Embodiment Matters Podcast

Explore the concept of reconnection and remembrance through ancestral intelligences. Delve into the echoes of human history and our relationship with the living world. Engage in a guided practice to feel the Earth's support and shared breath. Discuss the sacred responsibility to future generations and the grief tied to forgotten rituals. Discover radical gratitude as a pathway to right relationships and the importance of community in rekindling ancestral ties. Celebrate movement intelligence and the innate wildness within us all.

Practices of Depth and Soul and Why They Matter: A Conversation with Erin Geesaman Rabke and Carl Rabke Greetings, listener friends! We are delighted to share this conversation, the second in a series of three podcasts we're releasing during January 2026. The first is on practices of presence. The second, (this conversation) is on practices of depth and soul. The third will be on practices of reconnection and remembrance. We explore in each epsiode what these are and why they matter. These three realms of practice are woven through the foundation of our upcoming 13-month depth training, Refugia, which begins in early February, 2026. What are practices of depth and soul? Why do they matter? We begin with a line from Michael Meade: "Slow and down are the primary movements of soul." Erin shares a beautiful quote from Francis Weller pointing toward a mythopoetic definition of soul. We explore honoring depth and soul in a culture that tends toward the spiritual and the transcendent. We touch on many practices of depth and soul and why they matter, including growing an apprenticeship with sorrow, embodying one's unique genius or soul medicine, what it means to grow one's adult presence, the importance of the imagination and the imaginal, how to be in relationship with our wounds and sacred limps. We honor those from whom we have learned about soul, including Michael Meade, Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer, Jaiya John, Francis Weller, Maya Angelou, James Hillman, and so many more. We hope you enjoy this dive into depth and soul as much as we did. To learn more about Refugia, visit embodimentmatters.com/refugia "Soul rebellion precedes social rebellion, which is why the first and last revolution work occurs in the soul. In the soul." – Jaiya John

In this podcast, we dive into one of our favorite topics: practices of presence and why they matter. This is the first in a series of three podcasts on practices of presence, practices of depth and soul, and practices of reconnection and remembrance, and why they each matter. These three interweaving spheres and practices are the foundation of the curriculum for our 13-month Refugia training program that begins in February 2026. How important it is to have practices that help us remember and return to presence over and over through the day! We speak of growing an embodied ground, and how movement can either deepen the sense of split and objectification, (doing something to our body) or can deepen intimacy with life – through embodiment. We speak of how when we learn how to learn, and learn how to deepen presence through movement, this can touch every aspect of our lives. We speak about our approach to meditation (not mind control!) and the importance in this speedy world of taking time for stillness, silence, and spaciousness. We speak of the present moment as being vast enough to hold the past and future, to hold the ancestors and future ones. So many rich topics, quotes, and practices in this conversation. We hope you might enjoy it as much as we did. To find out more about our Refugia training, you can visit https://embodimentmatters.com/refugia/ To join us in our weekday online embodied meditation practice, you can visit https://embodimentmatters.com/meditation/

In this conversation, we speak with ritualist, healer, and rites of passage facilitator, Kedar Brown, founder and director of the Rites of Passage Council. Our conversation meanders through a variety of soulful topics. Kedar opens the conversation with a beautiful prayer and invocation. We speak of what it means to live in a good way, to become who we are meant to be, and give our gifts to the world. We speak of the markings and indications of adulthood, and what happens in the absence of initiation. We also speak of the importance of remembering our innate ritual intelligence. We loved speaking with Kedar, and look forward to him joining as one of the guest teachers in our upcoming Men of Depth and Soul along with Francis Weller. You can find out more about Kedar and his work at ritesofpassagecouncil.org You can find more about the Men of Depth and Soul Class at embodimentmatters.com and ahealingbridge.com Kedar is the founder and director of Rites of Passage Council, an organization offering deep nature ceremonial encampments around the world. He is an internationally known ceremonialist, healer, intuitive and teacher of psychological and spiritual awareness with over thirty-five years of professional experience. Over this time Kedar has developed an effective and unique approach to emotional and spiritual healing by braiding together his depth of clinical knowledge of experiential psychotherapies with more nature based, indigenous wisdom teachings and healing methods from around the world. In 1994 Kedar apprenticed with Steven Foster and Meredith Little at School of Lost Borders in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in the form and process of the vision quest ceremony and eco-psychology. He has also apprenticed for many years with Malidoma Some, PhD, initiated elder and shaman of the Dagara tribe of Burkina Faso, West Africa. Kedar has also had the honor and privilege to learn many valuable insights into healing from his apprenticeship with Cherokee elder and medicine person, Will Rockingbear. "I have known Kedar for a long time as a man of spirit with remarkable devotion to healing. He tends to his duty with royalty and ferocious commitment. As a man who hears the call of Earth and Nature, Kedar extends his hand to those in quest of change and transformation and is always willing to lead them into and guide them through a deep sense of communion with themselves. Having worked with him in a number of rituals and ceremonies and watched carefully the way he gives of himself to spirit, I have come to respect his priestly devotion to the sacred in Nature and in every human. His work deserves respect and reverence."~Malidoma P. Some´ PhD. Author, Teacher & Tribal Elder of the Dagara Tribe of West Africa.

Francis Weller, a psychotherapist and author dedicated to exploring grief and sorrow, shares insights on coping with today's challenges. He discusses the significance of what he terms a 'Rough Initiation' and how people can turn overwhelming emotions into communal strength. Weller emphasizes embracing sorrow through self-compassion and patience while advocating for beauty as a transformative force. He invites listeners to confront feelings of emptiness, promoting the importance of staying connected and tending to grief as a shared experience.

In this episode, our dear friend and colleague, Alexandre Jodun, interviews us! Alexandre had noticed that over these last six years of the Embodiment Matters podcast, and us (Carl and Erin) interviewing so many extraordinary teachers and luminaries, that you, our dear listers, had not heard so much from us about our work, and the soul medicine we carry. So, Alexandre reached out and asked to interview us on our podcast. We loved this conversation with Alexandre so much! It felt like the three of us sitting on the porch together reflecting on all the things we love. We speak about integrating practice with family, growing community, ripening adulthood, embodying freedom, the value of grief work, and many other rich topics. We also talk about the intention and vision behind Refugia, our 13-month mentoring training that begins in February 2026, that weaves together these threads we have carried in somatics, soul-work, deep ecology, grief-tending, meditation, voice, and more, in ways that help us each become more fully ourselves, and support us each to become refugia, places where pockets of life are protected and can flourish amidst all that is collapsing and unraveling. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did. You can find out more about Alexandre and his and his wife, Alyona's beautiful work at http://www.ahealingbridge.com And you can find out more about Carl and Erin's work and Refugia program at https://embodimentmatters.com/refugia/

Greetings listener friends! We are excited to share this conversation with Dr. Jaiya John. This is the second episode in the Men of Depth and Soul series that Carl is hosting with our dear friend and colleague, Alexandre Jodun. Jaiya is an incredible poet, writer, teacher, and human being and the founder of Soul Water Rising press. as he writes on his website: "My lifelong calling and work is freedom from the sickness of supremacy and inferiority. Freedom from oppression. Freedom to live a beautiful life. Food, water, and shelter are nothing if the one being fed, watered, and sheltered is immersed in the profound suffering that is poverty of the soul. I am grateful to carry out the humanitarian work of feeding souls the bread and breath of Love, compassion, and hope. In an often dehumanizing world, Soul Water Rising is a global rehumanizing mission, stirring the soul to remember itself. We support the healing and freedom journeys of historically dehumanized populations and cultures. We honor womanhood and fatherhood. And we treat the sickness of racial and cultural supremacies wherever they exist." In our conversation, we move through so much terrain looking at how men are being called by the times. We unpack the notion of freedom, and what it means to seek freedom for all beings, we talk about systems top-down dominance, and the pervasive presence of what Jaiya calls the "superiority/inferiority virus." We speak of the sacredness or eros, and how few boys have models of how to be with this energy in a way that feeds life. So much goodness. We hope you enjoy the conversation, and please share it with any friends who might enjoy listening. You can find more about Jaiya and his work at https://jaiyajohn.com More about Alexandre https://www.ahealingbridge.com/holistic-psychotherapy-counselling And more about Carl and Erin at https://embodimentmatters.com

In this conversation, we begin a new sub-series of the Embodiment Matters podcast, Men of Depth and Soul, where Carl and our dear friend and colleague, Alexandre Jodun will be hosting interviews around what is being asked of men in these times. We begin the series with our friend and mentor, Francis Weller. Francis is a psychotherapist, soul-activist, and author of The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief. Our conversation moves through many topics: men and grief, the relationship between power and love, the loneliness and isolation so many men feel, how we can bless each other and call out to each other's gifts, and so much more. On February 13th, Carl and Alexandre begin an online men's group, Men of Depth and Soul: Rooting into Sacred Activism. Francis Weller will be one of the guest elder/ teachers along with Pat McCabe, Woman Stands Shining. You can find out more about that course here, https://embodimentmatters.com/menofdepthandsoul/ You can find more information on Francis and his work at https://www.francisweller.net More on Pat McCabe https://www.patmccabe.net More on Alexandre at https://www.ahealingbridge.com

We are so excited to share this podcast with the amazing poet and human, Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer. As Erin mentions in the intro, you might want to have some tissues handy, as we dive right into the deep end, and the conversation is filled with tenderness and beauty. In our conversation, Rosemerry reads some of her gorgeous poems, and we move through many rich themes including grief and gratitude, ways to be with someone who is grieving, holding paradox and the stretch of the human heart, and being opened by life. The conversation has the same wide range of this experience of being human as does Rosemerry's writing. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer lives with her husband and daughter in Placerville, Colorado, on the banks of the wild and undammed San Miguel River. She served as San Miguel County's first poet laureate (2007-2011) and as Western Slope Poet Laureate (2015-2017) and was a finalist for Colorado Poet Laureate in 2019. She performs as a storyteller, including shows in Aspen at the Wheeler Opera House, at the Taos Storytelling Festival, Page Storytelling Festival and the National Storytelling Festival in Jonesborough, TN. Her TEDx talk explores changing our outdated metaphors. For five years, she performed in the Telluride Literary Burlesque. She has been writing a poem a day since 2006, posting them since 2011 on her blog, A Hundred Falling Veils. In 2023, her poems can be heard daily on the Ritual app, The Poetic Path. Favorite themes include parenting, gardening, ecology, love, science, thriving/failure, grief and daily life. You can find more about Rosemerry and her work at wordwoman.com You can find more about the the course that Erin mentions, Take Heart, Embodying the Great Turning, that she will be teaching with Leilani Navar, with Rosemerry as a guest teacher, along with Francis Weller, Cynthia Jurs, and Lydia Violet Harutoonian at embodimentmatters.com/live-with-erin-and-carl/

Join John Seed, a long-time Earth activist and pioneer of Experiential Deep Ecology, alongside Skye Cielita Flor, a passionate folk herbalist and plant medicine ritualist, as they discuss the importance of reconnecting with nature. They explore the philosophy of deep ecology, nurturing emotional connections with the Earth, and the challenges of parenting in today's world. The duo delves into the impact of economic systems on ecological advocacy and the transformative power of rituals and community in fostering deeper connections with the natural world.