In this episode of Leaders in Living Rooms, Sean welcomes Johnson Bowie, lead pastor of Victory Church, to share his leadership journey. From stepping into the lead role during the chaos of 2020 to navigating staff transitions and fostering a culture of humility, Johnson offers candid insights on leadership, church transitions, and the weight of words in executive roles. Whether you’re a pastor in transition or leading a team, this conversation is packed with wisdom on faithfulness, leadership challenges, and staying mission-focused.Welcome to Episode 129 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKSSpiritual Leadership, by J. Oswald SandersA Hero’s Farewell, by Jeffrey Sonnenfeld@johnsonbowiehttps://victoryatl.com/sean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition, or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS JOHNSON BOWIE?Johnson Bowie is Senior Pastor of Victory Church, a thriving church with 4 campuses in the metro-Atlanta area and house churches around the globe. Victory Church is known for its diversity as it has grown to over 140 nationalities. Johnson and his wife, Summer, began attending Victory in 1998, came on staff in 2005, planted Victory’s first campus in 2010, and transitioned into the role of senior pastors in August of 2020. Johnson and Summer have two wonderful sons, Jeremiah and Isaac. Johnson is a graduate of the University of Georgia and a master’s degree from Wheaton College. He loves to jog, take walks with his wife, learn more about Jesus, and partake of the occasional Xbox binge!SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: Food For The Hungry. Combine your church's heart for the poor and Food for the Hungry’s global experience at fh.org/churches. 

In this episode, Sean sits down with Jason Mitchell, lead pastor of LCBC Church, to discuss his leadership journey, the challenges of succession, and the evolving role of the church in today's culture. Jason shares his personal faith story, the intentional process behind his transition to lead pastor, and the importance of emotionally mature leadership. He also highlights the current spiritual hunger in communities and LCBC’s focus on reaching Pennsylvania, investing in the next generation, and engaging in local and global initiatives.Welcome to Episode 128 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKSsean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition, or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS JASON MITCHELL?Jason is the Senior Pastor at LCBC (Lives Changed By Christ) Church. LCBC is a thriving church with 24 locations across Pennsylvania. Jason is passionate about keeping the church focused on the relentless pursuit of introducing more people to Jesus and together following him with their lives. He’s also the author of “No Easy Jesus: How the Most Difficult Choices Lead to the Greatest Life”.Jason and his wife Jenny have three kids and live in Manheim, Pennsylvania. Spend some time in the Mitchell house and you’ll find a lot of coffee, a lot of books, a full family calendar, and a whole lot of swag representing the University of Alabama Crimson Tide!SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: OneHope: OneHope’s mission is to reach every child and youth in the world with God’s Word through the global church. In 35 years of ministry OneHope has reached more than 2 billion young people with the Gospel. Learn how you and your church can get involved by visiting onehope.net/learnmore/.

Church leadership transitions are complex and require intentionality, humility, and a clear vision. For Adam and Diego Mesa, their transition was shaped by a long preparation period, a willingness to embrace change, and a commitment to mission over methods. They address leadership shifts that must be handled with care, clarity in roles and expectations, and the role of trust and humility. While challenges inevitably arise, a well-structured transition that prioritizes the church’s long-term health can lead to a lasting impact.Welcome to Episode 127 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKS@amesa@pastor_diegohttps://diegomesa.org/Beyond the Letter Podcasthttps://www.patria.church/sean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition, or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS ADAM MESA?Adam Mesa is a pastor, entrepreneur & creative consultant. Pastor Adam studied biblical studies and theology at Life Pacific University and the Masters University. As Lead Pastor, he helped expand and establish the culture of Patria, where he currently speaks to a congregation of 12,000 members. Being born and raised at Patria, Adam has a continued passion to make disciples of the next generation. Cultivating an atmosphere that all ages, ethnicities and backgrounds can find a relationship with Jesus Christ. Additionally, Pastor Adam also hosts a podcast called Beyond the Letter that empowers Christians to live their everyday life following Jesus and a culture that’s ever changing as well as hosts Beyond I Do, a marriage and relationship podcast with his wife, Ashlee. Pastor Adam and Ashlee live in Southern California with their two sons, Matthias and Thomas.WHO IS DIEGO MESA?Pastor Diego Mesa and his wife, Cindy, founded Abundant Living Family Church (ALFC) in 1994, starting with 12 people in their home. The church grew into a 30-acre campus in Rancho Cucamonga, now known as Patria Church, led by their son Adam and his wife, Ashlee. Diego and Cindy remain active as Founding Pastors.A former triathlete, Diego was diagnosed with stage 4 kidney cancer in 2008 and miraculously healed, inspiring his Health Initiative Revolution. He has authored multiple books, including How to Dream When You’re Told You’re Going to Die and 44 Habits to Hack Life. He also serves as a chaplain and board president at United Christian Academy. His ministry focuses on faith, health, and practical biblical teaching.SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: Food For The Hungry. Combine your church's heart for the poor and Food for the Hungry’s global experience at fh.org/churches.

Jim Sheppard, CEO of Generis and expert in church generosity, discusses the puzzling trend of rising attendance but stagnant giving within churches. He emphasizes that generosity should be viewed as a vital aspect of discipleship. Jim encourages church leaders to engage congregations on giving with clear communication and education, while highlighting the importance of diverse voices in financial discussions. He also argues for maintaining high standards in volunteer leadership and fostering a culture of generosity driven by faith rather than mere financial transactions.

Today, Sean welcomes Sandy Millar, a renowned figure in the Holy Trinity Brompton movement and the Alpha course. Sandy shares his remarkable journey from law to ministry, driven by transformative experiences with the Holy Spirit. He reflects on the foundation of the Alpha course, the rise of charismatic renewal within the Anglican Church, and the significance of humility and loyalty in leadership. Sandy underscores the essence of faith-led ministry, offering insights for pastors navigating challenges, fostering community, and leaning on God's overarching plan.Welcome to Episode 125 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKSAlpha Course Resources: Explore Alpha Coursesean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition. Or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our 2023 cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS SANDY MILLAR?Sandy Millar is married to Annette and they have four children and eight grandchildren. He practiced as a barrister for ten years before being ordained and served as a Curate at Holy Trinity Brompton in London under 2 vicars before changing places with the latter one. He was Vicar there for 20 years after that and worked closely with Nicky Gumbel on Alpha before moving to three parishes in North London. During that time he was consecrated as a Bishop in Uganda. He remains an Honorary Assistant Bishop in the Dioceses of London and St Edmundsbury. He is retired and they live in Suffolk.SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: Food For The Hungry. Combine your church's heart for the poor and Food for the Hungry’s global experience at fh.org/churches.

"The beauty of leadership is knowing when to embrace both change and continuity, molding the future while honoring the past." Meet Glenn Packiam, lead pastor at Rockharbor Church in Costa Mesa. In this episode, Glenn shares his journey as a lead pastor, his transition to Rockharbor, and his philosophy on leadership and vision casting. He reflects on the unique challenges of leading a church with a rich history while crafting its future identity. Glenn also discusses the weight of leadership, the importance of preaching with purpose, and the value of collaboration, vision, and unity in ministry.Welcome to Episode 124 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKSPre-order Glenn’s new book! whatsachristiananyway.comsean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition. Or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our 2023 cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS GLENN PACKIAM?Glenn Packiam is the Lead Pastor of Rockharbor Church in Costa Mesa, California. Glenn is the author of several books, including The Resilient Pastor, Blessed Broken Given, and the most recent title, co-authored with his wife, Holly, “The Intentional Year”. He earned a Doctorate in Theology and Ministry from Durham University, and is a Senior Fellow at Barna Group, a Visiting Fellow at St. John’s College at Durham University, and an ordained priest with the Anglican Church of North America. Glenn has written over 65 worship songs published with Integrity Music, including “Your Name", co-written with Paul Baloche. Glenn and Holly have four children and live in Orange County, California.

Jesse DeYoung, Executive Lead Pastor of Flatirons Church, dives into the tricky waters of organizational doubt. He reveals a five-stage model of doubt, illustrating how misalignment can lead to turmoil within teams. Jesse stresses the importance of emotional connections and trust, using personal stories to enhance team dynamics. He contrasts behaviors of quiet quitters and disruptors, offering strategies for leaders to foster harmony. With insights drawn from his vast ministry experience, he champions a cohesive culture that can weather challenges.

“The moment you allow your margin to be given away is the precise moment your church will ask more from you, and you won’t have anything left to give them.” If you’re just hanging on until your next sabbatical, you might be missing the point. True rest isn’t something you find on vacation—it’s something you build into your daily, weekly, and yearly rhythms. In this episode, Sean explores how to reset your work/rest cycle with practical steps: admit things aren’t working, evaluate expectations in your role, and establish sustainable rhythms. From setting clear job tasks to planning annual retreats, these strategies will help you create a life where rest isn’t just a distant hope but a regular reality.Welcome to Episode 122 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKSsean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition. Or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our 2023 cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS SEAN MORGAN?Sean started out in ministry serving in a San Francisco area church plant as their Executive Pastor.  He went on to help coach and consult with church leaders across the country and eventually founded The Ascent Leader, a first-of-its-kind organization focusing on relational leadership development for local church pastors. He also hosts the Leaders In Living Rooms podcast. Sean recently retired from a 26-year career as a KC-10 pilot in the US Air Force Reserve. His favorite titles are “Stacy’s husband” and “Kaylee and Ayden’s dad.”SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: Food For The Hungry. Combine your church's heart for the poor and Food for the Hungry’s global experience at fh.org/churches.  

“Sometimes we go way beyond what God wants us to do. And that's what leads to burnout…It's working beyond where God wants you to work, where now it's human effort, not His effort in you.” Meet Filipe Santos, Lead Pastor of Echo.Church. In today’s episode, Filipe opens up about the initial fear of taking on leadership, the spiritual and emotional challenges of stepping into Andy Wood’s shoes, and how his Enneagram 2 wiring shaped his collaborative leadership style. From reshaping his identity as a leader to focusing on spiritual health, Filipe provides a transparent look at the personal and professional growth that has guided him through this significant transition.Welcome to Episode 121 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKSSoul Care by Wellspring – The spiritual direction program that transformed Filipe's approach to ministry.Becoming a King by Morgan Snyder https://www.echo.church/@filipesantossean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition. Or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our 2023 cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS FILIPE SANTOS?Filipe Santos is the Lead Pastor of Echo.Church, a multi-site church in the San Francisco Bay Area. He is passionate about empowering leaders, raising up the next generation, and uniting churches together for the sake of Kingdom expansion. He has been married to his wife Mandy for 21 years and they have five children.SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: Food For The Hungry. Combine your church's heart for the poor and Food for the Hungry’s global experience at fh.org/churches.

In this interview, Tara Beth Leach shares her journey as a senior pastor, her calling to ministry, and the unique challenges she encountered. After an 11-year tenure at other churches, she returned to Good Shepherd, where she implemented a significant cultural shift to address unhealthy staff dynamics. Leach emphasizes the importance of casting a hopeful vision, maintaining accountability, and balancing work with personal restoration through hobbies and family support. Welcome to Episode 120 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan. EPISODE LINKStarabethleach.com@tarabeth82The Pastor’s Table podcasthttps://gshepchurch.org/sean@theascentleader.orgtheascentleader.orgIf you’re a leader approaching a succession or transition. Or maybe you’re a few years in and beginning to see how complex transitions leadership is… go to The Art of Pastoral Succession and check out my brand new course in partnership with Carey Nieuwhof. Are you in Transition or have one on the horizon? Check out our 2023 cohorts and get connected with us at: https://theascentleader.org/cohorts/ WHO IS TARA BETH LEACH?Tara Beth Leach is a pastor, preacher of the Word, and writer. She speaks widely at conferences, retreats, and universities across the country on Women in Ministry, Church Leadership, and the call to be a Radiant Witness. She is the Senior Pastor at Good Shepherd Church in Naperville, IL and previously served at Christ Church in Oakbrook and as Senior Pastor of First Church of the Nazarene of Pasadena (”PazNaz”) in SoCal. She is a graduate of Olivet Nazarene University and Northern Theological Seminary and has authored three books, including Emboldened and Radiant Church. Tara Beth is the co-founder of Propel Ecclesia and is also the co-host of The Pastors Table podcast. She has two beautiful and rambunctious sons and has been married to the love of her life, Jeff, since 2006.SPONSORS & PARTNERSThanks to our sponsor: OneHope: OneHope’s mission is to reach every child and youth in the world with God’s Word through the global church. In 35 years of ministry OneHope has reached more than 2 billion young people with the Gospel. Learn how you and your church can get involved by visiting onehope.net/learnmore/.