

What Works
Tara McMullin
Work is central to the human experience. It helps us shape our identities, care for those we love, and contribute to our communities. Work can be a source of power and a catalyst for change. Unfortunately, that's not how most of us experience work—even those who work for themselves. Our labor and creative spirit are used to enrich others and maintain the status quo. It's time for an intervention. What Works is a show about rethinking work, business, and leadership for the 21st-century economy. Host Tara McMullin covers money, management, culture, media, philosophy, and more to figure out what's working (and what's not) today. Tara offers a distinctly interdisciplinary approach to deep-dive analysis of how we work and how work shapes us.
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Jan 14, 2020 • 41min
EP 259: Managing The Creative Process With Brooklyn Book Doctor Founder Joelle Hann
Joelle Hann, founder of Brooklyn Book Doctor, shares insights on managing the creative process for authors. She discusses the importance of considering the human element in book writing projects and tools she uses to track progress. Learn how the creative process can be manageable and successful with the right approach.

Jan 7, 2020 • 56min
EP 258: Managing Multi-Layer Projects With Kaye Publicity Founder Dana Kaye
The Nitty-Gritty:
* How Kaye Publicity founder Dana Kaye plans and manages multi-layer book publicity projects* The tools she uses to track progress, run reports, and organize the information that goes into every project* How her team members take ownership of different areas of each project* Why she’s learning to take a more top-level role in each project they manage
One of my most important personal commitments from last year was to “work the system.”
In other words, I wanted to stop constantly reinventing the wheel, breaking things that weren’t broken, and looking for new novel things to add to my plate.
I wanted to take the systems that we had as a company and work them. No more pretending that I didn’t have to follow the procedure or document my work just because I was the boss. No more excuses for why my tasks weren’t getting checked off or the process wasn’t getting completed.
Just working the systems we had, making them better, and following through until every last item was crossed off the list.
By and large, I was pretty successful! I confirmed this with my team to make sure I wasn’t blowing smoke up my own butt.
What I’ve discovered as I’ve embraced working the system is that—against all odds—I actually love it. In fact, now that I’ve been working the systems for a year, I see systems everywhere. I see how they make things better, how they make me better.
And I relish getting those set up and figuring out how they can become more effective.
Since I’ve decided to finally embrace not only having systems in my business but actually using them myself, I thought it would be fun to kick off the new year at What Works by focusing on project management.
In other words, what does it take to make sure that the projects we start are projects we can finish?
And how do different kinds of projects take on different forms as we use tools to track and complete them? And… how do different kinds of business owners approach managing projects differently?
This month, we’re going to take a look at how a book coach manages the creative process for her clients. We’ll examine why communication and expectation is so important in complex projects with an on-demand CFO and cashflow analyst. And we’ll find out how a conference planner sees his events from vision to final invoice paid.
Plus, we’ve also asked a panel of small business owners to share the tools they use to manage their projects and why they love them. You’ll hear about software like ClickUp, Asana, Trello, and Notion so you can make a more informed decision about what will work for you.
But today, we’re starting with a look at managing massive multi-layer projects.
Dana Kaye is the founder of Kaye Publicity, a publicity agency specializing in helping authors get media coverage for their books. As you’ll hear, publicity projects aren’t exactly linear. It’s not just a list of tasks that need to be completed step by step.
There’s traditional media to go after. There are influencers to reach out to. There is content the team needs from authors and there are conversations that need to be had with the publisher.
Each type of media is another layer in the project. Each layer is owned by a different member of the team.
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Dec 24, 2019 • 1h 3min
EP 257: End-Of-Year Mailbag Episode With Tara McMullin
We’ve had a helluva year here at What Works. We’ve talked to over 100 small business owners, published more than 80 episodes, and tackled 12 different themes this year.
What Works is special because we focus on the people who are making their businesses work every single day.
We believe we all have a lot to learn from each other—and the more honest & transparent we are about how our marketing, operations, tools, product development, or sales processes work, the better chance we all have for success.
On this episode, it’s no different—except, instead of me being the one asking the questions, you are!
Here’s what we covered:
* 2:20 What are the best ways to grow your organic reach on social media today?* 12:48 What kind of structure have you used for in-person strategy intensives?* 19:31 What’s working for you right now as you deal with capacity challenges in a 1:1 service business?* 28:46 What trends do you see coming in 2020?* 36:08 How did you come up with the name for YellowHouse.Media?* 38:24 What are your biggest business lessons from 2019? What marketing will you continue in 2020 and what will you stop doing?* 49:58 How have you leveraged the symbiotic relationship between your podcast and your community?* 55:21 Still running Facebook/Instagram ads in 2020?* 56:43 Who manages your finances and payroll? We use Gusto and recommend you do, too (we receive a small commission when you sign up)!* 57:49 What has been your biggest business challenge in 2019?
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Dec 17, 2019 • 40min
EP 256: Discovering What You Need From Your Business With BrainSpace Optimized Founder Hailey Thomas
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Dec 12, 2019 • 44min
EP 255: Taking Stock & Setting New Intentions With Podcasting Advocate Elsie Escobar
The Nitty-Gritty:
* Why podcast advocate Elsie Escobar created a personal process for looking back over the year and setting her intentions for the year to come* How setting clear boundaries helps her to stay on top of her commitments and execution* The tools she uses to look back over the past year and how they give her a fresh perspective on what she’s experienced
Do you know what you did this year?
Do you know how many blog posts you published? How many emails you sent out? How many customers bought your product?
Have you kept track of the accolades that have come your way? Or the speeches you’ve delivered? Or the interviews you’ve done?
When the year is hurtling toward a close, it’s easy to lose track of everything you’ve accomplished already. All you can see in front of you is a to-do list that absolutely must get done before you can relax and enjoy the holiday cookie spread.
But that’s precisely why taking a look back is key.
This month, we’re examining how we can take better care of ourselves as small business owners.
We’re putting aside cliche self-care tips and digging into how entrepreneurs actually engineer their routines, procedures, and operations to care for themselves.
This week, my guest is Elsie Escobar. Elsie is the co-host of LibSyn’s podcast The Feed as well as their community manager. She’s also the co-host of She Podcasts, a podcast and community of over 14,000 women podcasters. Her mission is to help more people use their voice and make an impact through the craft of podcasting.
With everything she has going on, it would be easy for Elsie to forget what she’s accomplished in a year.
It would be easy to dismiss the small wins and important insights she’s experienced.
That’s why Elsie has developed a personal process of looking back, assessing her opportunities, setting intentions for the new year.
Elsie and I talk about the energy of the end of the year—and how it can contribute to feeling like we need to catch up no matter how much we’ve achieved. We also talk about the experience that catalyzed her will to look back and set intentions, as well as how she’s trained herself to recognize her true capacity.
Now, let’s find out what works for Elsie Escobar!
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Dec 10, 2019 • 45min
EP 254: Transforming Your Business Model With Growth & Impact Strategist Toi Smith
The Nitty-Gritty:
* Why Toi Smith made the shift from virtual assistant to online business manager to growth & impact strategist* How she reassessed the true value behind what she was offering her clients so she could rework her business model* What eliminating exploitative business practices from her own model has taught her about creating value* How her rates, working hours, and client load is different now that she’s built a business that helps her take care of herself
Business is an experiment.
You try something, you get a result, you learn. Then you try something else.
Little by little, the learning adds up to a business that works.
But often, our learning leads us down a path that earns some money and keeps us busy but doesn’t really let us thrive.
Discovering “what works” can feel like a dead end.
In other words…
…success can make you feel stuck.
You’re your own boss. You’ve got good clients. You have plenty of work to do.
By many accounts, you’re successful.
So it can be really tempting to just make do with what you’ve got—even if it is slowly and relentlessly grinding you down.
So what happens when “what works” is actually grinding you down and making it hard to take care of yourself?
That’s the question we’re exploring today.
It’s a question I’ve asked myself several times during the course of my own business.
There have been plenty of times when what’s working in some ways just wasn’t working for me as a human being. There have been times when what works has turned into what worked—and I needed to rethink my business in a way that would contribute more to my own well-being.
Today’s guest is Toi Smith—a growth & impact strategist who has wrestled with this same question.
Toi and I talk about how her identity and business model has shifted from virtual assistant to online business manager to strategist and why each pivot was necessary. We also talk about the ups and downs of making these changes and the impact each shift has had on her rates, working hours, and client load.
Pay close attention to how Toi talks about her mindset shift away from thinking of her work as labor and into thinking of it as thought partnership and leadership.
She’s had to dismantle and reassemble the way she thinks about how she and her business creates value in order to realize the full potential of her own entrepreneurship.
Now, let’s find out What Works for Toi Smith!
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* Your website* Your content* Your courses* Your community* Your events online and in real life* And charge for them…all while building YOUR brand.
Visit mightynetworks.com to see more examples of brands bringing people together and taking their businesses to the next level.
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Dec 3, 2019 • 47min
EP 253: Discovering The Joy of Missing Out With Inkwell Press Founder Tonya Dalton
The Nitty-Gritty:
* How The Joy Of Missing Out author Tonya Dalton discovered the stories and self-talk that were keeping her from really enjoying life and celebrating her success* Why identifying the litmus tests she put herself through helped her determine what she really wanted out of life and business* How she reflects on the good, the bad, and the ugly to keep her stories and self-talk in check* How Tonya rewrites her stories so her self-talk supports her and the life she wants to lead
Let’s talk about self-talk.
Self-talk is that voice inside your head that narrates everything happening around you.
Sometimes self-talk pumps you up—like after you nail a meeting with a new client and you remind yourself what a boss you are.
Sometimes self-talk cuts you down—like when you realize you’ve made a mistake and you tell yourself you’re such a screw-up.
I think we’re all pretty familiar with how our inner critics or inner cheerleaders can impact the way we feel or act at this point.
What you might not be so familiar with is how your self-talk can reinforce stories about how the world works… stories that just don’t hold up to scrutiny.
This month on What Works, we’re examining taking care of ourselves with our businesses. That doesn’t just mean taking time for a Hawaiian vacation with all those sweet airline miles you’ve earned on your business credit card. Nor does it mean treating yourself to a massage, a meal delivery, or a first class upgrade because you “deserve it.”
Taking care of yourself with your business means examining how you work—and how the business works for you—from the ground up.
Today, we’re going to look closely at a key component of how you make decisions for your business—your self-talk—and how your self-talk contributes to the 21st century phenomenal of FOMO.
Specifically, we’re going to look at the stories we tell ourselves and how they convince us to do more, push harder, and never rest for fear of missing out.
Next week, we’ll examine how your business model and identity as a service provider impacts how you run your business with growth strategist Toi Smith.
You’ll also hear from podcaster Elsie Escobar about how she audits her growth and accomplishments over the course of the year and sets intentions for the year to come.
Then, you’ll hear from Hailey Thomas about how a sudden loss led her to rethinking the way her business operates and how it impacts her life.
Alright, back to self-talk and the fear of missing out.
A bunch of the stories we tell ourselves revolve around what it takes to be a good business owner.
And these stories make it really difficult to take good care of ourselves.
Your story might be that a good business owners is always available for their clients—so the first thing you do in the morning and the last thing you do at night is check your email.
Or, you might tell yourself that a good business owner always completes their to-do list—and you beat yourself up when you don’t.
Or, you might tell yourself that a good business owner is on all the social media platforms—so you work your tail off to be o...
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Nov 26, 2019 • 47min
EP 252: Making New Clients Feel At Home With SmartStart Founder Linda Lopeke
The Nitty-Gritty:
* Why SmartStart founder Linda Lopeke has every potential client complete a rigorous application* How she sets expectations clearly from the get-go so that every client has the best chance of getting results* What inspired her approach to business systems and client experience* How she makes brand-new clients feel at ease, step-by-step
Starting my working life as a retail worker, I always associated “customer service” with what you do when there’s a problem.
A customer needs to make a return. They have a question about this week’s sale. They need to report a problem with the bathroom.
Despite years and years of training on customer service, no one ever said to me: customer service starts before the customer even walks in the door.
Customer service is having the right product on display. It’s having the carpet freshly vacuumed. It’s having the music at the right level, playing the right songs.
Do customer service right, right from the beginning, and you dramatically reduce the number of problems you encounter during the day.
I didn’t learn that lesson until I started my own business—and really many years after.
For our final episode on our series on designing exceptional customer experiences, I spoke with Linda Lopeke, the founder of SmartStart.
Linda knows that customer service starts long before the first purchase is ever made.
She’s designed her entire client on-boarding system to set clear expectations, ensure fit, and make new clients feel at ease. Instead of crossing her fingers and hoping she doesn’t run into customer service problems, Linda has crafted a process elevates her client experience.
I talked with Linda about the lengthy application process she uses, why she interviews every prospect before they can work with her, and how she brings on a new client step-by-step.
Play close attention to all the opportunities Linda has to set expectations throughout the process and reduce the friction of doing the work.
Now, let’s find out what works for Linda Lopeke!
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* Your website* Your content* Your courses* Your community* Your events online and in real life* And charge for them…all while building YOUR brand.
Visit mightynetworks.com to see more examples of brands bringing people together and taking their businesses to the next level.
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Nov 21, 2019 • 35min
EP 251: Teaching Customers How To Use Your Product One At A Time With Tyme Iron Creator Jacynda Smith
The Nitty-Gritty:
* How Tyme founder Jacynda Smith manages 100-200 individual consultations with new customers each week* Why these personalized consultations help Tyme delight 90% of frustrated customers* How virtual styling sessions create a feedback loop that helps Tyme get better & better* What Tyme is doing to leverage the success they’ve had with personalized virtual styling sessions
“Do things that don’t scale.”
That’s the advice that Paul Graham, co-founder at startup accelerator Y Combinator, commonly gives to founders.
“Do things that don’t scale” just happens to sound like the opposite of what many digital small business owners fret about when they exclaim, “but that doesn’t scale!”
Here’s the thing: if we spend all our time worrying about what does and doesn’t scale, we don’t take the very necessary steps to get to the place where scaling is even an option.
Today, we’re examining customer service that might not scale but has helped the company create massive growth.
Before we get there, let’s take a closer look at this idea of doing things that don’t scale.
In Graham’s article on the concept, he outlines how a number of today’s huge companies did things that didn’t scale to build their footprint.
First, companies like Stripe, Airbnb, and even Facebook recruited new customers by hand. The Stripe founders personally set up new users and installed the software on their websites. The Airbnb founders literally went door to door. Facebook famously went from campus to campus signing up new users.
Second, founders make deliberate choices to take small actions that build the foundation for their ability to scale up. Graham writes, “the right things often seem both laborious and inconsequential at the time.” The “right things” were actions like the Airbnb founders taking professional photographs of early home listings or Steve Jobs prioritizing the quality of execution of his product from fonts to packaging.
Finally, Graham talks about how many successful companies have been built by “over-engaging” with a small group of core users in the beginning. The founders reach out, have one-on-one conversations, and find out how the product is meeting (or not meeting) the user’s needs. It creates a feedback loop that helps the product get better and the company better understand the customer.
And that leads us to today’s conversation with Jacynda Smith, the creator of the Tyme Iron.
The Tyme Iron is a unique hairstyling tool that’s meant to replace both your flat iron and your curling iron so you can create a variety of styles for medium-length to long hair.
When you look at it, you get it.
But when you use it? Well, that can be a different story.
Faced with questions and even some frustration from new users, Jacynda made an interesting choice. She decided to FaceTime her customers, one at a time, and walk them through the process of creating the style they wanted to create with their new Tyme Iron.
In other words, Jacynda made the choice to do something that doesn’t scale.
But instead of abandoning that choice as the company grew, she doubled down.
As you’ll hear, the company now employs 5 full-time virtual stylist...
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Nov 19, 2019 • 43min
EP 250: Creating Wildly Fun Client Experiences With Allie LeFevere
The Nitty-Gritty:
* Why Obedient Agency co-founder Allie LeFevere believes so strongly in the power of humor to build a brand and market a product* How the agency incorporates humor into every touchpoint of their client experiences* The brainstorming techniques they use to find surprising & delightful marketing ideas* Why humor has even made its way into their hiring process
The first time I heard the phrase, “Surprise & delight…”
…I was being trained on Starbucks & Seattle’s Best Coffee company culture.
Our trainer—who was excellent—told us that we were empowered to look for little ways to surprise and delight our guests. Whether that was delivered a freshly brewed cup of coffee to the table they were sitting at or simply taking the time to learn our regulars’ names, the expectation was set that we would go above & beyond.
The “surprise & delight” mantra has stuck with me over years of running my own company.
I’m not as good with stylish gifts or personal notes the way some business owners are. But I am very good at surprising & delighting our clients by taking extra time to answer questions, providing extra resources, or just paying for coffee when we meet up.
It doesn’t take much for an experience to be memorable.
And building a brand around memorable, surprising, and delightful experiences? Well, that’s a recipe for success.
This week, we’re taking a look at a very particular way to surprise and delight your customers—with humor.
Allie LeFevere is the co-founder of Obedient Agency—a full-service humor marketing agency.
Truly, the first time I landed on their website, I can describe my experience as nothing less than surprised and delighted. It’s not funny for funny’s sake—it’s humorous for clarity’s sake. Every piece of it serves to define who they are, what they do, and who they do it for in the most unique ways possible.
I had to know how this brilliant branding & positioning functioned on the inside. Had they designed equally surprising & delighting client experiences?
Yes, of course they have.
Allie and I talk about how that website got built—which is a great look at the brainstorming process they use throughout the agency. We also chat about how they infuse humor into every touchpoint they have with a client, how they manage each client touchpoint, and why client fit is such an important piece of the puzzle.
Now, let’s find out what works for Allie LeFevere!
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* Your website* Your content* Your courses* Your community* Your events online and in real life* And charge for them…all while building YOUR brand.
Visit mightynetworks.com to see more examples of brands bringing people together and taking their businesses to the next level.
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