
Embodiment Matters Podcast
Embodiment Matters is an ongoing, rich conversation about what it really means to be embodied, and why and how embodiment matters so much in our daily lives and in our world. Our guests include wise and insightful teachers from the realms of somatics, Buddhism, meditation, social justice, psychotherapy, movement arts, bodywork, martial arts, neuroscience, environmentalists, indigenous teachers, and more.
In our conversations, we explore a wide range of topics around waking up and being embodied, and offer guided practices to help return to your embodiment as a source of wisdom, guidance and intimacy with life.
Your hosts, Carl Rabke and Erin Geesaman Rabke, have been devoted to waking up and being embodied for the last 25 years. They have extensive training and practice in The Feldenkrais Method, Yoga & Yoga Therapy, Structural Integration, Embodied Life, Buddhist Meditation, Tai Chi, Focusing, Ayurveda, and more. They share a passion for sharing potent practices that support people in becoming more embodied, more mindful and aware, more rooted in liberating kindness, and more free in all ways; as well as more able to bring their unique gifts forth to benefit the world.
They live in Salt Lake City, and can be found at bodyhappy.com
Latest episodes

Oct 2, 2019 • 1h 9min
Nights Of Grief and Mystery with Stephen Jenkinson
In this episode we speak with Stephen Jenkinson. Stephen is a teacher, author, storyteller, spiritual activist, farmer and founder of the Orphan Wisdom School. He has written several books, including Die Wise: A Manifesto For Sanity and Soul, and Come of Age: The Case for Elderhood in Times of Trouble. In this conversation we speak about Stephen's Nights Of Grief and Mystery tour that is coming to our home, Salt Lake City, November 16th, and is touring through North America during the fall of 2019. If your are close to one of the spots on the tour, we encourage you to attend this extraordinary event. Stephen speaks of how he and Gregory Hoskins were being faithful to what had not yet appeared in terms of a gathering, likening Nights of Grief and Mystery more to a ritual or ceremony, where everyone attending is a participant as opposed to having an audience and performance. Stephen speaks about what it is to be a deeply claimed person, and how to be faithful to what you are born into. Stephen unpacks the words "grief" and "mystery" and their importance in these times. We deeply enjoyed speaking with Stephen, and truly value the wisdom, and the challenging questions he offers. We hope you enjoy the conversation. If you would like to hear more, we had a previous interview with Stephen on our podcast last year entitled "A Case for Elderhood." For more about Stephen's work, his school and the tour, visit http://www.orphanwisdom.com

Oct 2, 2019 • 54min
A Response To Our Times With Francis Weller
Francis Weller, a profound thinker on grief and soulful topics, dives deep into the importance of embracing sorrow in challenging times. He introduces the transformative 'Five Gates of Grief,' emphasizing how acknowledging grief can lead to healing and joy. The conversation pushes for personal engagement with global issues and the necessity of community support in processing loss. Weller shares his belief that grief, far from being a burden, can awaken our love and courage, ultimately guiding us to a more meaningful existence.

Jul 19, 2019 • 1h 15min
Remembering our Animal Senses and Sensuous Relationship With the Living World
Oh, what a shimmering, gorgeous, living, and enlivening conversation with one of the great embodied thinkers of our time! We loved interviewing David Abram and know you’ll enjoy this episode in which we explore, through David’s unique and gorgeous way with language, ways to be embodied and fully alive in our over-civilized world. We explore ideas about our use of language and the possibilities for “wielding our words” in ways that hold our senses open rather than shutting them down. We speak about recovering the wisdom of our animal senses; “tickling forth a way of being” in the world that is sensory, intimate and alive. David treats us to a reading from Becoming Animal, and shares the invitation to slow down and have patience even during the emergency we find ourselves in. He addresses the importance of leaving space in our lives, pulling the plug on our gadgets regularly to encounter the living world, and he speaks about why not only embodiment matters, but matter matters. We hope you enjoy being under the sensuous spell of David’s language and beautiful mind as much as we did! You can find more about him at http://wildethics.org. We highly recommend his beautiful books The Spell of the Sensuous: Perception and Language in a More-than-Human World and Becoming Animal: An Earthly Cosmology.

Jun 20, 2019 • 1h 10min
Embodying Effortless Mindfulness
Loch Kelly, M.Div., LCSW, is an author, meditation teacher, psychotherapist, and founder of the non-profit, Open-Hearted Awareness Institute. Lochteaches in a non-sectarian human being lineage using an adult education style based in the earliest non-dual wisdom traditions, modern science and psychotherapy. He is the author of Shift Into Freedom, and most recently The Way of Effortless Mindfulness. In our conversation we explore the connection between embodiment and waking up in the world. We look at the at the distinctions between what Loch calls effortless mindfulness, and the forms of mindfulness that are more widely taught. We talk about spiritual awakening as a natural next stage of adult development, and how when we are both waking up and growing up, we are much more resourced to respond to the great challenges in the world today. Loch also guides us in a couple of powerful short glimpse practices to offer listeners the direct experience of the concepts we are exploring. We loved this conversation and hope you do too! For more information on Loch's books, teachings and retreats, you can visit lochkelly.org

May 27, 2019 • 1h 5min
Animism, Embodiment, and Ancestral Healing
In this episode we share a deeply nourishing conversation with Daniel Foor, PhD, author of Ancestral Medicine and creator of the Practical Animism course. We explore embodiment as inter-relationship and indebtedness to the other-than-human world, about the intimacy of eating other bodies (whether plant or animal.) He says there are no environmental problems only human behavior problems and we explore how an animist, embodied worldview can help heal many current issues, including racism, sexism, disconnection, environmental harm and more. We explore that it’s not so important whether we can prove that ancestral healing or animism are “true,” but what kind of results living with these perspectives offer to improve our lives. We talk about grief as part of the process of becoming reconnected; the importance of slowing down; and the beauty of making offerings; as well as Daniel’s vision for his work in the world, which includes animist values becoming mainstream. (Yessss!) We’re so delighted to share this conversation with you. Find more about Daniel at ancestralmedicine.org. You can join us in his Practical Animism course through mid-June, 2019.

Mar 10, 2019 • 55min
Grounded Spirituality with Jeff Brown
In this lively episode, we take a conversational wild ride as we speak with author, filmmaker and iconoclast, Jeff Brown, of soulshaping.com. We speak about embodiment (of course!), consumerism preying on the uncentered, conscious armouring, the way embodied humans have a certain quality of gravity, the way he thinks anyone who calls themselves a spiritual teacher is full of shit, how to not throw the holy man out with the bathwater, a new model of yoga or somatic practice, and so much more. Enjoy!

Dec 14, 2018 • 58min
Your Intelligent Body: A Conversation with Robert Bosnak
In this episode, Erin speaks with Jungian analyst, dreamworker, and originator of MQ (embodied intelligence), Robert Bosnak. We talk about what embodiment means, about learning from dreams, about animism, about the necessity of taking a multiplicity of perspectives, and toward the end of the episode Bosnak guides us in an embodied exercise working with a memory. We hope you enjoy! If you're inspired to take his course 10-week Course: Going Out Of Your Mind: Get Into Your Intelligent Body and Become More Resilient - you can use the code "happy" for a 10% discount.

Dec 1, 2018 • 55min
A Living Body A Living Earth A Conversation with Charles Eisenstein
In this powerful conversation, we speak with Charles Eisenstein. Charles is a teacher, author, speaker, deep-thinker, and a good-hearted human being who asks great questions. His work challenges many of the deep stories and narratives that modern culture holds around economics, the environment, masculinity and more. His books include Sacred Economics, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible, and the recently released Climate: A New Story. In this conversation, we cover a wide terrain of topics– looking at the connections between how we relate to the body and how we relate to the natural world; how to look at deeper causes rather than only addressing symptoms when it comes to challenges like climate change, racism, or misogyny. We also talk about the importance of not-knowing; about how to work with burn-out and overwhelm while seeing clearly the reality of our situation. We delve deep into these heavy issues and end up in laughter, hope, and a fresh sense of possibility. Join us!

Nov 22, 2018 • 52min
Creativity, Embodiment, and Healing: A Conversation with Karen Wallace
In this episode, we playfully explore the territory of embodiment and creativity with Karen Wallace, M.Ed. BCATR. We speak about trauma, creativity, play, making things, and so much more. This conversation was so personally enriching for me!
Karen has a wealth of knowledge and experience in working with people of diverse backgrounds and ages. She’s written a gorgeous book called “There is No Need To Talk About This: Poetic Inquiry from the Art Therapy Studio.” Many of her poems are simply stunning and she reads several during our conversation.
In her private practice, Karen draws on a wide variety of theories to create an integrative approach. She is client-centered and uses techniques and theories which 'fit' the client. She is a practicing artist and combines theories in a very creative way in her practice to facilitate clients' journeys through change. She embodies a wealth of education and experience. Some of the tools she uses in her work are sand tray, all forms of art making, Focusing, Narrative Therapy, Feminist Therapy, journal and creative writing, movement, Somatic Experiencing techniques, stress reduction techniques, EMDR, meditation techniques and play therapy. She and her husband, Patrick Lewis, have just finished their new book called: Trauma-Informed Teaching through Play, Art, Narrative. You can learn more about Karen and her book(s) at http://www.islandnet.com/~kwallace/ Enjoy!

Sep 17, 2018 • 53min
Mythic By Nature: A Conversation with Micheal Meade
Micheal Meade, a renowned expert in mythology and cultural traditions, shares profound insights on the relevance of ancient wisdom today. He discusses the concept of 'lunar knowledge' and the importance of embodiment in understanding oneself and nature. Meade emphasizes that rituals are creative rather than repetitive and highlights the idea of embracing our innate genius as original gifts rather than original sins. He encourages personal growth through crises, advocating for authenticity as a means to awaken the soul.
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