
The Political Animals
Two political philosophers, one a right-wing radical, the other a left-wing heretic, come together to discuss the social, political and cultural issues of our day.
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Feb 26, 2023 • 57min
Sydney Anglicanism, with Rev Dr Michael Jensen
Michael Jensen joins Jonathan for an exploration of the ins and outs of Sydney's unique, and influential, brand of Anglicanism. The conversation covers the historical origins of the Sydney diocese and its distinct character, controversies surrounding the chasuble, lay presidency (administration) and women in ministry, as well as Sydney Anglican politics (ecclesial and secular), and whether Sydney Anglicans (and other Evangelical Anglicans) can, and should, remain part of the Anglican Church of Australia.
Rev Dr Michael Jensen is the Rector at St Mark's, Darling Point, Sydney, a former lecturer in theology at Moore Theological College, and the author of many books, including Sydney Anglicanism: An Apology. He is also the co-host of the With All Due Respect Podcast.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
You can follow Jonathan and the show on Twitter.

Feb 16, 2023 • 1h 27min
A Pox on Both Their Houses: Libertarianism, with Katherine Mangu-Ward
Katherine Mangu-Ward joins Jonathan for a conversation about libertarianism. They explore the role of reason and free markets in the libertarian philosophy, the role and legitimate scope of government, progress towards libertarian goals over the 20th century, the tension between libertarianism's future-oriented optimism and conservatism's past-oriented pessimism about the future, the libertarian perspective on the contemporary Left and Right in America, the culture wars and why Christians are finding libertarianism increasingly attractive.
Katherine Mangu-Ward is editor in chief of Reason, the magazine of "free minds and free markets." She has worked at The Weekly Standard and the New York Times. Her writing has appeared in The Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post and she is a frequent commentator on radio and television, including Fox, MSNBC, C-SPAN and HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher. She is also a co-host on The Reason Roundtable podcast.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
You can follow Jonathan and the show on Twitter.

Jan 29, 2023 • 1h 35min
Liberalism in Australia, with Prof Judith Brett
Jonathan is joined by historian Judith Brett for a conversation about the history of liberalism in Australia. They explore the impact of 19th century liberalism on Australian politics and identity, the political struggle between liberalism and the Labor movement in the 20th century, the idea of the 'moral middle class' and its support for the Liberal Party in the early and mid-20th century, the changing demographics and economy of Australia and their impact on liberalism and the fortunes of the Liberal Party.
Judith Brett is Emeritus Professor at La Trobe University, where she taught Australian politics, political biography and political history. She is the author of Robert Menzies’ Forgotten People, Australian Liberals and the Moral Middle Class and The Enigmatic Mr Deakin.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
Jonathan posts regularly about political theology, political philosophy and conservatism on Facebook and Twitter.

Jan 22, 2023 • 1h 53min
Gender Clinics and the Politicisation of Medicine, with Bernard Lane
Journalist Bernard Lane joins the show for a conversation about gender clinics and the way that political ideology, activism, social phenomena, medicine and mental health intersect in the treatment of children and adolescents with gender dysphoria.
Bernard Lane is a journalist covering the international debate about medicalised gender change for young people. He writes the newsletter Gender Clinic News on Substack.

Jan 15, 2023 • 1h 19min
Beyond Religion and the Secular: A Conversation with Prof Wayne Hudson
Intellectual historian Wayne Hudson returns to the show for a discussion of his recently published book, Beyond Religion and the Secular: Creative Spiritual Movements and Their Relevance to Political, Social and Cultural Reform (Bloomsbury, 2023). Wayne and Jonathan ponder what religion has to offer humanity in advanced technological societies (a question posed in the book), and along the way explore Wayne's critique of the concept "religion," the role of the Enlightenment in the problematic category of "religion," false ontological and epistemological assumptions underpinning contemporary critiques of "religion," problematic dualistic notions of "religion" and the "secular," problems with the new concepts of "post-religion" and "post-secular" and the positive and essential role of spirituality to the processes of human evolution and our future as a species.
Wayne Hudson is an Adjunct Professor at Charles Sturt University, the Australian National University and the University of Tasmania. His most recent book is Beyond Religion and the Secular: Creative Spiritual Movements and Their Relevance to Political, Social and Cultural Reform.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
Jonathan posts regularly about political theology, political philosophy and conservatism on Facebook and Twitter.
Help the show thrive and survive by making a financial donation here.

Jan 8, 2023 • 2h 27min
Conservatism vs Liberalism: Reviewing Yoram Hazony's Case for Conservatism, with Dr Simon Kennedy
Jonathan is joined by Simon Kennedy for a discussion of Yoram Hazony's celebrated 2022 book, Conservatism: A Rediscovery. They focus on the the contrast Hazony draws between conservatism and liberalism, with particular emphasis on conservative and liberal epistemologies, the role of public religion, the failure of liberalism and the the influence of neo-Marxist ideas in contemporary Western culture and institutions.
Dr Simon Kennedy is a Research Fellow at the University of Queensland, both in the Law School and at the Institute for Advanced Studies in the Humanities, where he works on the intersections between law, political thought and religion. He is the author of Reforming the Law of Nature: The Secularisation of Political Thought, 1532–1689. In 2023, he will be a Visiting Fellow at the Mathias Corvinus Collegium in Budapest, Hungary.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
Jonathan posts regularly about political theology, political philosophy and conservatism on Facebook and Twitter.
Help the show thrive and survive by making a financial donation here.

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Dec 18, 2022 • 1h 47min
The Triumph of Nationalist Populism and the Failure of Conservatism: Dissecting the American Right, with Josh Lewis
Jonathan is joined by fellow conservative podcaster Josh Lewis for a discussion about the evolving realignments on the American Right in the wake of the political earthquake that was (still is) Donald Trump. They explore conservative philosophy, fusionism, the rise of nationalist populism, the state of American culture, the place and role of America on the global stage, the Right's loss of faith in the American project and finding hope amidst a profound and pervasive sense of conservative failure in the US.
Josh Lewis is the host of the Saving Elephants podcast: "Re-igniting Conservatism for Millennials."
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
Jonathan posts regularly about political theology, political philosophy and conservatism on Facebook and Twitter.
Help the show thrive and survive by making a financial donation here.

Dec 11, 2022 • 1h 34min
Christian Apologetics in an Age of Secular Ignorance and Hostility, with Dan Paterson
Host Jonathan is joined by Dan Paterson, a pastor, apologist and evangelist, for an exploration of the challenges and opportunities to introduce young people to the Christian good news in a culture now characterised by widespread ignorance of Christianity and growing hostility towards the faith, yet crying out for meaning.
Dan Patterson is the founder of Questioning Christianity, a ministry helping people to connect the Christian story to life’s deepest questions. He has been a pastor, lecturer and public speaker and has studied theology and apologetics in Australia and at Oxford.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
Jonathan posts regularly about political theology, political philosophy and conservatism on Facebook and Twitter.
Help the show thrive and survive by making a financial donation here.

Dec 4, 2022 • 2h 26min
Trump, Ukraine, Covid Forgiveness and Living in Babylon: A Conversation with Martyn Iles
Martyn Iles joins Jonathan for a wide-ranging conversation about the wisdom of Donald Trump making another presidential bid, the moral equivocation among sections of the Right over Putin's invasion of Ukraine, the need to move on from the trauma of Covid, but also to learn lessons from mistakes in the response, and why Christians need to adjust to living in a modern version of Babylon.
Martyn Iles is Managing-Director of the Australian Christian Lobby and host of The Truth of It. You can watch The Truth of it Live 'Babylon' trilogy here.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.

Nov 20, 2022 • 1h 28min
Anti-Communism, the Labor Party Split, the Rise of the DLP and Catholic Tribalism: Remembering B.A. Santamaria, with Gerard Henderson
Author and political commentator Gerard Henderson joins Jonathan for a conversation about B.A. Santamaria and the seminal political moments in Australia history that he was involved in. Drawing on his personal recollections of knowing and working with Santamaria, as well as the three books he has written on this "most unusual man," Gerard tells the story of communist influence in the trade union movement and Santamaria's efforts to combat it through "The Movement," the Labor Party split and Labor Party leader Bert Evatt's efforts to lay the blame at the feet of Santamaria and Victoria's catholics, the creation of the Democratic Labor Party, as well as the role of Archbishop Daniel Mannix and Santamaria as tribal Catholic leaders in an age of anti-Catholic sectarianism.
Gerard Henderson is an author, columnist and political commentator. He is Executive Director of The Sydney Institute, a privately funded Australian current affairs forum, and author of Santamaria: A Most Unusual Man.
The Political Animals is hosted by Dr Jonathan Cole, an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. Jonathan was a senior terrorism analyst at Australian intelligence agency the Office of National Assessments where he worked on Islamist terrorism and the global jihadist movement. He is the author of The Reign of God: A Critical Engagement with Oliver O'Donovan's Theology of Political Authority and Christian Political Theology in an Age of Discontent: Mediating Scripture, Doctrine, and Political Reality.
Jonathan posts regularly about political theology, political philosophy and conservatism on Facebook and Twitter.
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