey, not erasing the past.Oneness and ConnectionDavid describes a transformative experience of perceiving the oneness of all people, which brought him peace and shaped his outlook.Looking ForwardDavid hints at a new phase or mission beyond deconstruction, suggesting ongoing evolution in his work and message. Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of "Honoring the Journey," Leslie welcomes author and theologian Keith Giles to discuss rapture theology and its impact on those raised in fear-based religious traditions. Building on feedback from a previous episode, they explore the origins of rapture theology, its scriptural interpretations, and the psychological effects it has had on believers. Keith offers a historical and theological critique, challenging common interpretations and encouraging listeners to consider alternative perspectives rooted in scripture, history, and a more inclusive understanding of faith. The conversation aims to diffuse fear, promote critical thinking, and highlight the importance of love, grace, and personal spiritual growth.Find Keith's books here!Topics of Interest:The trauma and fear caused by rapture theology in evangelical upbringingsThe origins of rapture theology and its invention by John Nelson Darby in the 1850sThe role of dispensationalism in shaping modern end-times beliefsScriptural analysis of Daniel 9 and the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24)The use of apocalyptic hyperbole in biblical prophecyMisinterpretations of scripture regarding the rapture and end timesThe historical context and coded language of the Book of RevelationThe difference between the "end of the age" and the "end of the world"The inclusive message of Christ and the idea that the kingdom of God is within everyoneThe psychological burden of certainty versus the freedom of faith and trustThe importance of questioning, critical thinking, and exploring multiple theological perspectivesThe invitation to embrace love, grace, and spiritual connection over fear-based doctrine Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this Special Episode of Honoring the Journey, Leslie invites her sister (and bestie) Marie to join her and they discuss growing up in fundamentalism, rapture trauma, deconstruction and how they now see God today. This is a special episode because Marie is probably the only person Leslie had to talk to during her deconstruction journey before going public. They have been through a lot together, and have remained close through it all!Topics of Interest:Leslie and her sister Marie, discuss their experiences growing up with "rapture anxiety" in a fundamentalist Christian environment.They describe the strict religious upbringing, including legalistic rules and the constant fear of the rapture.The conversation covers the origins and theology of the rapture, including its biblical roots and how it became popular in modern American Christianity.Both hosts reflect on the psychological and emotional impact of rapture teachings, including anxiety, fear, and trauma that persisted into adulthood.They discuss the influence of rapture-themed movies and media, such as "A Thief in the Night," and the song "I Wish We’d All Been Ready," on their beliefs and fears.Marie recounts a personal story of panic and fear during a rapture prediction, highlighting the real-life effects of this doctrine.The episode includes listener voicemails sharing similar experiences of rapture trauma and anxiety.The hosts critique the use of fear and indoctrination in religious teaching, emphasizing the difference between reverence and terror.They discuss their journeys of deconstruction, moving away from fear-based beliefs toward a more loving, inclusive, and less anxious spirituality.The conversation touches on the challenges of changing beliefs, the reactions of family and community, and the importance of self-worth and unconditional love.The episode ends with encouragement to question fear-based doctrines, embrace change, and focus on love and acceptance. Honoring the Journey is hosted, produced and edited by Leslie Nease and the artwork for the show is also created by Leslie Nease.Want to get updates/announcements and a FREE Deconstruction Journaling Prompt PDF? Sign up for Leslie's Monthly Newsletter! You can do that HERE.Pick up Leslie's new book, Honoring the Journey: The Deconstruction of Sister Christian here.Interested in working with Leslie as your Life/Faith Transitions Coach? Check out her website and learn more about what she offers! https://www.leslieneasecoaching.comIf you'd like to be a part of the Honoring the Journey Team on Substack, click here! You can find her work and also support her financially if you desire.Would you like to leave a voicemail for Leslie? Click here!If you are looking for community as you deconstruct or just a place to go and enjoy the company of people who are seekers, learners and who are looking to connect with the Divine without religious baggage, please join the Private Facebook Community!  Leslie is very passionate about connection and community, so if that sounds like you, please come join us!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.