
Embodiment Matters Podcast
Embodiment Matters is an ongoing, rich conversation about what it really means to be embodied, and why and how embodiment matters so much in our daily lives and in our world. Our guests include wise and insightful teachers from the realms of somatics, Buddhism, meditation, social justice, psychotherapy, movement arts, bodywork, martial arts, neuroscience, environmentalists, indigenous teachers, and more.
In our conversations, we explore a wide range of topics around waking up and being embodied, and offer guided practices to help return to your embodiment as a source of wisdom, guidance and intimacy with life.
Your hosts, Carl Rabke and Erin Geesaman Rabke, have been devoted to waking up and being embodied for the last 25 years. They have extensive training and practice in The Feldenkrais Method, Yoga & Yoga Therapy, Structural Integration, Embodied Life, Buddhist Meditation, Tai Chi, Focusing, Ayurveda, and more. They share a passion for sharing potent practices that support people in becoming more embodied, more mindful and aware, more rooted in liberating kindness, and more free in all ways; as well as more able to bring their unique gifts forth to benefit the world.
They live in Salt Lake City, and can be found at bodyhappy.com
Latest episodes

Mar 11, 2025 • 1h 26min
Men of Depth and Soul: A Conversation with Dr. Jaiya John and Alexandre Jodun
Greetings listener friends! We are excited to share this conversation with Dr. Jaiya John. This is the second episode in the Men of Depth and Soul series that Carl is hosting with our dear friend and colleague, Alexandre Jodun. Jaiya is an incredible poet, writer, teacher, and human being and the founder of Soul Water Rising press. as he writes on his website: "My lifelong calling and work is freedom from the sickness of supremacy and inferiority. Freedom from oppression. Freedom to live a beautiful life. Food, water, and shelter are nothing if the one being fed, watered, and sheltered is immersed in the profound suffering that is poverty of the soul. I am grateful to carry out the humanitarian work of feeding souls the bread and breath of Love, compassion, and hope. In an often dehumanizing world, Soul Water Rising is a global rehumanizing mission, stirring the soul to remember itself. We support the healing and freedom journeys of historically dehumanized populations and cultures. We honor womanhood and fatherhood. And we treat the sickness of racial and cultural supremacies wherever they exist." In our conversation, we move through so much terrain looking at how men are being called by the times. We unpack the notion of freedom, and what it means to seek freedom for all beings, we talk about systems top-down dominance, and the pervasive presence of what Jaiya calls the "superiority/inferiority virus." We speak of the sacredness or eros, and how few boys have models of how to be with this energy in a way that feeds life. So much goodness. We hope you enjoy the conversation, and please share it with any friends who might enjoy listening. You can find more about Jaiya and his work at https://jaiyajohn.com More about Alexandre https://www.ahealingbridge.com/holistic-psychotherapy-counselling And more about Carl and Erin at https://embodimentmatters.com

Jan 30, 2025 • 56min
Men of Depth and Soul: A Conversation with Francis Weller and Alexandre Jodun
In this conversation, we begin a new sub-series of the Embodiment Matters podcast, Men of Depth and Soul, where Carl and our dear friend and colleague, Alexandre Jodun will be hosting interviews around what is being asked of men in these times. We begin the series with our friend and mentor, Francis Weller. Francis is a psychotherapist, soul-activist, and author of The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief. Our conversation moves through many topics: men and grief, the relationship between power and love, the loneliness and isolation so many men feel, how we can bless each other and call out to each other's gifts, and so much more. On February 13th, Carl and Alexandre begin an online men's group, Men of Depth and Soul: Rooting into Sacred Activism. Francis Weller will be one of the guest elder/ teachers along with Pat McCabe, Woman Stands Shining. You can find out more about that course here, https://embodimentmatters.com/menofdepthandsoul/ You can find more information on Francis and his work at https://www.francisweller.net More on Pat McCabe https://www.patmccabe.net More on Alexandre at https://www.ahealingbridge.com

Jan 10, 2025 • 1h 13min
Open Me: A Conversation with Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer
We are so excited to share this podcast with the amazing poet and human, Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer. As Erin mentions in the intro, you might want to have some tissues handy, as we dive right into the deep end, and the conversation is filled with tenderness and beauty. In our conversation, Rosemerry reads some of her gorgeous poems, and we move through many rich themes including grief and gratitude, ways to be with someone who is grieving, holding paradox and the stretch of the human heart, and being opened by life. The conversation has the same wide range of this experience of being human as does Rosemerry’s writing. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer lives with her husband and daughter in Placerville, Colorado, on the banks of the wild and undammed San Miguel River. She served as San Miguel County’s first poet laureate (2007-2011) and as Western Slope Poet Laureate (2015-2017) and was a finalist for Colorado Poet Laureate in 2019. She performs as a storyteller, including shows in Aspen at the Wheeler Opera House, at the Taos Storytelling Festival, Page Storytelling Festival and the National Storytelling Festival in Jonesborough, TN. Her TEDx talk explores changing our outdated metaphors. For five years, she performed in the Telluride Literary Burlesque. She has been writing a poem a day since 2006, posting them since 2011 on her blog, A Hundred Falling Veils. In 2023, her poems can be heard daily on the Ritual app, The Poetic Path. Favorite themes include parenting, gardening, ecology, love, science, thriving/failure, grief and daily life. You can find more about Rosemerry and her work at wordwoman.com You can find more about the the course that Erin mentions, Take Heart, Embodying the Great Turning, that she will be teaching with Leilani Navar, with Rosemerry as a guest teacher, along with Francis Weller, Cynthia Jurs, and Lydia Violet Harutoonian at embodimentmatters.com/live-with-erin-and-carl/

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Jan 10, 2025 • 1h 18min
Experiential Deep Ecology: A Conversation with John Seed And Skye Cielita Flor
Join John Seed, a long-time Earth activist and pioneer of Experiential Deep Ecology, alongside Skye Cielita Flor, a passionate folk herbalist and plant medicine ritualist, as they discuss the importance of reconnecting with nature. They explore the philosophy of deep ecology, nurturing emotional connections with the Earth, and the challenges of parenting in today's world. The duo delves into the impact of economic systems on ecological advocacy and the transformative power of rituals and community in fostering deeper connections with the natural world.

Nov 20, 2024 • 1h 6min
Summoned by the Earth: A Conversation with Cynthia Jurs
In this conversation, we speak with our friend and teacher, Cynthia Jurs, along with our dear friend and cohost, Leilani Navar, of The Turning Season Podcast. Cynthia recently published Summoned by the Earth: Becoming a Holy Vessel for Healing our World, which is a wisdom book for our times. As both of us have shared, this book is an extraordinary weaving of spiritual biography, riveting travel adventures, essential Dharma instructions, sacred activism, deep ecology, indigenous wisdom, and an overall beautiful story of a human being dedicating her life to liberation, and caring for this living Earth in these mythic times in which we live. Our conversation moves through many terrains including working with difficult times, the balance of prayer and activism, dismantling systems of domination, keeping our fingernails dirty with the work and practices of liberation, and so much more. In the beginning of the conversaiton, Erin mentions the gathering of the International Council of 13 Indigenous Grandmothers, and you can find information on that here. We hope you enjoy, and we highly recommend reading Cynthia's book (or listening, as she reads it in her own voice.) To find our more about the class, Take Heart: Embodying the Great Turning, that Erin and Leilani are teaching in January, 2025 with guest teachers, Cynthia Jurs, Francis Weller, Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer and Lydia Violet Harutoonian you can click here. You can find out more about Cynthia's Gaia Mandala practice here and her Earth Treasure Vase project here. And you can find out more about Leilani Navar and the Turning Season Podcast here

Nov 1, 2024 • 1h 3min
Beauty as Ballast, Grief as Guide, Body as Sacred Land: A Conversation with Leilani Navar and Erin Geesaman Rabke
Beauty as Ballast, Grief as Guide, Body as Sacred Land In this conversation between dear friends Erin of Embodiment Matters & Leilani Navar of Turning Season https://turningseason.com/ we dive into rich topics which we’ll be exploring in some upcoming online offerings. Beauty as Ballast, Grief as Guide, and Body as Sacred Land. We also delve into the 5 Vows of the Great turning as articulated by Joanna Macy (see below.) To find out more about our 3-Sunday series, click here. https://embodimentmatters.com/take-heart-3-sundays-of-encouragement-for-weary-earth-lovers/ Soon the January course Take Heart: Embodying the Great Turning, with special guest teachers Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer https://ahundredfallingveils.com/, Cynthia Jurs, https://earthtreasurevase.org/about-us/founder/ Francis Weller https://www.francisweller.net/, and Lydia Violet Hartoonian https://schoolforthegreatturning.com/, will be listed on our events page. Be sure to sign up for our newsletter to stay tuned to this and future offerings. https://embodimentmatters.com/live-with-erin-and-carl/ Five Vows of the Great Turning I vow to myself and to each of you to commit myself daily to the healing of our world and the welfare of all beings. I vow to myself and to each of you to live on Earth more lightly and less violently in the food, products, and energy I consume. I vow to myself and to each of you to draw strength and guidance from the living Earth, the ancestors, the future beings, and our siblings of all species. I vow to myself and to each of you to support you in your work for the world, and to ask for help when I need it. I vow to myself and to each of you to pursue a daily practice that clarifies my mind, strengthens my heart, and supports me in observing these vows.

Aug 29, 2024 • 1h 14min
Soul Water Rising: A Conversation with Dr. Jaiya John
In this conversation/ transmission we were so honored to hear Dr. Jaiya John pour forth from the depths of his heart and soul in a way that can’t help but touch your own. We were blessed to hear from Jaiya about his background and how he went from being shy and voiceless to a fully-dilated voice for Love. We were blessed to hear him read passages from several of his extraordinary books including Freedom: Medicine Words for your Brave Revolution; All These Rivers and You Chose Love; and Dear Artist: A Love Letter. Carl and I also each read a short excerpt from his forthcoming book(s) We Birth Freedom at Dawn. We are so grateful for his generosity of spirit, his gorgeous writings, and his presence in our lives. His love and courage are contagious. Our wish is that all who listen become infected and go on to spread this love and courage in your own communities. What an honor to share a conversation with the extraordinary soul, poet, teacher, writer, Dr. Jaiya John. Please find more about him, his books, his poetry gatherings, his newsletter, his Instagram and more at www.jaiyajohn.com Toward the end of our conversation, Jaiya mentions our dear heart-friend Alexandre Jodun of ahealingbridge.com If you loved this podcast, please share it far and wide!

May 15, 2024 • 1h 21min
Musical By Nature: A Conversation With Zuza Gonçalves
Dear friends, It is such a pleasure to share this conversation with Zuza Gonçalves. I met Zuza at the Bobby McFerrin Circlesongs School, and was so moved by his presence, his kindness, the way he moved around the room, and how he led us in movement, song and body-percussion. It felt to me like original human music. Zuza has been exploring alternative ways to collective music making for more than 20 years, integrating vocal improvisation, body percussion, movement, dialogue, cooperative practices and collaborative methodologies to promote experiences where music and human connection are interconnected and feed off each other. Born and raised in São Paulo, Brazil, Zuza has a bachelor’s degree in Music (composing and conducting) and a graduate degree in the Pedagogy of Cooperation. He is the co-creator of Música do Círculo, part of the faculty at Bobby McFerrin's Circlesongs School, at IBMF (Ghana edition) and travels internationally for festivals and workshops on Música do Circulo. In our conversation, we speak about vocal improvisation as ancestral practice, and how we are all musical by nature. We speak about the challenges that arise when we outsource our musicality to a small number of perfomers, and don't experience ourselves as being a part of music being made in daily life. We also explore the value of play and improvisation, an how essential these qualities are for learning, and meeting challenging times, and how rarely modern adults get to experience play and improvisation. Zuza also guides us all in a wonderful improv practice to sing and play along with. To find our more about Música do Círculo and the upcoming retreats and trainings you can visit https://www.musicadocirculo.com To find out more about the Circlesongs School you can visit https://circlesongs.com Also Zuza mentions The Well, a global vocal improvisation network https://thewellvocal.com And here are links to other circlesongs/ vocal improv resources: http://www.judivinar.com https://www.rhiannonmusic.com https://gaelaubrit.com http://www.joeyblake.com https://www.destaniwolf.com https://www.christianekaram.com http://www.rizumik.com/ https://www.jaospina.com https://www.varijashree.com https://www.goussycelestin.com/works https://vocaltoning.net

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Mar 17, 2024 • 51min
Living a Soulful Life: A Conversation with Holly Truhlar and Alexandre Jodun
In a captivating conversation, grief therapist Holly Truhlar and holistic psychotherapist Alexandre Jodun delve into the art of living a soulful life. They explore the importance of community and connection, ancestral wisdom, and the balance of grief and joy in healing. Holly shares insights from her work with collective memories and nature, while Alexandre emphasizes the transformative power of rituals. Together, they highlight the shift from individualism to collective belonging, encouraging listeners to embrace their authenticity and foster meaningful relationships.

Jan 16, 2024 • 1h 9min
Watering the Seeds of Soul: A Conversation with Holly Truhlar and Erin Geesaman Rabke
Holly Truhlar, a specialist in grief work blending soul and somatics, joins Erin Geesaman Rabke, who emphasizes anti-oppression and biocultural healing. They discuss the Six Gates of Grief, exploring how loss is intertwined with love, community, and the environment. Their conversation highlights the need for safe spaces in grief work, the communal nature of rituals, and the importance of storytelling. The hosts share their insights on navigating sorrow as a collective journey, encouraging listeners to embrace vulnerability and grow through connection.
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