

GeriPal - A Geriatrics and Palliative Medicine Podcast
Alex Smith, Eric Widera
A geriatrics and palliative medicine podcast for every health care professional.
Two UCSF doctors, Eric Widera and Alex Smith, invite the brightest minds in geriatrics, hospice, and palliative care to talk about the topics that you care most about, ranging from recently published research in the field to controversies that keep us up at night. You'll laugh, learn, and maybe sing along.
CME and MOC credit available (AMA PRA Category 1 credits) at www.geripal.org
Two UCSF doctors, Eric Widera and Alex Smith, invite the brightest minds in geriatrics, hospice, and palliative care to talk about the topics that you care most about, ranging from recently published research in the field to controversies that keep us up at night. You'll laugh, learn, and maybe sing along.
CME and MOC credit available (AMA PRA Category 1 credits) at www.geripal.org
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May 6, 2021 • 41min
Moral Injury: Podcast with Shira Maguen
Though origins of the term "moral injury" can be traced back to religious bioethics, most modern usage comes from a recognition of a syndrome of guilt, shame, and sense of betrayal experienced by soldiers returning from war. One feels like they crossed a line with respect to their moral beliefs. The spectrum of acts that can lead to moral injury is broad, ranging from killing of an enemy combatant who is shooting at the soldier (seemingly acceptable under wartime ethics), to killing of civilians or children (unacceptable). One need to witness the killing - dropping bombs or napalm can result in moral injury as well - nor need it be killing; harassment, hazing, and assault can result in moral injury, as can bearing witness to an event. While there is often overlap between moral injury and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), they are not synonymous. Today we talk with Shira Maguen, psychologist and Professor at UCSF and the San Francisco VA. One of the many fascinating parts of our discussion is when we talk about the moral injury faced by healthcare workers during COVID. I encourage you to listen to the last podcast to hear what moral injury can sound like - being asked to care for patients under far less than ideal circumstances, care that is the best under the circumstances but is not standard of care, wondering if as a result patients may have been harmed or died. One common feature of moral injury in combat is a feeling of betrayal by superior officers who order soldiers to act in a way that contravenes their self-conception of right and wrong. One might say we in healthcare experienced a similar betrayal of leadership that flouted the science of mask wearing, stated that doctors were billing for COVID excessively to turn a profit, and touted unproven and potentially harmful medications as miracle cures. We also talk about treatment (and it's more than "I wanna hold your hand," song choice hint) Links: Moral Injury Fact Sheet: Moral Injury in Health Care Workers: Health and Human Services: Moral Injury for Healthcare Workers: Gender differences in Moral Injury Moral Injury in the Wake of Coronavirus: Attending to the Psychological Impact of the Pandemic on Healthcare Workers: Moral Injury

Apr 29, 2021 • 42min
Life, Death, and a Hospital Strained by COVID: Podcast with Brian Block, Sunita Puri and Denise Barchas
During the winter peak in coronavirus cases, things got busy in my hospital, but nothing close to what happened in places like New York City last spring or Los Angeles this winter. Hospitals in these places went way past their capacity, but did this strain on the system lead to worse outcomes? Absolutely. On today's podcast, we talk with Brian Block, lead author of a Journal of Hospital Medicine study that showed that patients with COVID-19 admitted to hospitals with larger COVID-19 patient surges had an increased odds of death. We talk about the findings in his study, which also included some variation in the surge hospitals as well as potential reasons behind these outcomes. We've also invited two other guests, Denise Barchas and Sunita Puri, to describe their hospital experiences in a COVID surge. Denise is a ICU nurse at UCSF who volunteered in New York during the spring surge of COVID cases. Sunita is the Medical Director of Palliative Medicine at USC's Keck Hospital & Norris Cancer Center in Los Angeles. She is also the author of numerous books and essays, including "That Good Night: Life and Medicine in the Eleventh Hour" (if you haven't read it yet you should!)

Apr 22, 2021 • 39min
Disability in the home: Podcast with Sarah Szanton and Kenny Lam
We know from study after study that most older adults would prefer to age in place, in their homes, with their families and embedded in their communities. But our health system is in many ways not particularly well set up to help people age in place. Medicare does not routinely require measurement or tracking of disability that leads many people to move out of their homes, and many interventions that support people to age in place are unfunded, underfunded, or funded by philanthropy rather than the government. Today we talk with Sarah Szanton, who created the CAPABLE multi-disciplinary model to help older adults stay at home, and Kenny Lam, who used a national study to examine the need for home-modification devices. And we preview another of the AGS songs for the literature update - this one to the tune of "My Get up and Go" by Pete Seeger. Enjoy! -@AlexSmithMD

Apr 15, 2021 • 53min
All things Amyloid, including Aducanumab and Amyloid PET scans with Gil Rabinovici
There are no currently approved disease modifying drugs for Alzheimer's disease, but in a couple months that may change. In July of 2021, the FDA will consider approval of a human monoclonal antibody called Aducanumab for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease. If approved, it will not only make this drug the defacto standard of care for Alzheimer's disease, but will create a monumental shift in the usage of other currently limited diagnostic tests, including Amyloid PET scans and other biomarkers. On today's podcast, we talk about all things Amyloid, including Aducanumab and Amyloid PET scans with Gil Rabinovici. Dr. Rabinovici is the Edward Fein and Pearl Landrith Endowed Professor in Memory & Aging at UCSF. I could talk to Gil all day long, but we try to fit all of these topics in this jam-packed podcast: The heterogeneity of dementia and potentially Alzheimer's disease Where are we now with disease modifying treatments for Alzheimer's disease The Role of Amyloid PET scans and other biomarkers both now and in the future The wild story Aducanumab and the controversy surrounding its pending FDA approval

Apr 8, 2021 • 43min
Ageism + COVID19 = Elder Genocide: Podcast on nursing homes with Mike Wasserman
One of our earliest COVID podcasts with Jim Wright and David Grabowski a year ago addressed the early devastating impact of COVID on nursing homes. One year ago Mike Wasserman, geriatrician and immediate past president of the California Long Term Care Association, said we'd have a quarter million deaths in long term care. A quarter of a million deaths. No one would publish that quote - it seemed inconceivable to many at the time. And now, here we are, and the numbers are going to be close. In this podcast we look back on where we've been over the last year, where we are now, and what's ahead. One theme that runs through the podcast is that if this level of death, confinement, and fear occured to any other population, change would have been swift. But nursing home residents, for the most part, don't have a voice, they're not able to speak up, they lack power to move politicians and policy. Mike Wasserman is a provocateur. He is a needed voice for the nursing home residents and the nursing home staff who often are not able to speak for themselves. He is regularly quoted in major news outlets, and was in the Washington Post about opening up nursing homes to visitation the day of our podcast. If you don't follow him on Twitter @Wassdoc you should! -Link to Wassmerm and Grabowski's article in the Health Affairs blog on the need for financial transparency in nursing homes. -Link to webinar about what to do about COVID in long term care from April 2020 -@AlexSmithMD

Mar 24, 2021 • 48min
COVID Vaccine Hesitancy in Frontline Nursing Home Staff
COVID has taken a devastated toll in nursing homes. Despite representing fewer than 5% of the total US events, at least 40% of COVID‐19–related deaths occurred in older individuals living in nursing homes. The good news is that with the introduction of COVID vaccines in nursing homes, numbers of infections and outbreaks have plummeted. However, only about 2/3rds of nursing home patients and only about ½ of nursing home staff have been vaccinated, largely due to hesitancy about taking the vaccine. On today's podcast we talk about vaccine hesitancy with Sarah Berry, Kimberly Johnson, and David Gifford and the lessons learned from their "town hall" intervention they did that was just published in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society. A couple of take-home messages for me in this study was that vaccine misinformation was rampant, many nursing staff had lingering questions they wanted answered before getting the shot, and that sharing stories and personal experiences is an important way to overcome hesitancy. In addition to listening to the podcast, we really encourage everyone to take a look at the JAGS article as it has two great tables for anyone willing to do similar town halls. The first is a summary of the concerns of healthcare staff. The second is sample responses to address some of these concerns.

Mar 18, 2021 • 38min
Expelled from Hospice: Podcast with Elizabeth Luth and Lauren Hunt
Hospice may not be a great match for all of the care needs of people with dementia, but it sure does help. And, as often happens, when patients with dementia do not decline as expected, they are too frequently discharged from hospice, an experience that Lauren Hunt and Krista Harrison refer to in an editorial in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society (JAGS) as feeling like being "expelled." We talk on this week's podcast with Elizabeth Luth, author of a study in JAGS about her study of patients in a large New York Hospice with dementia who either are discharged from hospice or live longer than 6 months. Turns out this happens - brace yourselves - nearly 40% of the time! And we talk with Elizabeth and Lauren Hunt, who helps us contextualize these findings in the setting of larger issues around the fit of hospice for persons with dementia and hospice Medicare policy. (We will add the link to the editorial when it's uploaded to the JAGS website). -@AlexSmithMD

Mar 4, 2021 • 47min
Reframing Aging: A Podcast with Patricia D'Antonio
The COVID pandemic brought to light many things, including how society views older adults. Louise Aronson wrote a piece in the NY Times titled "'Covid-19 Kills Only Old People.' Only? Why are we OK with old people dying?". The ageist viewpoint she was rallying against was also brought to light in a study of ageism in social media. When looking at those tweets that were related to older adults and covid, more than 1 in 10 tweets implied that either the life of older adults was less valuable or that it downplayed the pandemic because it mostly harms older adults. So on today's podcast we are going to talk about the initiative to "Reframe Aging" with Patricia D'Antonio. Patricia is a geriatric pharmacist, and the Vice President of Professional Affairs at the Gerontological Society of America (GSA). The Reframing Aging initiative is a national effort, led by GSA and supported by Archstone Foundation, uses an evidence-based approach to communicating more effectively about older adults. There are a variety of resources available, including research reports, an online toolkit, and free instructional videos, to help us talk about our work in geriatrics and aging. For information about the Reframing Aging Initiative, please check out their webpage www.reframingaging.org. In particular, check out these two helpful resources on their website: Finding the Frame: An Empirical Approach to Reframing Aging and Ageism (2017): This report explains the process and research behind the development of the evidence-based reframing aging narratives shown to improve attitudes toward aging and to boost understanding of the structural and systemic changes needed to capture the longevity dividend. Reframing Aging: Effect of a Short-Term Framing Intervention on Implicit Measures of Age Bias (2019) This article appearing in The Journals of Gerontology: Series B describes the effect of a reframing aging intervention on implicit age bias.

Feb 25, 2021 • 45min
So you want to be a hospice medical director? Podcast with Tommie Farrell and Kai Romero
So what exactly does a hospice medical director do? Why do some choose to become hospice physicians? What additional training is needed, if any, beyond Hospice and Palliative Medicine fellowship and boards? Who should take the new Hospice Medical Director Certification Board Examination? A recent study in JAGS found high rates of hospice disenrollment ("live discharge") for people with dementia - is that a good thing or a bad thing? Hmmm… We address these and other questions in this week's podcast with Tommie Farrell, hospice physician in West Texas and Chair of the Hospice Medical Director Certification Board, and Kai Romero, Chief Medical Officer for Hospice By the Bay (that's San Francisco Bay). And I get a re-do attempt at REM's "Everybody Hurts!". Apologies for the first attempt! -@AlexSmithMD

Feb 18, 2021 • 45min
The Problem of Alzheimer's: A Podcast with Jason Karlawish
Where are we with Alzheimers? Are we about to see a revolution in how we diagnose and treat it with Amyloid PET scans and the amyloid antibody aducanumab (which is currently on FDA's desk for approval)? Or are we still in the same place where there is no meaningfully effective treatment? Or is it somewhere in between, given the data that we have on comprehensive dementia care? We talk today with Jason Karlawish, a professor of medicine, medical ethics and health policy, and neurology at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine. In addition to being a geriatrician extraordinaire, he is the author of the new book "The Problem of Alzheimer's: How Science, Culture, and Politics Turned a Rare Disease into a Crisis and What We Can Do About It." In addition to talking about PET scans and new drugs like aducanumab, we discuss with Jason about the history of Alzheimers, the history of how we care for a fund caregivers, and where we go from here. So take a listen and check out Jason's book!


