Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted

Zach Abramowitz
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Feb 13, 2025 • 42min

E16 - How Biglaw Can and Should Partner with Early Stage Startups, with Ilona Logvinova and Evan Shenkman

In this engaging conversation, Ilona and Evan discuss their roles and experiences in leading innovation within their respective law firms, Cleary Gottlieb and Fisher Phillips. Ilona, the Director of Practice Innovation at Cleary, shares her journey from McKinsey to leading a transformation journey at Cleary. Evan, the Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Fisher Phillips, talks about his shift from labor and employment law into knowledge management and legal technology. The discussion covers their strategies for partnering with early-stage companies, the impact of generative AI on the legal industry, the importance of being thought leaders, and the challenges and opportunities of incorporating AI into legal practices. They also delve into the long-term benefits of working with startups, AI governance, and the future trajectory of AI in redefining the value proposition of the legal profession.    Topics discussed: IIona's Journey and Role at Cleary Evan's Career Path and Role at Fisher Phillips  The Impact of Generative AI on Legal Tech  Pre-Generative AI Adoption Strategies  Evaluating Startups and Early Partnerships  Risk Management and AI Governance  Learn More: Ilona - https://www.pli.edu/faculty/ilona-logvinova-i2002979 Evan - https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/people/evan-shenkman.html Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Ilona - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilonalogvinova Evan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/evan-shenkman-5445123 Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
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Jan 22, 2025 • 49min

E15 - Could “AI For Lawyers” Catch on Faster with In-House Attorneys? Katya Fisher, CEO and Founder of Aracor

Katya Fisher introduces her journey from a practicing attorney to a tech entrepreneur. She shares her experience of building a successful law practice during the Great Recession and how she acquired a unique set of legal skills. Katya talks about the inefficiencies in the legal world that led her to build Aracor.ai, a legal tech product tailored for in-house counsel of investment firms such as venture capital funds, private equity groups, and family offices.   Learn More: Aracor - https://www.aracor.ai/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Katya - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katyafisher/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz  
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Dec 2, 2024 • 29min

E14 - Are the Lines Blurring Between DMS and AI? NetDocuments CPO Dan Hauck

In this episode recorded at the NetDocuments Inspire EMEA conference in London, Dan Hauck outlines the strides made in integrating AI into legal document management. The discussion begins with a reflection on a previous webinar and the decision to avoid common, simplistic AI solutions like chatbots, instead focusing on using LLMs for intelligent document tagging. The development and features of NetDocuments' AI suite, ndMax, are detailed, emphasizing automated processes like semantic search, document metadata enrichment, and contract summarization. The conversation also touches on the importance of embedding AI seamlessly into existing workflows to enhance the work experience for attorneys, improve client service, and retain top talent. Additionally, they explore future enhancements, the integration of custom legal applications, and the overarching strategy of simplifying AI use within the platform.    AI in Legal: A Thoughtful Approach Developing ndMax: Tackling Legal Challenges with AI  The Shift to Semantic Search  Building Legal Apps with ndMax AI Integration and Lawyer Experience  Simply Intelligent: The New Messaging   Learn More: Dan - NetDocuments.com Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Dan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danhauck Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
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Nov 28, 2024 • 19min

E13 - Are Law Firms Succeeding with GenAI? Joe Cohen, Director of Innovation at CRS

In this episode, Joe Cohen, Director of Advanced Client Solutions at Charles Russell Speechlys, discusses his recent career change and the establishment of a new department at the firm focusing on legal tech, generative AI, legal project management, and process improvement. Joe details the triggers for creating the innovation department and the rapid adoption of generative AI platforms within the firm. He shares insights from the recent Legal Innovators conference panel, the impact of AI on value-based pricing, and its transformative potential on both the practice of law and business models. Joe also explores the challenges and future possibilities of AI in the legal sector, including data limitations and evolving regulatory landscapes.  Creating an Innovation Department  Generative AI Implementation  Value-Based Pricing and AI  Future of Legal AI and Data Challenges   Learn More: https://www.legalinnovators.co.uk/ Joe - https://www.charlesrussellspeechlys.com/en/people/j/joe-cohen/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Joe - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joecohen13/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
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Aug 27, 2024 • 34min

E12 - AI and the Future of Legal Ops with LegalOps.com Founders Jeff Franke and Connie Brenton

In episode 12 of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted, Zach interviews Jeff Franke and Connie Brenton, co-founders of LegalOps.com, ahead of their upcoming conference, "Running Legal Like a Business," in Las Vegas from September 3-6. The discussion highlights the evolution of legal operations, emphasizing the need for community and industry standards, which they aim to foster through their platform.   Learn more about the conference "Running Legal Like a Business" - https://event-2024.legalops.com/   Learn More: Legal Ops - legalops.com, lawvision.com Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
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Aug 22, 2024 • 53min

E11 - Is Harvey.ai All Hype? Giupedi CEO Edward Bukstel

In this episode of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted, dive into the world of digital health and legal technology with a seasoned entrepreneur who has been at the forefront of healthcare technology since the late 1980s. The discussion covers the evolution of electronic health records, the intersection of digital health and legal tech, and the challenges faced by lawyers in adopting new technologies. Edward Bukstel shares insights on his current venture, which aims to streamline the process for personal injury cases and improve communication between clients and lawyers. The conversation also touches on the competitive landscape of legal tech, particularly the emergence of companies like Harvey.ai and the implications of AI in the legal field.    Learn More: Edward - https://medium.com/@Connected_Dots, https://www.giupedi.com/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: Edward - https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-bukstel-33987a2/ Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
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Aug 9, 2024 • 31min

E10 - GPT Wrappers with James Lee, CEO & Cofounder of LegalMation

This episode of Zach Abramowitz is Legally Disrupted delves into the importance of using specialized tools for professionals, drawing an analogy between Snap-on tools at a motorcycle shop and purpose-built applications in the legal industry. It discusses why general-purpose tools like GPT and Claude may not meet the specific needs of professionals, emphasizing the need for tailored solutions that provide confidence and efficiency. The conversation highlights the philosophy of building platforms that cater to the precise requirements of professional users, particularly in legal settings. The Snap-On Tools Philosophy The Professional's Preference Purpose-Built Applications vs. Swiss Army Knives Optimizing for Legal Professionals   Learn More: James - https://www.legalmation.com/about/ Zach - https://www.legallydisrupted.com/   Follow Along: James - https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-lee-9468b64 Zach - linkedin.com/in/zachabramowitz
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Jul 10, 2024 • 25min

E9 - How is AI Impacting Law Firm Subsidiaries? Bryon Bratcher, MD of Gravity Stack

Bryon Bratcher, MD of Gravity Stack, discusses how AI is transforming law firm subsidiaries. Topics include AI impact on legal services, rebranding initiatives, evolution of AI in law firms, using AI in due diligence, and challenges in scaling AI usage.
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May 21, 2024 • 32min

E8 - Conversation in Las Vegas at CLOC with Latitude Legal CRO Alex Su

Legal influencer Alex Su discusses his unique career journey, the impact of AI on legal staffing, and the importance of creating engaging content in the legal sector. The conversation also delves into flexible staffing models, skill stacking, and strategic decision-making in the industry.
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Apr 11, 2024 • 39min

E7 - How Lawyers Are Going to Make Money From AI: TermScout CEO Otto Hanson

CEO of TermScout, Otto Hanson, discusses the shift to Screens.ai, allowing lawyers to generate passive income from AI. They explore AI in legal contracts, gig economy impact on lawyers, and how Screens.ai revolutionizes contract review with redlining features and expert screens.

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